Mubarak receives a $2 billion/year payoff to play nice with Israel and to suppress democracy within Egypt. But don't expect the Americans to admit that.
Nonsense...We admit it just fine...That with the exception of Israel, the ME is ruled by despots. We do not pay Mubarak or any ME despot to be what they are. Despots are the best that the ME can produce at this time.
No insinuation intended by 'people like me'. I quoted a statement verbatim from the 9/11 commission report.
If you can't rebut a factual point, just man up and say so. Don't start flailing your arms desperately with these lame displays of your psychic abilities.
Of course you were, and citing a US source actually reinforce that insinuation.
Yes, we get it. No need to beat this horse to death. You are claiming criminal incompetence as a defence. Got it!
Fine...Then we will roll a few heads. But that mean you are debunked.
Here comes that attempt to veer off-topic again. Once again, if you lose a point, just admit it and move on...
You mean you do not like a response to
YOUR veering off-topic? Then stop going off-topic.
Not at all. I never claimed to be a military expert but even I know that 90 minutes is an eternity when the Secret Service issues a direct request for assistance during a national emergency.
Apparently I guess I need to repeat myself -- The Secret Service is
NOT a launch authority -- and that mean if requests must go through layers of other command authorities, inefficiencies and delays are inevitable. Now why not show US how Pakistan could do better...
It is a necessary connection since, according to you, this coincidental military exercise 'confused' the h*ll out of the poor military authorities.
Nope...It is an imaginary connection. One necessary to detach Islam and muslims from the event.
Had two airliner crashed into a major Russian landmark that day? Had the Russian equivalent of the Secret Service issued a direct request for fighter jets over Moscow?
That is not the point. But we shall review the chain of events on the Soviets' side to see how the muslims are so reluctant to develop a conspiracy theory to that event because they know that it would end their own conviction about 9/11 'loony'...
Mathias Rust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the meantime, Rust crossed the Baltic coastline in Estonia and turned towards Moscow. At 14:29 he appeared on air defense radar and, after failure to answer to an IFF signal, was assigned combat number 8255. Three SAM divisions tracked him for some time, but failed to obtain permission to launch at him. All air defenses were brought to readiness and two interceptors were sent to investigate. At 14:48 near the city of Gdov one of the pilots observed a white sport plane similar to a Yakovlev Yak-12 and asked for permission to engage, but was denied.
That is amazing. The feared Soviet air defense was 'denied' permission to shoot Rust down. We may never know for certain if the KGB did issued a request, not an order, to fire. But it is odd that the dreadful KGB would not have that kind of authority. This must be a conspiracy.
Soon after, the fighters lost contact with Rust, and while they were directed back to him, he disappeared from radar near Staraya Russa. The then-West German magazine Bunte speculated that he might have landed there for some time, citing that he changed his clothes somewhere during his flight, and that he took too much time to fly to Moscow considering his plane's speed and weather conditions.
Wow...Soviet radars are supposed to be able to detect 'stealth' aircraft but they 'lost' contact with a prop job...!!! This has to be a conspiracy.
Air defense re-established contact with Rust's plane several times, but confusion followed all of these events. The PVO system had shortly before been divided into several districts, which simplified management but created additional overhead for tracking officers at the districts' borders. The local air regiment near Pskov was on maneuvers, and, due to inexperienced pilots' tendency to forget correct IFF designator settings, local control officers assigned all traffic in the area friendly status, including Rust.
Confusion...??? No...!!! This cannot be...!!! And how convenient that the local air regiment was on 'maneuvers' that took it out of the national defense picture. This cannot be anything but a conspiracy.
Near Torzhok there was a similar situation, as increased air traffic was created by a rescue effort for an air crash that had happened the previous day. Rust, flying a slow propeller-driven aircraft, was confused with one of the helicopters taking part in the rescue. Afterwards, he was spotted several more times, but given false friendly recognition twice; he was considered as a domestic training plane defying regulations, and was issued least priority.
Aahh...Even though the props on Rust's little airplane was of a different axis than on a helo, its motion must have 'confused' Soviet radars. Radar engineers the world over must have been paid off by the KGB to say nothing about this discrepancy.
Around 7:00 p.m. Rust appeared above Moscow's center. He had initially intended to land in the Kremlin, but changed his mind - he reasoned that landing inside, hidden by the Kremlin walls, would have allowed the KGB to simply arrest him and deny the incident. Therefore, he changed his landing spot to the Red Square.[1] Heavy pedestrian traffic did not allow him to land there either, so after circling about the square one more time, he was able to land on a bridge by St. Basil's Cathedral. A later inquiry found that numerous wires normally strung over the bridge - which would have incidentally prevented his landing there - had been removed for maintenance that very morning, and were replaced the day after.[1] After taxiing past the Cathedral he stopped about 100 meters from the square, where he was greeted by curious passersby. He was arrested soon afterwards.
What...?!?! Rust actually circled Moscow? Madre de Dios...!!! And what were those wires for? Was it actually to prevent such unauthorized landing by small aircrafts? And how convenient that they were removed...!!! And why was Rust greeted by civilians? Was he not tracked, although conveniently 'lost', several times? Where were the feared KGB or the GRU?
