Type 055 DDG News & Discussions

[rcrmj]

055 wont be as futuristic as DDG1000, and it wont be equipped with laser gun nor nuclear propulsion```it is going to use all mature design, techs and systems (90% are known to the public or used on current PLAN warships)

its VSL modular has neither 96 nor more than 128

there might be one thing that can be interesting, that is it will feature X and S band AESA radars on it

 

[Beidou2020]

055 wont be as futuristic as DDG1000, and it wont be equipped with laser gun nor nuclear propulsion```it is going to use all mature design, techs and systems (90% are known to the public or used on current PLAN warships)

its VSL modular has neither 96 nor more than 128

there might be one thing that can be interesting, that is it will feature X and S band AESA radars on it

So the type 055 will be a massive disappointment.

Man I was hoping for a 12,000 ton destroyer with 128 VLS that has laser weapons and rail guns.

This is the problem with Chinese society. Lack of innovation of disruptive technologies due to fear of failure.

Until that fear of failure is gone and we are determined to experiment with new things and be bold and take risks, we will NEVER be a match for the US in the 21st century or the 22nd century.

All those patents are useless unless China learns to be more aggressive in adopting new technologies and willing to take risks.

That risk taking culture is not present in Chinese society unlike in American society. China is too risk averse.

True Innovation comes from risk taking cultures.

 

[Jlaw]

So the type 055 will be a massive disappointment.

Man I was hoping for a 12,000 ton destroyer with 128 VLS that has laser weapons and rail guns.

This is the problem with Chinese society. Lack of innovation of disruptive technologies due to fear of failure.

Until that fear of failure is gone and we are determined to experiment with new things and be bold and take risks, we will NEVER be a match for the US in the 21st century or the 22nd century.

All those patents are useless unless China learns to be more aggressive in adopting new technologies and willing to take risks.

That risk taking culture is not present in Chinese society unlike in American society. China is too risk averse.

True Innovation comes from risk taking cultures.

The current emperors are not risk takers. They care more about saving face.

 

[Beidou2020]

The current emperors are not risk takers. They care more about saving face.

Innovation is about risk taking. It's taking the risk of going to the path of unknown and finding something new during that path.

Innovation is also taking discoveries in the lab and turning it into a useful commercial product that can improve things.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

So the type 055 will be a massive disappointment.

Man I was hoping for a 12,000 ton destroyer with 128 VLS that has laser weapons and rail guns.

This is the problem with Chinese society. Lack of innovation of disruptive technologies due to fear of failure.

Until that fear of failure is gone and we are determined to experiment with new things and be bold and take risks, we will NEVER be a match for the US in the 21st century or the 22nd century.

All those patents are useless unless China learns to be more aggressive in adopting new technologies and willing to take risks.

That risk taking culture is not present in Chinese society unlike in American society. China is too risk averse.

True Innovation comes from risk taking cultures.

We are not up there, the Type 055 definitely will not have those ultra-futuristic things.

But the Type 055A will have, since they need to first initialize the Type 055 as a platform for the future Type 055A.

055 wont be as futuristic as DDG1000, and it wont be equipped with laser gun nor nuclear propulsion```it is going to use all mature design, techs and systems (90% are known to the public or used on current PLAN warships)

its VSL modular has neither 96 nor more than 128

there might be one thing that can be interesting, that is it will feature X and S band AESA radars on it

The DDG-1000 right now is a pain in the *** for the USN, the dual band radar is not even ready, then forgot about the railgun and the 100+ km laser gun for the moment.

And you got this information from Slayerhuahua, but it is only her personal speculation, no one can confirm anything before the Type 055 is ready to put on the table.

 

[Beidou2020]

We are not up there, the Type 055 definitely will not have those ultra-futuristic things.

But the Type 055A will have, since they need to first initialize the Type 055 as a platform for the future Type 055A.



The DDG-1000 right now is a pain in the *** for the USN, the dual band radar is not even ready, then forgot about the railgun and the 100+ km laser gun for the moment

And you got this information from Slayerhuahua, but it is only her personal speculation, no one can confirm anything before the Type 055 is ready to put on the table.

So what the heck does the type 055 provide over the type 052D?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The current emperors are not risk takers. They care more about saving face.

The science is science, there is no luck or fluke about it.

When you are not 100% ready, then better not to be bold.

We are bold and ahead of the US in the HGV because we are 100% confident about this technology, while the 100000+ tons nuclear supercarrier with the EMALS, we are not 100% ready yet, then better not to be bold, when the mistakes happened, it will even consume you more time to fix everything than starting later with the more mature technologies.

So what the heck does the type 055 provide over the type 052D?

A larger platform with more firepower, also the dual band radar with the integrated mast.

When the platform evolved into a more mature Type 055A, then the railgun and laser gun could be implemented into it.

