U-214 Deal, Prime Minister in Germany

[mughaljee]

Salam all fellows,

Any information about U-214 deal, because Prime Minister in Germany.

Always regards

 

[rizwan78]

Salam all fellows,

Any information about U-214 deal, because Prime Minister in Germany.

Always regards

Some use full information about U-214 , interview of Prim Minister
SPIEGEL Interview with Pakistan's Prime Minister: 'American Drone Attacks Are Counterproductive' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
SPIEGEL: There have been a lot of media reports in recent months about Pakistan's plans to buy submarines from Germany, something which is controversial in Germany given the political situation in Pakistan. Do you also plan to talk about buying German submarines during your visit to Berlin? Or has your government already decided to buy French submarines instead?

Gilani: It will take some time. The army chief to whom I talked about this on Thursday told me that we are successfully moving forward. But this is related to all kinds of defense matters, not only about the issue you are talking about. But I can assure you, there is a defense cooperation with Germany, too, and we are already in the process of signing a memorandum with the Germans.

 

[mughaljee]

So, in this whole interview , where is standing U-214 deal ?
I think (my own thoughts) there is something wrong.
and if this happend, will be very sad sad news?

 

[rizwan78]

you can find that on 2nd page of the story.........

 

[Chanakyaa]

Some Members Critisied the Indian MMRCA Tendor taking too long.
May be True, but It helps getting the best choice.

Pakistan too should have an Open tendor, Let the Germans and French Compete so that The winner is Not on the basis of Benifits of Zardari or Kickbacks - Its Solely on The basis of Best you can get at The best Price.

IMO, It will be Gr8 for PN, if Gilani Gets the U Boats at pakistani Docks.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Some Members Critisied the Indian MMRCA Tendor taking too long.
May be True, but It helps getting the best choice.

Pakistan too should have an Open tendor, Let the Germans and French Compete so that The winner is Not on the basis of Benifits of Zardari or Kickbacks - Its Solely on The basis of Best you can get at The best Price.

IMO, It will be Gr8 for PN, if Gilani Gets the U Boats at pakistani Docks.

It was an open tender kind of a thing, that is why DCN put forward its Merlin Submarine, while German HDW offered its U-214.

On technical basis and other criteria, U-214 won, after which negotiations started for final deal.

The delay has been due to the political problems in Germany, as german elections were due, which is over now and the govt is in power who wish to sell these submarines to Pakistan.

Other delay is due to Mr.20% who came in just when everything was 95% finalized and he derailed the issue and trying to get the french subs, and why he doing that is well known to all of us.

 

[owais.usmani]

Some use full information about U-214 , interview of Prim Minister
SPIEGEL Interview with Pakistan's Prime Minister: 'American Drone Attacks Are Counterproductive' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
SPIEGEL: There have been a lot of media reports in recent months about Pakistan's plans to buy submarines from Germany, something which is controversial in Germany given the political situation in Pakistan. Do you also plan to talk about buying German submarines during your visit to Berlin? Or has your government already decided to buy French submarines instead?

Gilani: It will take some time. The army chief to whom I talked about this on Thursday told me that we are successfully moving forward. But this is related to all kinds of defense matters, not only about the issue you are talking about. But I can assure you, there is a defense cooperation with Germany, too, and we are already in the process of signing a memorandum with the Germans.

The ARMY CHIEF??? why is talking to army chief about a submarine deal? Shouldn't it be the Naval Chief?

 

[pakpower]

Very sad development for the PN it shouldn't be happening but what can we do except for sharing our thoughts with each other on different topics.

 

[mughaljee]

Believe me , after reading all this , i am very sad, and angree.

 

[mughaljee]

Dont divert the discussion (U-214)

 

[fatman17]

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 03-Dec-2009

Jane's Defence Weekly

Pakistan asks Germany to ease sales restrictions

Jon Grevatt Jane's Asia-Pacific Industry Reporter

Key Points
Pakistan has urged Germany to ease its defence export restrictions

The move is linked to Islamabad's pending purchase of HDW submarines


Pakistan has called on Germany to ease restrictions on defence-related sales that the European country has imposed on Islamabad for more than a decade.

