U.A.E. Pulls Most Forces From Yemen in Blow to Saudi War Effort

[obj 705A]

a wise dicision from the UAE, Yemen has turned into a quagamire, the civil war there has no end in sight.

Saudi Arabia is acting in a rather reckless & unprofessional way in Yemen, instead of giving their enemies a chance to surrender they have practicaly told the Houthies & their allied militias "we will fight you to kill you, and even if you surrender we will still kill you" when you go to war with some one you have to give him a chance to surrender, because if you dont then he will have no option but give it everything he's got resulting a long war of attrition...that kind of a war that would tire even a giant like the US or Russia or China let alone a small country like the KSA.

in Syria for instance when Alepo was liberated from ALCIAda, Russia & Syria gave their opponents the chance to retreat or relocate because no matter how courageous a warrior is his life & his family's life is still the most important.

I see that alot of members here (mainly Pakistanis) are saying that they should send their own soldiers to Yemen, now why would you want to send your own soldiers to that meat grinder that is Yemen, is there any other reason other than "Rafidha kaffir must die".

 

[MastanKhan]

Uncle red to kr dia sara par shaayd prha ni... chaly me repeat keye deta hun. Mene kaha “i find it gross when people say lets fight for arabs in return of money”. Bhai mercenaries ni hy hm, tabhe kaha kay agar larna b hua to values ky lye, yak-jehti ky lye , emaan ky lye, naa ky 20 billion dollars ky lye.

@Khafee , it seems mastan chacha wasn’t paying attention.

Hi,

Children should learn---.

First thing---all armies are mercenaries---all soldiers are mercenaries---in one form or other---.

This term is a 5th gen warfare term being used by certain interests in pakistan to keep away from yemen---.

All the great wars of ismalic history of conquest had loot and plunder as part of the package fro participating in the war---.

All the christian holy wars were for loot and plunder---all mercenary armies---.

a wise dicision from the UAE, Yemen has turned into a quagamire, the civil war there has no end in sight.

Saudi Arabia is acting in a rather reckless & unprofessional way in Yemen, instead of giving their enemies a chance to surrender they have practicaly told the Houthies & their allied militias "we will fight you to kill you, and even if you surrender we will still kill you" when you go to war with some one you have to give him a chance to surrender, because if you dont then he will have no option but give it everything he's got resulting a long war of attrition...that kind of a war that would tire even a giant like the US or Russia or China let alone a small country like the KSA.

in Syria for instance when Alepo was liberated from ALCIAda, Russia & Syria gave their opponents the chance to retreat or relocate because no matter how courageous a warrior is his life & his family's life is still the most important.

I see that alot of members here (mainly Pakistanis) are saying that they should send their own soldiers to Yemen, now why would you want to send your own soldiers to that meat grinder that is Yemen, is there any other reason other than "Rafidha kaffir must die".

Hi,

Yemen had turned into a quagmire---because neither of the GCC had any experience in this kind of war---.

Only military that successfully tackled this problem in the region was Pakistan Military---.

The results would have been totally different with the pak military in the region---.

A peace would have happened lot sooner---.

 

[Rasengan]

Under no circumstances should the Pakistani military join this war. We must focus on our own economy instead of wasting resources on a pointless war which has no strategic value toward Pakistan. The situation would be different if the Houthis were invading Saudi Arabia. But obviously, such an event isn't taking place.

 

[ali_raza]

Sir g I dont care about the technicalities of politics
All i know is my father and my cousins signed up to fight for this country and this green white crescent star flag
and if the time came they will give their lives for this flag but they not will go 1000s of miles away to fight for some king we barely know. PM has made it very clear Pakistan will never again fight some else's war AGAIN our lives are not for sale.

dude calm down
wht is ur point
do u have any expertise in the matter
or r u too 2 times issb failure like that other guy on some thread was blabbering

 

[Sabretooth]

I believe there should be a referendum on the matter of sending Pakistani troops for peacekeeping mission into Yemen. Let the people decide if they want to take a leap of faith and send their sons, brothers, husbands, and fathers to a war that could shape the future of the country for better or worse.

 

[Vortex]

Hi,

Children should learn---.

First thing---all armies are mercenaries---all soldiers are mercenaries---in one form or other---.

This term is a 5th gen warfare term being used by certain interests in pakistan to keep away from yemen---.

All the great wars of ismalic history of conquest had loot and plunder as part of the package fro participating in the war---.

All the christian holy wars were for loot and plunder---all mercenary armies---.



Hi,

Yemen had turned into a quagmire---because neither of the GCC had any experience in this kind of war---.

Only military that successfully tackled this problem in the region was Pakistan Military---.

The results would have been totally different with the pak military in the region---.

A peace would have happened lot sooner---.

I agreed, I was wrong. we should have gone. But did we have the capacity to decide everything according to our will or we would have been under their orders ?

I mean would have the GCC countries let us being full master of the operations? What would have been their role keeping in mind their capabilities to... fight ?

 

[ali_raza]

@Mangus Ortus Novem @Shane @I.R.A @Signalian @Alternatiiv @Brass Knuckles
@Tps43 @ali_raza @MastanKhan

1) Which country was it, who Pakistan shares a border with, that was ready to attack in Feb, along with India?

2) What were the mil assets at PA, PAF, & PN's disposal from GCC?

3) If people suffering from myopic vision, cannot see what "protecting Pakistani interests" means, let them howl away to glory.


In a war, what comes in the press, and what happens on the ground................

i m soon gathering my old data and opening a thread on iranian destructing activities in pakistan
which involves honey traps and much more

 

[Vortex]

i m soon gathering my old data and opening a thread on iranian destructing activities in pakistan
which involves honey traps and much more

Would be very informative.