Even it is 112 VLS, it doesn't matter, just look how the Type 052D has 25% of more VLS units compared to the Type 052C.

 

[Genesis]

The science is science, there is no luck or fluke about it.

When you are not 100% ready, then better not to be bold.

We are bold and ahead of the US in the HGV because we are 100% confident about this technology, while the 100000+ tons nuclear EMALS, we are not 100% ready yet, then better not to be bold, when the mistakes happened, it will even consume you more time to fix everything than starting later with more mature technologies.

That's true, biting more than we can chew and suddenly we are in a situation like our neighbor to the West. One ship every ten years.


For now we need to more or less match the US fleet in numbers and mature technologies, go for big steps after we are set.

If we take a big step now and something goes wrong, we are pretty much screwed for 10-20 years.

Unlike the US we don't have 60 Burke + to fall back on.

So currently, it's a good move.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

That's true, biting more than we can chew and suddenly we are in a situation like our neighbor to the West. One ship every ten years.


For now we need to more or less match the US fleet in numbers and mature technologies, go for big steps after we are set.

If we take a big step now and something goes wrong, we are pretty much screwed for 10-20 years.

Unlike the US we don't have 60 Burke + to fall back on.

So currently, it's a good move.

Just look at India, they were not ready to build an advanced DDG, now they chose to rush, then Kolkata is not even deployed after more than a decade of struggle.

China can start to build the 100000+ tons nuclear supercarrier with the EMALS right now, but then be prepared to be screwed up for wasting more than 10 years to fix all those premature problems.

 

[Beidou2020]

So what will be the type 055 equivalent in the US Navy?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

So what will be the type 055 equivalent in the US Navy?

The Arleigh Burke Flight III, or a bit more, since it has more stealth features with the integrated mast.

Forget about the DDG-1000, since it is a failure, just look at the number has been cut from 32 to 3.

 

[Beidou2020]

The Arleigh Burke Flight III, or a bit more, since it has more stealth features with the integrated mast.

Forget about the DDG-1000, since it is a failure, just look at the number has been cut from 32 to 3.

What are the specs for AB III?

How many VLS does AB III have?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What are the specs for AB III?

How many VLS does AB III have?

The displacement will be about 10000 tons compared to the 9200 tons of the Flight IIA.

The number of VLS is still 96, but it is the more advanced and flexible MK-57 compared to the MK-41 of the Flight I/II/IIA and Tico.

But the Flight III won't be ready until 2020-2025.

The 128 VLS is nice, but don't act like the end of the world if we won't have this number for the earlier model of the Type 055.

Just because that stupid Sejong the Great has that number, but you have to know that Sejong has two type of VLS, one is the obsolete MK-41 (80 units), while the other is the even watered down Korean version (48 units).

While the Flight III is mile ahead of Sejong, would you pick Sejong over the Flight III just because it has more VLS units?

Even the Flight IIA can beat the shit out of Sejong, since Sejong is just a poor clone of it.

 

[rcrmj]

So the type 055 will be a massive disappointment.

Man I was hoping for a 12,000 ton destroyer with 128 VLS that has laser weapons and rail guns.

This is the problem with Chinese society. Lack of innovation of disruptive technologies due to fear of failure.

Until that fear of failure is gone and we are determined to experiment with new things and be bold and take risks, we will NEVER be a match for the US in the 21st century or the 22nd century.

All those patents are useless unless China learns to be more aggressive in adopting new technologies and willing to take risks.

That risk taking culture is not present in Chinese society unlike in American society. China is too risk averse.

True Innovation comes from risk taking cultures.

there is nothing to be disappoint about,
laser weapon and rail guns are nothing but your hot dreams, it will take much longer time to have them ready for practical deployment. and it has nothing to do with innovation or patents, you are too simple and naive about defense industry

055 is a critical project for PLAN to deal with imminent threat up to 2030 in the open sea, so fancy, conceptual and ideological weapons are NO NO for building an efficient reliable and robust weapon platform..

and the funnier part is that you are even linking chinese/american culture with 055 project``lol

 

[rcrmj]

We are not up there, the Type 055 definitely will not have those ultra-futuristic things.

But the Type 055A will have, since they need to first initialize the Type 055 as a platform for the future Type 055A.

The DDG-1000 right now is a pain in the *** for the USN, the dual band radar is not even ready, then forgot about the railgun and the 100+ km laser gun for the moment.

And you got this information from Slayerhuahua, but it is only her personal speculation, no one can confirm anything before the Type 055 is ready to put on the table.

i can only tell you that I formed my view on 055 based on rational analysis on various articles.

but no doubt, capability wise 055 will be at the top league world wide, neither Europ nor Russia will have anything close to that for at least 2 decades