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U.S. 7th Fleet Would Support ASEAN South China Sea Patrols

I wouldn't worry too much. Just send a few more fleets. Its not like 7th Fleet is the only one we have in our Navy.

China still control the speed of building warship. We don't lack technology, budget and shipyard, we just need to estimate American intention and modify the schedule.
 
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I wouldn't worry too much. Just send a few more fleets. Its not like 7th Fleet is the only one we have in our Navy.

we are not that worried, your defense budget is going to keep shrinking, procurement got cut by nearly 20% in 2012, R&D by 12%, not to mention pay raise.

Our spending is only 1.5% of GDP while yours is at 4%. still plenty of room to work with. lets see how you do in the long run.
 
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I must say, we must engage the Chinese on this issue, on the SOUTH China Sea issue. Unless something drastic happens, the Chinese will achieve some form of superiority in their immediate neighbourhoods. Betting China will collapse is not a strategy, it's a prayer. Even if there is 99.99% chance China will crash, there's still a 0.01% chance it won't and the fate of a nation cannot be left in the hands of fate. We must make a move, at worst, we will get a better understanding of where China is on the issue.

I have no doubt they won't match us ship for ship and tech for tech, but we can't base that many ships in one area, and I have no confidence in our ASEAN allies. We can arm them, we can train them, but in the end, there's a reason, with more or less the same population as Japan, they are no where near Japan.

Japan on the other hand can hold its own, we should instead divert our resources there, and make the concession for South China Sea, in order for the Chinese to recognize Senkaku and stop their expansion at Japan. Build on allies we can trust and allies who wants to be part of the global order.

We can still have the upper hand and any negotiations will favour us, however, if we wait, and let the strategic balance continue to deteriorate, that would really be a loss.
 
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China still control the speed of building warship. We don't lack technology, budget and shipyard, we just need to estimate American intention and modify the schedule.

Right...have you build your carrier yet? Or this just need modifying your schedule?

we are not that worried, your defense budget is going to keep shrinking, procurement got cut by nearly 20% in 2012, R&D by 12%, not to mention pay raise.

Our spending is only 1.5% of GDP while yours is at 4%. still plenty of room to work with. lets see how you do in the long run.

Indeed, lets see how long it takes. As I said, we are not worry. You make more ships, we just move them around.
 
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Indeed, we welcomed without any complaints or trying to stop by parking in front of China's spy ship near Hawaii, and we say we can do it to in SCS. What did China say? Its not the same thing as they said? Perhaps you should follow the words of your mouth.:-)
Hawaii is in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Despite that, your media cry like little bitch. LOL But just watch, my friend. In no time, we will team with up Russia to patrol your mainland. But knowing you, crying over Russian aggression, you can't be trust to play the standard game. LOL
 
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Japan on the other hand can hold its own, we should instead divert our resources there, and make the concession for South China Sea, in order for the Chinese to recognize Senkaku and stop their expansion at Japan. Build on allies we can trust and allies who wants to be part of the global order.

The "Senkaku" problem will go away as soon as the containment policy does. China will just shelve the dispute.
 
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Hawaii is in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Despite that, your media cry like little bitch. LOL But just watch, my friend. In no time, we will team with up Russia to patrol your mainland. But knowing you, crying over Russian aggression, you can't be trust to play the standard game. LOL
Why Russia need to patrol wt u there when he can do it alone ? :pop:
 
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By: Sam LaGrone
March 20, 2015 12:04 PM

Vice Adm. Robert Thomas, commander of U.S. 7th Fleet, delivers remarks during a change of command ceremony aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN-73). US Navy Photo

The head of U.S. naval forces in the Western Pacific said the U.S. would support an emerging plan to create multi-national patrols in the South China Sea that could bear similarities to anti-piracy patrols in the Strait of Malacca.

During a meeting this week with naval leaders from Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) U.S. 7th Fleet commander Vice Adm. Robert Thomas said the U.S. would back a combined ASEAN maritime patrol in the hotly contested region.

“Perhaps easier said than done, from both a policy and organization perspective, such an initiative could help crystallize the operational objectives in the training events that ASEAN navies want to pursue,” Thomas said at a panel session with navy chiefs quoted by news service Bloomberg.
“If ASEAN members were to take the lead in organizing something along those lines, trust me, the U.S. 7th Fleet would be ready to support.”

