U.S agreed to give 20 T-37 Aircrafts

[Ahassan]

k-8 and t-37 are totally diffferent training aircrafts, person with height of 6ft can seated inside k-8,so he is going to take his training in k-8 not t-37,where as t-37 are used for pilots with short height........

 

[ejaz007]

these are probably T-37B/C standard. i doubt if they can be used for COIN ops. the armed version is the A-37B/C. these 20 have day/night flying capability.

My guess is these are T-37C. If this is the case then they do have limited attack capability.

 

[Nomi929]

My guess is these are T-37C. If this is the case then they do have limited attack capability.

No way pakistan gonna use them for attack purposes!!!

 

[araz]

U.S airforce retired these birds recently in April 2008, so they are selling it to PAF, rather than sending them to junkyard

As per the report, they are to be given to Pakistan free of charge, with Pakistan only paying for their transportation.
Araz

 

[Neo]

Correct, they're coming under EDA programme and will be used for spares.

 

[Nomi929]

Correct, they're coming under EDA programme and will be used for spares.

I think these retired U.S birds will be in much better shape than PAF T-37.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Some background info about the efforts involved in acquiring the T37's as well as the release of funds for upgrading the F-16's.

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US to provide 30 trainer jets to PAF​

Thursday, August 21, 2008

By Sami Ibrahim

WASHINGTON DC: The Bush administration has agreed to provide 20 T-37 trainer planes to the Pakistan Air Force. These twin-engine jets are expected to be handed over to Pakistan by the end of this year.

These planes will be used for giving training to undergraduate pilots, undergraduate navigator and tactical navigator students in fundamentals of aircraft handling, and instrument, formation and night flying. Pakistan embassy officials confirmed here that a request from the Pakistani government to get these planes was pending before the Bush administration for some time. However, hectic consultations were made during the last couple of weeks by officials of the Pakistan Air Force and the US military to address the issue of modernising the Pakistani forces, particularly the PAF.

A State Department official, who was part of the negotiation between the US and Pakistani authorities, told this correspondent that impressive presentations by Pakistani officials, in which facts coupled with convincing arguments about importance of future rule of the Pakistan Air Force in combating terrorism, really helped the things move in the US capital.

It was the argument, the official added, which first compelled the US Congress to release $116 million out of $226 million for the up-grading of those F-16 planes which were to be used by the Pakistan Air Force and now the Bush administration has informed Pakistan's ambassador Husain Haqqani that the US will provide 20 T-37 trainer planes to Pakistan.

Currently, Pakistani officials here are working to convince members of the US Congress to get released remaining $110 million for upgrading of F-16 planes and, according to some US Congressional sources, it is very likely that eventually this amount will be released. But the dilemma of Pakistani officials is that the stance which suits them to get modern equipment for Pakistani forces is unpopular among Pakistani people.

Not only this, the statements of Pakistani politicians which are often against any military operation in Fata, are also making the task of Pakistani diplomats very difficult. A Pakistan embassy official said on condition of anonymity that "to convince members of the US Congress that Pakistan needed up-gradation of F-16 planes we had to present how many times these planes were used to either target terrorists or flown out to track movements of the insurgents in Fata and areas adjacent to Pak-Afghan border". But politicians, most of the time, issue statements to appease only their constituents and ignore national interests.

US to provide 30 trainer jets to PAF

 

[General Fujita]

Considering quite a few of pakistan's T-37 birds have been lost in crashes over the years, we should welcome the acqusition of them, especially if they are free. Im sure their air frame is fairly young or i dont think pakistan would have acquired them.

 

[Contrarian]

Does Pakistan use T-37 for basic training. Like in IAF, there are three phases of training
1-HPT 32-Basic Training
2-Kiran-Middle Level Training
3.Advanced Training-There was nothing in this category for a couple of decades. IAF pilots jumped from 2nd to 4th level.
4.MiG 21

In the current pilot overhaul the phases would be as follows:
1.Proposed trainer made by HAL
2.IJT(Intermediate Jet Trainer)-HAL
3.Hawk AJT(Advanced Jet Trainer)-BAe Systems
4.Any squdron they are posted in, that squandrons trainer.

 

[fatman17]

Does Pakistan use T-37 for basic training. Like in IAF, there are three phases of training
1-HPT 32-Basic Training
2-Kiran-Middle Level Training
3.Advanced Training-There was nothing in this category for a couple of decades. IAF pilots jumped from 2nd to 4th level.
4.MiG 21

In the current pilot overhaul the phases would be as follows:
1.Proposed trainer made by HAL
2.IJT(Intermediate Jet Trainer)-HAL
3.Hawk AJT(Advanced Jet Trainer)-BAe Systems
4.Any squdron they are posted in, that squandrons trainer.

