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U.S. Agencies Block Technology Exports for Supercomputer in China

Moves comes as U.S. technology companies grapple with Beijing’s proposed restrictions
Updated April 9, 2015 9:14 a.m. ET

U.S. officials are blocking technology exports to facilities in China associated with the world’s fastest supercomputer, a blow to Intel Corp. and other hardware suppliers that adds to the list of tech tensions between the two countries.

Four technical centers in China associated with the massive computer known as Tianhe-2 have been placed on a U.S. government list of entities determined to be acting contrary to U.S. national security or foreign-policy interests.

The system, which is powered by two kinds of Intel microprocessor chips, and an earlier system called Tianhe-1A “are believed to be used in nuclear explosive activities,” according to a notice dated Feb. 18 and posted by the U.S. Commerce Department.

The Commerce Department didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

Intel was denied an export license late last fall to supply more chips associated to Chinese supercomputer projects, Intel spokesman Chuck Mulloy said Tuesday.

China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, three of the centers, and Chinese computer maker Inspur Group Co.—which helped build the machine—didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. The National Supercomputing Center in Guangzhou said it didn’t immediately have a comment.

Intel’s Mr. Mulloy said the chip maker is in compliance with the law. Designers of the Tianhe-2—or the Milky Way-2 in English—have said it is mostly used for scientific projects like genome research.

The blockage comes at a time when U.S. technology companies are grappling with Beijing’s proposed new restrictions on their ability to do business in the vast Chinese market amid rising concerns there over cybersecurity. The companies are protesting China’s new banking-technology procurement rules as well as a proposed counterterrorism law that they say are overly invasive and involve handing over sensitive material. The Obama administration has called on Beijing to hold back on those efforts.

Supercomputers—room-sized systems that yoke together large numbers of processor chips—are often used in weapons research, code breaking, weather forecasting and many scientific disciplines. The U.S. has long dominated the field, which has become a symbol for national competitiveness in technology.

The Tianhe-2 system in 2013 vaulted to the top of a twice-yearly ranking of supercomputers, based on its performance on a series of standard computing tests.

The U.S. government action effectively blocks Intel and others from selling newer chips to update the system. They must seek an export license to sell technology to be used by the four Chinese sites. Such licenses are “usually subject to a policy of denial,” according to the Commerce Department notice.

Intel has dealt with Inspur rather than directly with the Chinese centers, said Mr. Mulloy, the Intel spokesman. He said the company was informed in August by the Commerce Department that an export license would be required to supply chips associated with previously disclosed supercomputer projects associated with Inspur.

“Intel complied with the notification and applied for the license, which was denied,” Mr. Mulloy said.

Despite the potential use of supercomputers for military applications, governments have rarely applied export restrictions to the technology. One potential reason is that most of components used in such systems are widely available around the world and their shipments would be hard to stop.

China significantly lags behind the U.S. in chip design, though the government has been bankrolling research to improve the capabilities of local chip makers.

Horst Simon, a supercomputer expert and deputy director of the U.S. Department of Energy’s Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, said the U.S. restrictions in the long run will help Chinese chip makers and hurt U.S. companies.

“The Chinese will be more incentivized to develop their own technology, and U.S. manufacturers will be seen as less reliable and potentially not able to satisfy foreign orders,” Mr. Simon said.

The U.S. government restrictions list national supercomputing centers in the cities of Changsha, Guangzhou and Tianjin, as well as the National University of Defense Technology in Changsha.

News of the government restrictions was reported earlier by the website VR World.


Corrections & Amplifications

Intel was informed in August by the Commerce Department that an export license would be required to supply chips associated with previously disclosed supercomputer projects associated with Inspur. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said it was told the license would be approved.

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Let's face it, the Americans can't defend their military instalments from Chinese cyber espionage and thus have to take such steps to avoid losing military technology to China as happened with the F-35.
 
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The system, which is powered by two kinds of Intel microprocessor chips, and an earlier system called Tianhe-1A “are believed to be used in nuclear explosive activities,”

US pork is also feeding our scientists, maybe they should ban that too? I'm sure our farmers wouldn't mind the reduced competition :)

Anyway, this is of no significance. Even if US chips were available, we should be using them sparingly, and in no way be forming a dependence on them.
 
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These Yankees are desperate to holding on to the few areas in which they still have a prominent say。:D

Let's face it, the Americans can't defend their military instalments from Chinese cyber espionage and thus have to take such steps to avoid losing military technology to China as happened with the F-35.

If only the so-called Chinese hackers as really as capable as the US portrait them to be。:enjoy:
 
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While China is significantly behind US in the chip and semiconductor industry. China did make a supercomputer based on its Shenwei Chip.

I hear that Shenwei is a military only use chip.

ShenWei - Wikiwand

Does someone have more on this?
 