Defence officials discussed easing the restrictions during Pakistan Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani's visit to Berlin on 1 December, according to Pakistan's state-run news service, the Associated Press of Pakistan.

The government-operated news agency said talks between the two sides focused on enhancing defence co-operation in "military training, defence procurement and production".

Quoting a "senior Pakistan embassy official", the report added: "There has been some improvement but still a ban continues on acquisition of dual-purpose equipment and Pakistan is seeking to get it lifted."

Spokespersons from the German and Pakistani governments were not immediately available to comment.

As well as imposing a restriction on exports to Pakistan, Germany has implemented a similar policy with Thailand following political unrest in the Southeast Asian country in 2008. This ban has forced a delay in the supply of Ukrainian-manufactured BTR-3E1 armoured personnel carriers to the Royal Thai Army as engines for the vehicles were originally intended to be sourced from Germany.

Defence export bans were imposed on Pakistan by Germany and several other Western nations in 1998 over allegations that Islamabad was producing nuclear weapons and carrying our nuclear tests.

However, many of the countries - including the US - lifted their sanctions in 2001. A spokesperson from another of the countries that maintains the ban, Canada, told Jane's in May this year that the country had "no plans to lift restrictions on the arms sales ban with Pakistan".

Although not confirmed by either government, the meetings in Berlin are likely to have focused on easing restrictions that are almost certainly affecting Islamabad's efforts to secure the purchase of three Type 214 platforms - produced by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW) - to meet its next-generation submarine requirement.

The government news agency's reference to talks related to "defence procurement and production" is also a clear indication that the purchase of the submarines was on the agenda.

A source from Pakistan's state-owned Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works (KSEW) confirmed to Jane's in October that the Pakistan government had selected the HDW Type 214 over the DCNS Scorpène and that contractual negotiations were continuing.

The source also confirmed that all three Type 214 vessels would be built under licence by KSEW following extensive technology transfer. The first submarine is expected to be delivered to the Pakistan Navy 64 months after signing the contract, with the remainder to follow within 12 months.


i think the U-214 saga is over!!!

 

[TaimiKhan]

It doesn't says anywhere the saga is over, the final decision has not been done yet. There is some hope still.

 

[fatman17]

It doesn't says anywhere the saga is over, the final decision has not been done yet. There is some hope still.

i say this bcuz the german govt. had delayed approval because of their elections which took place in sept or oct and since then there has been no move on part of the merkel govt to give the go-ahead!

last time the excuse was elections! what is it now?

 

[TaimiKhan]

i say this bcuz the german govt. had delayed approval because of their elections which took place in sept or oct and since then there has been no move on part of the merkel govt to give the go-ahead!

last time the excuse was elections! what is it now?

true, waisay bhi they had no buyers at that time so they were interested, now many buyers trying to get the U-214, so Germany has no prb is selling the subs to other countries who are interested.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Germany Is Poised to Sell Submarines to Pakistan
Chancellor Angela Merkel’s coalition will probably go ahead with the sale of three submarines to Pakistan, ignoring opposition concerns about the delivery of military hardware to the nuclear-armed state, two German government officials said. The Federal Security Council, a body made up of ministers that vets all military hardware sales, is prepared to back the sale of the Class 214 submarines made by ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems AG, the officials said on condition of anonymity because the decision is not yet final. A Pakistani delegation including army chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is in Berlin today for meetings with German officials. Opposition lawmakers are wary of sales to Pakistan as it struggles with Islamist radicals along the border with neighboring Afghanistan. “We have to ask ourselves whether such an unstable country really needs such submarine technology,” said Alexander Bonde, a Green Party lawmaker leading opposition to the sale in the lower house of parliament in Berlin. Bonde said a final decision will probably be made after German national elections Sept. 27. .


Its coming .... Its coming ...

Markel to Gilani caption " So was it 3 subs or 6 " just making sure