Type-99G and Type-96G in the national day parade

[shchinese]

had a look at the following globalsecurity article, xk2 has never been in service.

XK2 Korean Future Main Battle Tank

by the time of its commission in 2011, Type-99A2 will have already been in active service. A fair comparison would be Type-99A2 vs. K2.

again, K2 is stupidly expensive. I would happily pay the same amount of money, get 2-3 Type-99A2.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I am not sure how you come up with this conclusion, but I am using the price info provided by the biggest news agency in Korea.

Wikipedia is in general a second class of information source, that is the reason why you see the cited article provided by a more respectful agency.

Digital Chosunilbo (English Edition) : Daily News in English About Korea

cool.
K2 is a true tank of the future do you agree regardless of the cost? is J11b better then F-35 because you can afford 3-4 j-11s at a cost of just one F-35? the answer is no, F-35 is the choice.

 

[shchinese]

cool.
K2 is a true tank of the future do you agree regardless of the cost?

no one ever questioned its capacity as a MBT.

however, it is not the best tank of Asia as you can't afford to have a lot of them.

is J11b better then F-35 because you can afford 3-4 j-11s at a cost of just one F-35? the answer is no, F-35 is the choice.

No, it is different.

With just 20-30 F-22, you can build up a super strong air force anywhere in the world, due to the very unique nature of air force. these aircrafts would be more than enough to carry out missions enough to change the course of a war.

However, the same won't be able to be said for K2. You get nothing if you have say 20 of them and the probability of taking out a K2 using 2-3 current Type-99 is almost 100%.

Last but not least, K2 will enter service in 2011, we should compare Type-99A2 with it, not the current Type-99. Type-99A2 has so many changes, actually almost everything from engine to guns, from armor to other other stuff.

In short, K2 is great, but still not the best when compared with Type-99A2.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

However, the same won't be able to be said for K2. You get nothing if you have say 20 of them and the probability of taking out a K2 using 2-3 current Type-99 is almost 100%.

You are merely saying this because t-99 is made in china. In modern battle field with multiple threat from land and air it is very essential for a MBT to have all the necessary systems on board to cope with these threats.
as for 3 vs 1 thing. guess what. in 1991 gulf war american Abram A1were massively outnumbered and as far as i know almost none were destroyed and scored kills after kills on t-72. you could probibly afford 6 T-72 at the cost of just one M1A1.
Now kindly answer my question. if ATGM are fired upon t-99 will it be able to successfully avoid a hit almost every other time?

 

[Guest]

tanks are extremely vulnerable in modern battlefields: ATGMs, guided-cannonballs, anti-tank cluster bombs/rockets became very effective in destroying tanks.
so who cares which of them is the best, they have had their time and now it is time for them stand down.

 

[Guest]

Now kindly answer my question. if ATGM are fired upon t-99 will it be able to successfully avoid a hit almost every other time?

yes, if it is targeted by only one enemy, t-99's on board active laser self-defence weapon will exterminate the threat before it can fired. but if t-99 is targeted by 2 enemies...

 

[TaimiKhan]

By the way there are probably two kinds of APS on the latest T-99s, a hard kill as well as a soft kill variant, giving it more chance to survive against threats in a battlefield.

 

[shchinese]

tanks are extremely vulnerable in modern battlefields: ATGMs, guided-cannonballs, anti-tank cluster bombs/rockets became very effective in destroying tanks.
so who cares which of them is the best, they have had their time and now it is time for them stand down.

yet our indian friends still could make its arjun combat ready.

that is the biggest issue here.

 

[emotionless_teenage]

one thing to consider is that both soft kill and hard kill APS is useless against a high speed projectile(round fired from MBT gun),cluster bomb and for some case,unguided weapon

armour is still a thing to consider.ERA block is suifficient to counter HEAT or APDS round but with DU(or tungsten-based round) that is another story

 

[black tiger]

one thing to consider is that both soft kill and hard kill APC is useless against a high speed projectile(round fired from MBT gun),cluster bomb and for some case,unguided weapon

hi,
this may be true with older systems, but newer systems like israeli trophy APS are designed to defeat APSDS rounds fired by tanks. regarding usefullness of tanks when it comes to taking and holding land there is simply no match for MBT's so don't expect to see them become extinct any time soon.
regards...........