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U.S. Agencies Block Technology Exports for Supercomputer in China

Moves comes as U.S. technology companies grapple with Beijing’s proposed restrictions
Updated April 9, 2015 9:14 a.m. ET

U.S. officials are blocking technology exports to facilities in China associated with the world’s fastest supercomputer, a blow to Intel Corp. and other hardware suppliers that adds to the list of tech tensions between the two countries.

Four technical centers in China associated with the massive computer known as Tianhe-2 have been placed on a U.S. government list of entities determined to be acting contrary to U.S. national security or foreign-policy interests.

The system, which is powered by two kinds of Intel microprocessor chips, and an earlier system called Tianhe-1A “are believed to be used in nuclear explosive activities,” according to a notice dated Feb. 18 and posted by the U.S. Commerce Department.

The Commerce Department didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

Intel was denied an export license late last fall to supply more chips associated to Chinese supercomputer projects, Intel spokesman Chuck Mulloy said Tuesday.

China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, three of the centers, and Chinese computer maker Inspur Group Co.—which helped build the machine—didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. The National Supercomputing Center in Guangzhou said it didn’t immediately have a comment.

Intel’s Mr. Mulloy said the chip maker is in compliance with the law. Designers of the Tianhe-2—or the Milky Way-2 in English—have said it is mostly used for scientific projects like genome research.

The blockage comes at a time when U.S. technology companies are grappling with Beijing’s proposed new restrictions on their ability to do business in the vast Chinese market amid rising concerns there over cybersecurity. The companies are protesting China’s new banking-technology procurement rules as well as a proposed counterterrorism law that they say are overly invasive and involve handing over sensitive material. The Obama administration has called on Beijing to hold back on those efforts.

Supercomputers—room-sized systems that yoke together large numbers of processor chips—are often used in weapons research, code breaking, weather forecasting and many scientific disciplines. The U.S. has long dominated the field, which has become a symbol for national competitiveness in technology.

The Tianhe-2 system in 2013 vaulted to the top of a twice-yearly ranking of supercomputers, based on its performance on a series of standard computing tests.

The U.S. government action effectively blocks Intel and others from selling newer chips to update the system. They must seek an export license to sell technology to be used by the four Chinese sites. Such licenses are “usually subject to a policy of denial,” according to the Commerce Department notice.

Intel has dealt with Inspur rather than directly with the Chinese centers, said Mr. Mulloy, the Intel spokesman. He said the company was informed in August by the Commerce Department that an export license would be required to supply chips associated with previously disclosed supercomputer projects associated with Inspur.

“Intel complied with the notification and applied for the license, which was denied,” Mr. Mulloy said.

Despite the potential use of supercomputers for military applications, governments have rarely applied export restrictions to the technology. One potential reason is that most of components used in such systems are widely available around the world and their shipments would be hard to stop.

China significantly lags behind the U.S. in chip design, though the government has been bankrolling research to improve the capabilities of local chip makers.

Horst Simon, a supercomputer expert and deputy director of the U.S. Department of Energy’s Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, said the U.S. restrictions in the long run will help Chinese chip makers and hurt U.S. companies.

“The Chinese will be more incentivized to develop their own technology, and U.S. manufacturers will be seen as less reliable and potentially not able to satisfy foreign orders,” Mr. Simon said.

The U.S. government restrictions list national supercomputing centers in the cities of Changsha, Guangzhou and Tianjin, as well as the National University of Defense Technology in Changsha.

News of the government restrictions was reported earlier by the website VR World.


Corrections & Amplifications

Intel was informed in August by the Commerce Department that an export license would be required to supply chips associated with previously disclosed supercomputer projects associated with Inspur. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said it was told the license would be approved.

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I was hoping for total ban to China but your corrections section ruined my day. Let's face it, Chinese will need to pretty much be top 1 or 2 in every field in science and technology as there are certain big countries out there who just don't want us to dominate.
 
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I was hoping for total ban to China but your corrections section ruined my day. Let's face it, Chinese will need to pretty much be top 1 or 2 in every field in science and technology as there are certain big countries out there who just don't want us to dominate.

I was hoping for a total ban, too. The power of sanctions should not be underestimated.
 
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I am longing for a total ban, too. The power of sanctions should not be underestimated.
The US leaders know that sanctioning China would destroy their gambling center--the stock market. They even met recently with Iranian officials to lift the sanctions from Iran. US companies, due to greed heavily rely on east Asia market (mainly China) to keep revenues high and their shares to rise.

I guess they learned from 1989.
 
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Uncle Sam shocks Intel: Xeon Sales Ban for China Supercomputers
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VR World StaffApril 7, 2015

Just as Intel’s (NASDAQ: INTC) CEO Brian Krzanich opens the regular staff meetings before a dramatically reduced IDF2015 Shenzhen conference, it is a good time to review how government and enterprises don’t see eye to eye when it comes to strategic business.