 

[Dubious]

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[aziqbal]

Saw this coming from miles away. Pakistan should offer help. It may help our economy.

Pakistan has a good record of not interfering with muslim vs muslim states

in 1991 a lot of pressure was needed to send Pakistan to Saudi to fight Saddam

and that should be our position 100% of the time

do not involve ourselves with muslim vs muslim under no circumstance

 

[MastanKhan]

I agreed, I was wrong. we should have gone. But did we have the capacity to decide everything according to our will or we would have been under their orders ?

I mean would have the GCC countries let us being full master of the operations? What would have been their role keeping in mind their capabilities to... fight ?

Hi,

That is what we should have learnt from the 1st and the 2nd gulf war---.

When are put in charge---you need to take charge---.

 

[Lincoln]

After having read the comments of all brothers here, I’m concluding for now, that maybe we could go there now. Why ? I don’t know yet, but still I think there is a window for it.

Maybe because @Khafee said about Iran which was ready to attack us while we were in open conflict with India. Yes i remember Iranian seaport of charabia m, raw agent Patel, etc

But I remember also the Arab coalition had added us in their list without our consent.

I remember also all those GCC countries doing business with India despite India being enemy of Pakistan...

Yes the GCC helped us for our nuke program, etc.

But they have also protected our own nationals, especially the corrupt one. I remember also they have given asylum to Ben Ali the Tunisian dictator President, Moubarak the Egyptian dictator... etc if it m not mistaken.

So even if I saw an opportunity as most of you stated, I’m still confused.(agree I have not full picture in mind and I don’t have full knowledge thus I could be always wrong).



But even if we have to go then :

- first of all we should define the objectives of the mission with the GCC’s heads.

- we should define a set of rules about the tools required for the objectives

- timeframe with milestones.

- exit conditions and exceptions.

- policies for Yemen after the exit.

And why not what we will get in return and when.


Thanks we did not joined the bandwagon last time: no objectives clearly defined, no requirements defined, no policy to resolve the underlying issues of the yemenites.

Recall past events and see when UAE started cozying up to India. It was AFTER we rejected their plea for military help in Yemen following a spat of words between ministers.

I need you to see it from their perspective. Imagine this, just imagine. You helped another country with billions of $, you helped fund their nuclear program, you put your relationship with US at risk to voice support for them following Nuclear tests, you offered them intelligence cooperation, you offered them diplomatic channels, you offered them exposure to exclusive jets and tech, you offered them academic support to their youth in your universities with favor to them, you invested in them with hospitals and schools.

And when there's a terrorist group trying to seize control in Waziristan and you need their help, after what ifs and buts of a few months, they say no. Of course you would move away from them, they are no longer reliable.

If you go further back into the 20th century, you would find the cooperation between Pakistan and Islamic countries at such a high level... Be it chechens, bosnians, arab war, Afghanistan, and much much much more which was never made public. And look at now, there's no comparison.

Pakistan has a good record of not interfering with muslim vs muslim states

in 1991 a lot of pressure was needed to send Pakistan to Saudi to fight Saddam

and that should be our position 100% of the time

do not involve ourselves with muslim vs muslim under no circumstance

You can consider Houthis as muslims if you can consider TTP as muslims.

We must not make same mistake twice. Everyone overlooked the war in Syria, let ISIS expand... Look what happened... A whole fucking city of 1 million people was bombed by US and Russian jets to the ground because no siege helped take control of it... The whole city is ash, dust and ruins!!!

If we let Houthis expand, who are trying to expand into Saudi border, firing missiles towards Makkah, you are asking for such a huge problem. GCC knows. They make not be succeeding, but they are at a stalemate, if it spirals out of control, they know its going to be a damned Afghanistan sitting in the middle east and they know from Pakistan what the spillover effect is if your border is against an Afghanistan.

 

[aziqbal]

You can consider Houthis as muslims if you can consider TTP as muslims.

We must not make same mistake twice. Everyone overlooked the war in Syria, let ISIS expand... Look what happened... A whole fucking city of 1 million people was bombed by US and Russian jets to the ground because no siege helped take control of it... The whole city is ash, dust and ruins!!!

If we let Houthis expand, who are trying to expand into Saudi border, firing missiles towards Makkah, you are asking for such a huge problem. GCC knows. They make not be succeeding, but they are at a stalemate, if it spirals out of control, they know its going to be a damned Afghanistan sitting in the middle east and they know from Pakistan what the spillover effect is if your border is against an Afghanistan.

Houthis did not commit any crimes in Yemen prior to Saudi invasion, the Houthis fighting now are a response of the Saudi invasion, did you just wake up like 1 year ago and forget the previous years ?

and whats this ISIS comparison, they formed as a direct result of US invasion of Iraq, who left vacuums of un-governed pockets between Iraq and Syria which allowed ISIS to grow and expand, after they sacked the entire Baath party including over 500,000 police offers who had nothing to do with Saddam, only doing their job

I think you are confused

 

[Vortex]

Hi,

That is what we should have learnt from the 1st and the 2nd gulf war---.

When are put in charge---you need to take charge---.

When are put in charge without consent, can someone expect being full master ?

 

[Khafee]

Houthis did not commit any crimes in Yemen prior to Saudi invasion, the Houthis fighting now are a response of the Saudi invasion, did you just wake up like 1 year ago and forget the previous years ?

I think you are seriously confused. Pls update yourself.

Supported by Iran, the Houthis have been rampaging since 2014.

The Saudi support to the legitimate govt of Yemen, is a reaction to the Houthis. Not the other way around.

When are put in charge without consent, can someone expect being full master ?

What makes you think it happened without consent?