PAF
1. basic flying training - Mushak-17 / Super Mushak (Saab Supporter MFI-17)
2. basic jet training - T-37B/C / Karakoram K-8.

1 and 2 are conducted at PAF Academy Risalpur.

3. OCU / advanced jet training - at Mianwali (cradle of jet fighter pilots). chinese (FT-5 / FT-7P) / french (Mirage III and V) / american systems (F-16B)

hoped to have answered your questions.

 

[fatman17]

US approves delivery of T-37 jet aircraft to Pakistan

Islamabad, Aug 21 (PTI) The US has approved the delivery of 20 T-37 refurbished jet trainer aircraft to Pakistan's air force.
The US government is providing the used aircraft free of cost to Pakistan, which will only have to bear the shipment costs. The delivery of the aircraft was authorised by the US administration yesterday.

Pakistan's Ambassador to the US, Husain Haqqani, has said the Pakistan Air Force had sent a formal request for the aircraft last year.

The T-37 twin engine trainer aircraft are from the US Air Force's inventory and are being refurbished before being supplied to Pakistan.

Earlier this week, the US released USD 116 million to finance mid-life upgrades for Pakistan's ageing fleet of F-16 fighter jets. The US is providing a total of USD 474 million to Pakistan for this purpose.

Pakistan has already received the first tranche of USD 108 million.

The US is also supplying 14 used F-16 jets to Pakistan for its role as a "major non-NATO ally".

PTI - Press Trust of India

this means that the a/c will be used for training.

 

[fatman17]

DATE:21/08/08

SOURCE:Flight International

Pakistan to receive more T-37 trainers

By Siva Govindasamy

Pakistan will take delivery of 20 refurbished Cessna T-37 jet trainers by the end of 2008, after the USA approved a further measure to help its ally modernise its air force.

Washington will not charge for the ex-US Air Force aircraft, and Islamabad will pay only for their shipping costs. Pakistan has bought more than 60 T-37s over the past few decades, but several have crashed and many are in need of repair. The USAF retired its last T-37s earlier this year, replacing them with Beechcraft T-6 Texan II turboprops.

While some of the surplus aircraft will enter Pakistani air force service, industry sources say several could be used as the source of much-needed spare parts. In June, Pakistan signed a $1.3 million deal to acquire spare parts and engines from South Korea's decommissioned T-37s.

The USA has also released $116 million in funds to help Pakistan perform mid-life upgrades to its Lockheed Martin F-16A/B fighters. Washington has promised $474 million for the work, plus $230 million that it shifted from Pakistani counter-terrorism aid programmes in July.

Last year, Washington agreed to sell Pakistan a further 18 refurbished F-16A/Bs, the first four of which were delivered to Mushaf air base in late June, plus 18 new F-16C/Ds to be handed over by 2010, plus 18 options.

Local media reports say Turkish Aerospace Industries has also been selected to fit ITT ALQ-211(V)9 advanced integrated defensive electronic warfare suite pods to Pakistan's legacy F-16s, with the move to increase commonality with Islamabad's F-16C/Ds.

Pakistan ordered 71 new F-16A/Bs in 1988-9, but in 1990, before deliveries could begin, the US Congress imposed an arms embargo because of its undeclared nuclear weapons programme. The 28 F-16s completed by Lockheed were put in storage and eventually entered US service as aggressor and test aircraft.

In addition to providing the surplus T-37s and helping to upgrade its F-16A/Bs, the USA has also allowed Pakistan to purchase eight ex-US Navy Lockheed P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft.

 

[x_man]

Does Pakistan use T-37 for basic training. Like in IAF, there are three phases of training
1-HPT 32-Basic Training
2-Kiran-Middle Level Training
3.Advanced Training-There was nothing in this category for a couple of decades. IAF pilots jumped from 2nd to 4th level.
4.MiG 21

In the current pilot overhaul the phases would be as follows:
1.Proposed trainer made by HAL
2.IJT(Intermediate Jet Trainer)-HAL
3.Hawk AJT(Advanced Jet Trainer)-BAe Systems
4.Any squdron they are posted in, that squandrons trainer.

Hi

Fatman has already replied , I will just attempt to pick from where he left...

Once a flight cadet completes his Bachelors degree, the real fun begins or for some : The real horror...