 

[a1b2c145]

one thing to consider is that both soft kill and hard kill APC is useless against a high speed projectile(round fired from MBT gun),cluster bomb and for some case,unguided weapon

hi,
this may be true with older systems, but newer systems like israeli trophy APS are designed to defeat APSDS rounds fired by tanks. regarding usefullness of tanks when it comes to taking and holding land there is simply no match for MBT's so don't expect to see them become extinct any time soon.
regards...........

yes, everything changes quickly
chinese experts say that the 99A's armor still needs to be inhanced compared with Genman and M1A2, but it has its anvanced unique aspects including laser weapons and the big gun, its really one of the most terrified weapons in the world that i have ever seen........

 

[jwh]

cool.
K2 is a true tank of the future do you agree regardless of the cost? is J11b better then F-35 because you can afford 3-4 j-11s at a cost of just one F-35? the answer is no, F-35 is the choice.

K2 is still under development, while Type 99 is a matured tank and already entered in service. Type 99 took part in the annual military exercise with Russia last month. It also attended a number of military drills in China. You can not say K2 is better because it has the newest sensors, fire control system. You know type 99 is also undertaken continnous upgrades. It makes no sense just to compare which one has the best sensors, anti missile system etc. My concern will be the 3 main features, fire power, mobility and armor.
1. Fire power
K2, German tank gun from Rhein Steel. Good tank gun but not korean.
Type 99 domestically developed tank gun.

2. Mobility
K2, german MTU marine motor. good motor but not korean.
Type 99, domestic developed (based on MTU motor)

3. armor,
Both with composite armor.
Because information of armor is always classified, here no comments

As you see, china is able to produce the whole tank through domestic industry, that is the reason why it is cheaper, considering the price of a German tank gun and a German engine.And consider the fact that no country will provide another country the best weapon their have, so you know what I mean.
It is not fair to say type 99 is cheaper, therefore it is not as good as K2.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

K2 is still under development, while Type 99 is a matured tank and already entered in service. Type 99 took part in the annual military exercise with Russia last month. It also attended a number of military drills in China. You can not say K2 is better because it has the newest sensors, fire control system. You know type 99 is also undertaken continnous upgrades. It makes no sense just to compare which one has the best sensors, anti missile system etc. My concern will be the 3 main features, fire power, mobility and armor.

Kindly take the hatred out.
K2 is like F-35. Both are ready for production. Turkey will produce their own version of K2 known as atlay. I cant believe you can not agree with the fact that K2 is much superior to Type-99 with all the latest systems.

1. Fire power
K2, German tank gun from Rhein Steel. Good tank gun but not korean.
Type 99 domestically developed tank gun.

2. Mobility
K2, german MTU marine motor. good motor but not korean.
Type 99, domestic developed (based on MTU motor)

3. armor,
Both with composite armor.
Because information of armor is always classified, here no comments

What does that prove? Since K2 is not using some indigenous systems it is inferior tank? let me kindly enlighten you that China is still very much relied on Russian systems and thats where they work out their system and come up with a indigenous sytems, which i do expect to change in future. from semi indigenous to fully indigenous.

As you see, china is able to produce the whole tank through domestic industry, that is the reason why it is cheaper, considering the price of a German tank gun and a German engine.And consider the fact that no country will provide another country the best weapon their have, so you know what I mean.
It is not fair to say type 99 is cheaper, therefore it is not as good as K2.

the competition is not about which tank is more indigenous but rather which tank is more modern, lethal etc.. and i am sorry to say but K2 clearly has an edge.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

This is the Type-99G


And this is the K2

 

[jwh]

I just wanted to make it clear that cheap doesn't mean not good. How can you be sure the type 99 with newest upgrade is not as good as or even better than K2.
One more point I like to make it clear, Type 99 doesn't depend on russian system.
And who said K2 is the next generation tank, there is no fourth generation tank in this world. K2 is a 3rd generation tank as type 99.