Pentagon officials gave the plan a tacit endorsement in a Friday statement to USNI News. “The Department welcomes collaborative efforts to bolster maritime security in the Asia-Pacific, including ASEAN-led efforts. We believe that close cooperation between and among ASEAN member-states is critical to sustaining peace and prosperity in the region,” Pentagon spokeswoman Henrietta Levin said in a statement.
“However, at this time, we are not aware of any specific plans or proposals by ASEAN countries to develop a combined maritime force.”

Any maritime patrol force with U.S. involvement or approval would certainly flare Chinese tempers.

The South China Sea contested territorial claims have been a constant issue between ASEAN countries and China.


A map of China’s shifting definition of the so-called Nine-Dash Line. US State Dept. Image

Both the Philippines and Vietnam have clashed with China politically over claims to the Spratley and Paracel Island chains and has conducted extensive reclamation work for military facilities.

A regional code of conduct between China and ASEAN countries has been in the works since 2013 but has largely been stalled.

As to the patrols, there is some precedent for combined ASEAN operations.

The scheme could be based on the existing model of combined ASEAN forces anti-piracy patrol in the Strait of Malacca near Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand, according to press reports in the Philippines quoting Philippine Navy Flag Officer in Command (FOIC) Vice Adm. Jesus Millan.

“Vice Adm. Millan [said] that for this ‘resource intensive initiative’ to work, all countries concerned should agree in working together in protecting the ‘Freedom of Navigation’ or the safety and security of seaborne trade and international shipping,” read the online report from radio station DWDD.


The plan follows comments from 7th Fleet’s Thomas in January that suggested Japan should consider surface and air patrols in the South China Sea, which quickly drew the ire of the Chinese.

“Countries outside this region should respect efforts made by countries in the region to maintain peace and stability,” said Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying in late January.

On Thursday a group of Senate leaders expressed their own concerns over the South China Sea on Thursday.

In a letter addressed to Secretary of Defense Ash Carter and Secretary of State John Kerry, the chairs and ranking members of the Senate Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees expressed concern over Chinese reclamation efforts in the Spratleys.
“For the international community to continue benefiting from the rules-based international order that has brought stability and prosperity to the Indo-Pacific region for the last seven decades, the Unidted States must work together with like-minded parternes and allies to develop and employ a strategy that aims to shape China’s coercive peacetime behavior,” read the letter signed by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) and Bob Menendez (D-N.J.).



U.S. 7th Fleet Would Support ASEAN South China Sea Patrols - USNI News
Looks like ASEAN nations will soon have to take permission from China to step into the waters on their own beaches.
 
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Looks like ASEAN nations will soon have to take permission from China to step into the waters on their own beaches.
Right, just like what Myanmar jet fighter did to CN, who knows when other ASEAN nations drop bomb 'mistakenly' to its beloved Hai Nan island :laugh:
 
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Right, just like what Myanmar jet fighter did to CN, who knows when other ASEAN nations drop bomb 'mistakenly' to its beloved Hai Nan island :laugh:
I was looking at the chinese claim line in SCS over the years which is growing closer to the shores of other countries. This ridicules established international norms.
 
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Hawaii is in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Despite that, your media cry like little bitch. LOL But just watch, my friend. In no time, we will team with up Russia to patrol your mainland. But knowing you, crying over Russian aggression, you can't be trust to play the standard game. LOL

The U.S. Navy admiral welcomed the spy ship, but China still says we can't do the same thing in response.:-) Russia has been doing this for decades. We even help them when their ships are in distress.
 
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Why is it that whenever the US gets involved in the Far East, China complains?

Oh wait, I forgot, they actually want to dominate the Far East like in the "old days" !

The US only said "support" and didn't say directly going to patrol that sea region alone, this to make sure the sea lanes are kept open for EVERYONE but what China wants is to create something in that area where they are dominant. Hell, they could use their man-made islands as a way to blockade any countries that are odds with China, confining the other country's sea lanes - Scarborough Shoal is an example.
 
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