First, he/she starts ab-initio training on MFI-17 ( Mushshak) at Primary Flying Training Wing (PFT) and learns the basics of flying...once successfully completed the solo phase, cadets begin with basic and gradually proceed to advance manoeuvres....Lots of attrition takes place at this stage and I would say that more than half of the course/class is dropped out permanently from further flying due to various reasons which could be slow progress / lack of flying aptitude / air-sickness/ or many cant cope with the harsh environments so they just simply give up.....

The ones who qualify PFT, proceed to the Jet world on either T-37 or K-8, know as Basic Flying Training (BFT).....Besides solo stage, cadets learn Instrument flying, Advanced manoeuvres, few combat manoeuvres , High / Low level Navigation , formation and night flying....Again, many are dropped out due to slow progress and attrition continues in each phase of flying...

The lucky ones who survive PFT and BFT get the commission in PAF as an officer in the GD(P) branch and are considered eligible to wear the elite Flying Wing on their uniforms....But their miseries aren’t over yet and the sword of suspension still hangs over their heads....

PFT and BFT are done at PAF Academy Risalpur...After graduating from academy, now for the young budding officers, their next destination is PAF Mianwali.. They report to FCU - Fighter conversion Unit and fly FT-5 for around six months...Unlike MFI-17 and T-37 that have side by side seats,Ft-5 has tendom seats and much faster than T-37...Here they get a bit of a touch of fighter flying....many battle formations and few fighting manoeuvres are learnt...Again few unlucky ones are dropped out at this stage as well....

Next stop, OCU - Operational Conversion Unit on F-7P....By this time , Boys are becoming Men ....stakes are usually very high in OCUs....and the real fun begins ...One flies a supersonic fighter jet for the first time....officers learn Air to Air/ Air to Ground Gunnery, Air Combat ( 1 V 1 , 1 V 2 , 2V2), Missile firing , various air combat manoeuvres , low level strikes and lots of other fighter flying related stuff....Few drop out here as well and sent either to helicopters or Transport aircrafts...

Pheeeeww....The ones who finally survive the OCU as well...are ready to join the ranks of the fighter squadrons in PAF....they are posted to various bases and continue to polish and hone their fighter flying skills in the squadrons...

So this is how it goes from a civilian guy to a fighter pilot......>>>..Initial selection tests----->>ISSB----->>Medical------->>Final merit at Air HQ----->>Reporting at Academy---->>Military training along with gaining the Bachelors degree---->>PFT --->>BFT----->>Graduation from Academy------>>FCU---->>OCU---->>Fighter Squadron (at last)

Although, its seems a very long, strenuous and a demanding journey all the way but trust me: In the end IT’S WORTH IT....

 

[fatman17]

^^^x_man - fantastic job! for a minute i thought i was flying!

 

[fatman17]

Pakistan Trolls For Tweets

August 26, 2008: The U.S. is donating twenty pre-owned T-37 jet trainers to Pakistan. The T-37s are being taken from the U.S. storage facility (the "bone yard"), refurbished and shipped to Pakistan (which will pay for the shipping). Pakistan had requested the T-37s last year. Earlier this year, after more than half a century of service, the U.S. Air Force retired the last of its twin jet T-37B training aircraft. The replacement is a single engine prop driven aircraft, the T-6A.

One of the most successful aircraft designs of the post-World War II era, the Cessna T-37 is a two engine primary jet trainer with a top speed of about 680 kilometers an hour. Designed in1953, the T-37, affectionately nicknamed the "Tweet," entered service with the Air Force in 1957. Over the next eight years. 1,268 T-37s were produced in several models, including a ground attack version, the A-37, which has a much higher speed (830 kilometers an hour) and somewhat different overall characteristics. Most T/A-37s were still flying at the end of the Cold War. But since then, they have been retired at a rapid rate.

The versatile T-37 proved an attractive investment for nations wishing to stretch their defense dollars, and was procured for use by the U.S. and 14 other countries. The oldest T-37s have logged over 20,000 hours of light time, with the average well over 12,000 hours.

By 1996, all USAF T-37Bs completed a SLEP refit, extending their total useful life to over 30,000 hours. Regarded as a "user friendly" aircraft, by now many T-37Bs are basically worn out. The T-6A was selected as its replacement because this aircraft, based on the very popular Pilatus PC-9, already had an excellent reputation as a trainer aircraft. But many nations still prefer the tweet, and the United States is constantly asked to provide some of its retired (to the bone yard) T-37s.

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