Typhoon hopes up after delay in Rafale deal

[Abingdonboy]

@Luftwaffe the IN never operated the AV-8, their Harriers were BAE Systems Sea Harriers. And the IN's Sea Harriers are being replaced by the MIG-29K/KUB in IN service.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Please, the EFT has lost out to the Rafale in every open completion

Rafale has lost to every other competition.

To date, the Rafale has lost export opportunities in Algeria (SU-30MKA, Rafale was a longshot), Greece (Eurofighter, then F-16), Morocco (F-16C/D), The Netherlands (F-35A or JAS-39NG), Norway (F-35A), Oman (Eurofighter, not final and Rafale was a longshot), Saudi Arabia (Eurofighter), Singapore (F-15SG), South Korea (F-15K), Switzerland (JAS-39E), and the UAE (F-16E/F, but could win next competition).

@Luftwaffe the IN never operated the AV-8, their Harriers were BAE Systems Sea Harriers. And the IN's Sea Harriers are being replaced by the MIG-29K/KUB in IN service.

Regardless Harrier has been operated currently in deplorable state with IN.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Rafale has lost to every other competition.

To date, the Rafale has lost export opportunities in Algeria (SU-30MKA, Rafale was a longshot), Greece (Eurofighter, then F-16), Morocco (F-16C/D), The Netherlands (F-35A or JAS-39NG), Norway (F-35A), Oman (Eurofighter, not final and Rafale was a longshot), Saudi Arabia (Eurofighter), Singapore (F-15SG), South Korea (F-15K), Switzerland (JAS-39E), and the UAE (F-16E/F, but could win next competition).



Regardless Harrier has been operated currently in deplorable state with IN.

Like I said, the Rafale has lost out due to political and fincail pressures/considerations by certain nations. With the IAF's MMRCA competion that was devoid of any poltics and considerations the only thing of concern to the IAF was performance and as such the Rafale rose to the top. The fact the Rafale won the MMRCA is proof enough for the Rafale's superiority of the EFT.


If you haven't, I'd read this:

Swiss "secret" report: Rafale v Eurofighter v Gripen • FighterControl • Military Aviation Forum

 

[Luftwaffe]

Like I said, the Rafale has lost out due to political and fincail pressures/considerations by certain nations.

Rafale LOST that is the bottomline, that is a big dent in its Exports and Expansion and Future. Dassaut is glad for the next 30 years they would drag hindustan with Rafale until they invented lafayal. Once the buyer is gone is gone same is with EFT to me IAF will never go for EFT.

PS. I am not advocating EFT over Rafale see my posts, lastly you posts regarding EFT is going through difficulties and no vision is baseless bla bla atleast in relation to Rafale's poor exports or so far no exports until the first Rafale lands in india.

 

[rockstarIN]

@Luftwaffe

EF can't come in IAF colours in our desired configuration in our desired time. We do not want to induct EF T3 from 2020 onwards. That too is doubtful.

 

[Koovie]

Rafale has lost to every other competition.

To date, the Rafale has lost export opportunities in Algeria (SU-30MKA, Rafale was a longshot), Greece (Eurofighter, then F-16), Morocco (F-16C/D), The Netherlands (F-35A or JAS-39NG), Norway (F-35A), Oman (Eurofighter, not final and Rafale was a longshot), Saudi Arabia (Eurofighter), Singapore (F-15SG), South Korea (F-15K), Switzerland (JAS-39E), and the UAE (F-16E/F, but could win next competition).

We dont know the criteria why the Rafale lost in all these tenders. If you have them, kindly post them.

One thing is clear, the Rafale is superior (at least in the subcontinental environment) to all the other MMRCA contenders which were eliminated in favor of the Rafale and the EFT. This decision was made purely on the technical level and even officials from LHM and Boeing acknowledged this after official briefings by the MoD.

The decision to go for the Rafale on the other hand was made on financial and political aspects.

 

[Ayush]

this is irritating.

 

[arbit]

French are the Toyota of aviation industry. Bulletproof reliability coupled with ease of ownership is their hallmark. Mirage's experience with IAF speaks for itself. It would not be wise to go with EFT at this stage.

Moreover Four countries producing one aircraft and us dependent on them for next 30 years cannot be a good idea no matter how you look at it.

 

[Awesome]

Somebody in India loves playing contract contract.

You guys should stick to Russian firms.

 

[KRAIT]

Somebody in India loves playing contract contract. You guys should stick to Russian firms.

Actually this competition give us more they are offering then. Diversifying our weapons is a priority.
French have been good allies.

 

[Star Wars]

Somebody in India loves playing contract contract.

You guys should stick to Russian firms.

Its going to be same , no matter what firm it is..the MOD are a bunch of morons...


Besides its the Brits trying to hand to the deal by its finger nails...

 

[INDIAISM]

rashtriya.rifles, I do Agree currently Rafale has A2G advantage, which EFT will cover eventually but not 100% and not so soon. The Tranche3A upgrade means lighter strong Airframe apart from over all Avionics.

There are as many 37+32/36 of Jaguars with alot of life left in them that were manufactured by HAL between 94-2002. Rest of Jaguars and Mig-27s were upgraded but would be the right choice to be replaced by Rafale those extra 63 you people are hearing over the top of 126 Rafale is very possible and makes sense.

- Number of Jaguars used as Antiship Naval Role
- 45 of Mig-29s on order would be used in Naval Role
- Number? of LCA II would be used in Naval Role [replaced of AV-8 Harriers]
- Mirage 2000 Ground Attack
- Mig-27 Ground Attack
- Rafale Ground Attack+ A2A

Actualy Mig27 upgrade has gone well as planned so most probably 100+ Mig 27 will be retired by 2017...

 

[Ayush]

Somebody in India loves playing contract contract.

You guys should stick to Russian firms.

why stick to one,when we are pampered with so many choices??

we will pick the best according to our requirements.

 

[anant_s]

Thats hoping against hope!
but it also tells about state of affairs in India as far as Defence negotiations are concerned. Somebody should have shown courtsey and sent EADS a letter indicating India's intent and why EFT lost out. don't understand whose purpose does it serve to keep things in such ambiguity.