China’s Tianhe-2 supercomputer is world’s fastest supercomputer, at 33 PFLOPS demonstrated and 55 PFLOPS theoretical performance.

Remember the Tianhe-2 machine at Guangzhou Supercomputer Center, the current World’s number one according to Top 500 Supercomputer list? Unlike some other China supercomputers – Tianhe-2 is fully Intel based machine, the world’s largest assembly of Intel Xeon CPUs and Xeon Phi accelerators.

Even after Intel ‘opened the kimono’ and gave a nearly 70% discount on its processors and accelerators, it has given Intel, and therefore US technology sector a major foothold in China and Asian region as such. Over the course of past two years, we were involved in a lot of discussions with Intel staff who were not privy to see the financial impact of the deal — and even argued our undoubtedly solid information. We’re not here to report how things should be, or are in marketing and investor presentations to its numerous staff, but how things really are.

During 2015, the Tianhe-2 supercomputer was supposed to be doubled in its size, up to 110 PFLOPs peak, again using the very same Intel processors and accelerators. Since now these are mature products with lower real manufacturing cost for Intel, they could finally make some real money.

Well, it was not to be: our tweety bird from the window chirped to us that Uncle Sam has put this supercomputer centre, together with National University of Defense Technology in Changsha, the system’s creators, and Tianjin centre, among others, on so a so-called “Denial List”, which prevents any high technology from the USA to be sold to these sites. Our sources used even harsher words.

Knowing that these several sites alone are expected to order some 250+ PFLOPS of compute in the next few years (around 500,000 top-end Broadwell-EP Xeon E5v4 processors, or approximately $1 billion high margin list price) and they were THE Intel friendly ones, this is quite a loss to Intel, thanks to Uncle Sam.

But, what’s worse strategic loss in time is that, based on this decision as an excuse, indigenous China high end processor architectures can now push the government to gradually remove any dependence on US. This means just one thing: an AMD or Intel x86 processor technology is increasingly becoming errata non grata. Should the Chinese government react in force, it will give the Chinese vendors the blank check support to go all the way a developing their Alpha, POWER and MIPS processors for both the government and the mainstream commercial use.

You may think they are not up to the mark, but remember how fast British ARM architecture became the dominant processing architecture in the world. And this group doesn’t need to worry about the antiquated x86 ISA, worry about satisfying the dumbed down shareholder masses, or overpaying their marketing and sales staff, as well as the fat check, golden parachute-protected CxOs.

They have taken the best that the USA has developed (some of key Alpha, GPGPU and MIPS architects left US over the course of past four years, a lot of them due to non-renewed visas) and discarded due to corporate shenanigans, and the continued developing it much farther than anyone expected both on hardware and software side.


Five years ago, ShenWei showed a CPU that performed faster than the fastest GPUs of the time. Now, fifth generation is approaching, slotting between Tesla and FirePro GPGPUs and next-gen Xeon Phi accelerators. However, this is not an accelerator or a GPGPU – this is a CPU.

So, thanks to Uncle Sam, China might not have a 110 PFLOPS Intel based supercomputer but it definitely will launch a 100 PFLOPS system based on upcoming 64-core, TFLOPS-class ShenWei Alpha, with true blue CPUs possibly faster per socket then even the next generation Xeon Phi or Volta/Pascal-based Teslas. Next, of course 100 PFLOPS Chinese POWER8 or 9 — (thank you IBM) and then possibly even Loongson MIPS – -it may come back into the high end field with renewed government support because of this Uncle Sam move. All are clean, elegant, scalable high end RISC architectures.

So who are the winners and losers from this?

NUDT and Tianhe may be the losers for now, but only short term. They will simply speed up their HPC ARM plan.


Intel comes out the big loser from this and a lot: who will want to do a phased deployment large x86 machine in China now, and worry about future phases? Then comes Uncle Sam himself: they lost even that little bit of influence on the high end China HPC. How is that for “cutting your nose to spite your face?”.



VR WORLD’s Analysis: US government moves accelerate the Chinese CPU roadmap while curtailing juiciest sales for Intel and other US vendors.

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Intel gave near 70% discount for chips used for Tianhe-2, in order to gain market share for future business. Now they can kiss that market share goodbye thanks to Uncle Sam. That market share would be given to Chinese vendor to help further develop their products.
 
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“The Chinese will be more incentivized to develop their own technology, and U.S. manufacturers will be seen as less reliable and potentially not able to satisfy foreign orders,” Mr. Simon said.

Yet another reason to replace foreign techs with domestic ones, asap.
 
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To continue selling high-tech products is actually to help slow down China's own technological innovation. Isn't it that History has already taught them this lesson?
Good move! No doubt that some Americans think their administration is the best friend of China.
 
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