So, Buckingham Palace, Parliament House (UK, Pakistan, India) and various nuclear facilities are no-fly zones not because of security concerns but for 'traffic control'?
This is classic!
This one's a keeper.
The laugh is still on
YOU, pal. You were proven wrong about the true intention of 'Class B' restriction. Now the burden is upon
YOU to prove that 'Class B' mean lethal use of arms is the default and authorized and that Pakistan is enforcing it. Get to it.
Does it house fighters capable of intercepting airplanes?
If so, then it suffices.
No it does not. The argument here is 'the most heavily guarded airspace in the world'. You need to show the
HOW that goes beyond Andrews AFB, even though it may have fighters. You need to show that those fighters must constantly be armed and ready to take off in five minutes so they can be vectored to the appropriate area by ground control. If 'Class B' include the default lethal use of arms, you need to show that Pakistan does have such fighters readied
AT ALL TIMES. Get to it.
Again with the missiles?
What is your obsession with missiles, my good man?
Because they should be a part of that 'most heavily guarded airspace in the world' argument. So show us how Pakistan is implementing missiles as part of 'Class B' airspace restriction.
Standards? Precendents?
You want to know what standards would justify a 90 minutes to respond to a direct request by the Secret Serivce during a known crisis situation?
Yes. Or at least you should show us how Pakistan would have dealt with this situation.
You know, gambit, 'debunked' isn't a magic word that, if you just repeat it over and over it will magically solve your debating problems.
Try countering with actual facts next time.
I have. I shown the reading public how wrong you were about airliners and transponders, about 'Class B' restriction, and about the Secret Service authority level.
Fleet Week? You are comparing a simulated-hijacking exercise to Fleet Week?
Yes...Fleet Week may not be an exercise, but it is a well known public event that terrorists could use to attack US. Same for publicizing other exercises.
And Red Flag is only announced to warn about live ammunition used in those two specific AFB. Nothing to do with this particular type of exercise.
See above.
No, it doesn't gambit. The USAF doesn't publicly advertise all its training schedule.
Does not need to be all. But the fact that I posted NORAD's public announcements of its exercises absolutely debunked your insinuation and sarcasm that a bunch of 'cave dwellers' has access to 'secret exercises', which they do not need anyway. There goes that uncomfortable word 'debunked' again.
Oooh, magic word again!
I must play dead...
Wise thing to do. It is true about your argument anyway -- Dead.
Actually, they all blamed the US-led sanctions. Which amounts to the same thing.
But if they ignored Saddam's involvement, then that make them dishonest.
Already posted in that earlier post, but I will repeat it here: Hans von Sponeck.
Who resigned in 2000, too early to see how the corrupt OFFP contributed to the tragedy.
The only one constantly veering off-topic is you. When you lose a polint, you scramble around for an out. Any out.
No...It is
YOU and others who constantly seeked to bring in Iraq and who knows what else. Learn to stay on topic, if you can.
This doesn't even make sense. Surely not even to an Islamophobe doped up on Faux News.
This coming from someone who believe in loony 9/11 conspiracy theories?
Hold on to your hat now, cause I will say it slowly: Not everything is about the mooooslims.
Not everything. But this thing is.
You mentioned about OBL promising rewards to his followers and I pointed out that rewards and religious texts are SOP for cult leaders.
But then the fact that Christian cult leaders in the US are isolationists while the fact that al-Qaeda is a global franchise that anyone can attach to his name made your comparison inappropriate.
You just happen to live near an extremist mosque. Riiiight.
Try being honest next time and admit you got it from Faux News or one of their Islam 'experts'.
How do I know that the local mosque is 'extremist'?
Oh, this should be good....
It was.
Really? That is 'my thinking' is it? And you got all that from my simple statement that OBL bombed the WTC in 1993.
I would hold off on that job application to the Psychic Hotline, if I were you.
Of course that was your thinking...Here it is again...
The US response to WTC attacks in 1993 was not timid. OBL would have known what the consequences would be if he actually felled the towers.
What would compel Osama bin Laden to make a half-hearted attempt to collapse a WTC tower in the 1993 underground parking lot bomb attempt? Zilch. It make no logical sense. That is like saying a race car driver runs only for second place. So if it make logical sense that bin Laden wanted to collapse a WTC tower in 1993, then it is also logical that he would not have cared how the US would respond. That mean Sept 11, 2001, was actually his work and his alone to correct the first error. More like
YOU should not complete that Psychic Hotline job offer.
Riiight. OBL was counting on a kinder, gentler America.
Oh wait, that was Papa Bush, not Baby Bush...
Ooops for OBL.
Yes...Too bad for bin Laden that B43 was not Clinton. The muslim world was shocked as well that America would respond that way. Hip-hip-hooray for B43...!!!
Please do not forget to show US how Pakistan is interpreting 'Class B' airspace restriction over Islamabad International Airport. You cannot hide missile batteries. Not sooner or later, but sooner that someone will see and Youtube them. If the 'most heavily guarded airspace in the world' argument crumbles, as if it has not already, then so is your credibility about this subject. And it is telling that none of your fellow Pakistanis are coming forth with this info...
