Two teenage girls were killed in the name of 'honour in Pakistan

[Naofumi]

In other words you approve of this honor killing ( murder ).

He not only approves but think it an act of correctness.

 

[Prince Kassad]

I still cant even imagine that logic. I mean, if my toaster tomorrow said "Nah man, no more toasted beagles, I leaving to become a chef," I still wouldn't burn him alive if I said no and it left anyway.

 

[Mentee]

Locals are saying that the fair skinned wannabe liberal ptm leadership is supporting these murders due to their tribal alliances.

 

[Naofumi]

I am sure it also happens in West

Nope, at least it's not statistically significant.

 

[jamahir]

Also in middle East and north Africa. I am sure it also happens in West

I know for sure that it happens in Gaza - Palestine. It also happens in West Bank but more so in Gaza.

About North Africa, I will take your word for it.

About the West, I think it is mostly the South Asian diaspora who have carried it there.

 

[Naofumi]

South Asian diaspora

4. The Assembly notes that whilst so-called “honour crimes” emanate from cultural and not religious roots and are perpetrated worldwide (mainly in patriarchal societies or communities), the majority of reported cases in Europe have been amongst Muslim or migrant Muslim communities (although Islam itself does not support the death penalty for honour-related misconduct).

http://assembly.coe.int/nw/xml/XRef/Xref-XML2HTML-EN.asp?fileid=17106&lang=en

 

[Naofumi]

I am sure some of them are also killed for having extramarital sexual relations which is called honor killing.

That's an assertation. And define "some".

And if it's killed by relatives only then it's honor killing, not by friends or strangers.

An influential western man catches you with his female family member. What would he do with you?

This happens : nothing happens
https://www.telegraphindia.com/world/royal-who-dumped-aatish-to-marry-king-ston/cid/1669710

Gabriella, 37-year-old daughter of Prince and Princess Michael of Kent — the latter apparently never quite approved of Taseer as a possible son-in-law — is to marry her boyfriend of several years’ standing, Thomas Kingston, 40, who works in finance.

What would he do with you?

And this not called honor killing, killing his own family member would be.

 

[jamahir]

http://assembly.coe.int/nw/xml/XRef/Xref-XML2HTML-EN.asp?fileid=17106&lang=en

The page focuses on Muslims but doesn't speak of the crime among SIkhs in Britain.

This happens : nothing happens
https://www.telegraphindia.com/world/royal-who-dumped-aatish-to-marry-king-ston/cid/1669710

I suppose the woman didn't want to do anything with a bisexual boyfriend.

 

[SHAH BAAZ]

Honor killing happen in India too, whether in Haryana, whether in the national capital Delhi or whether in cosmopolitan Bangalore.



In other words you approve of this honor killing ( murder ).

Why are you ascribing anti-human tribal laws to Islam ?

No I dont approve honor killings man Im just saying, how can one stop this from happenning again? How can Pakistanis move forward in an honorable way where there are no killings and no immorality.

 

[jamahir]

No I dont approve honor killings man

Thank you.

Im just saying, how can one stop this from happenning again? How can Pakistanis move forward in an honorable way where there are no killings and no immorality.

Firstly, all this talking about "immorality" has to be eliminated. In a few Muslim-majority countries like pre-2011 Libya, brothers and fathers could not tell their family's women what not to wear and which man they could not be with. This is that attitude that has to be adopted in South Asia.

Secondly, honor killing has to be declared a crime of serious murder for which the penalty should be death, including to any co-criminal female family member.

 

[Laozi]

If the present young generation keep itself glued to internet then these honor killings will be a thing of past in few decades.

Thinking process of present day teens are the product of their smartphones which is filled with p0rn.

Forget about honor killings but Once these guys become parents they will be more than glad that if their kids refrain from arranging orgies at home.

 

[MayaBazar]

Just because north india has rape culture ,pakistan should have honor killing culture?
I come from telangana..a south indian state...we south indians give a lot of freedom to our girls....we dont have many rapes in our society.
Have you read about priyanka reddy rape and murder case that happened in hyderabd in december?The entire state rose in one voice to kill the rapists...the pressure was too much on the govt that the 3 rapists were killed in a week after the incident.
We dont tolerate such behaviour...anyway,violence against women ,be it rape or honour killing is shame for a society...but i just cant bring myself to think a girl is killed just because she danced with a man(i.am sure he might be a family member of her)

Good to meet you. I am from Telangana too. Yes. I agree with you that people from South India will not allow and tolerate rape culture.

Honor killing happen in India too, whether in Haryana, whether in the national capital Delhi or whether in cosmopolitan Bangalore.

Yes it exists in Haryana but I am 100% sure that it is not there in Bengaluru unless we are talking about North Indian immigrants to South India.

I would even say that whole of South India, Gujarat, Maha, Odisha, Bengal & North East do not have this problem. This problem seems be limited to the Hindi-Urdu North Indian states.

 

[jamahir]

I come from telangana..a south indian state...we south indians give a lot of freedom to our girls

There is the Pranay murder / honor killing case from 2018 from Telangana :

Amrutha and Pranay were high school sweethearts in Miriyalaguda, a small town in the southern Indian state of Telangana. They first met at high school.

"We always liked each other. We used to talk a lot on the phone and then we fell in love," she says with a wan smile.

Amrutha, 21, belongs to a wealthy, upper-caste family, while Pranay, who was 24, was a Dalit (formerly untouchable). In April 2016, they married despite her parents' objections. Now five months pregnant, she finds herself saying the unimaginable.

"My father killed my husband because he did not belong to the same caste as me.

Good to meet you. I am from Telangana too. Yes. I agree with you that people from South India will not allow and tolerate rape culture.

He's mainly not talking about rapes in Telangana but about honor killing.

Yes it exists in Haryana but I am 100% sure that it is not there in Bengaluru unless we are talking about North Indian immigrants to South India.

I would even say that whole of South India, Gujarat, Maha, Odisha, Bengal & North East do not have this problem. This problem seems be limited to the Hindi-Urdu North Indian states.

Here are two cases from Tamil Nadu :

https://www.hindustantimes.com/tami...h-dalit-boy/story-TnmO5m5g7XSmJLaLPtrlwM.html

https://frontline.thehindu.com/dispatches/article31235723.ece

In Bangalore :

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...red-near-devanahalli/articleshow/66743738.cms

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In all three cases the newly-wed husbands have been murdered but I remember a case from Bangalore from a few years ago where the woman had been killed. I am unable to find the link.

 

[SHAH BAAZ]

Thank you.



Firstly, all this talking about "immorality" has to be eliminated. In a few Muslim-majority countries like pre-2011 Libya, brothers and fathers could not tell their family's women what not to wear and which man they could not be with. This is that attitude that has to be adopted in South Asia.

Secondly, honor killing has to be declared a crime of serious murder for which the penalty should be death, including to any co-criminal female family member.

I dont think im that liberalized yet. Its not us who tell the women what to wear its in the Quran to dress modestly. I dont think burqa is mentioned but modesty is, wear clothes where if the female walks, her body parts cant be seen moving.

What you are telling me we should get away from Islam altogether?

 

[jamahir]

If the present young generation keep itself glued to internet then these honor killings will be a thing of past in few decades.

The punishment for honor killing must be a swift death sentence.