Two Squadron of LCH for each Indian army Strike corps

[lynx]

Its time that IAF transfer their helicopters to IA, so that the inter-operability b/n the 2 services can be avoided.

 

[Dash]

I simply dont understand why all attack helos cant be under Army LCH and Apache/Mils need to with Army, so that it can give operational ease and freedom.

 

[Archie]

You are absolutely right bro.India should raise atleast 2 marine expeditionary corps with separate equipments under navy.
Apart from the 2 mountain divisons raised there are also plan of seting up a separate mountain strike corps and 2 indipendent indantri brigades.

REGARDS....

Raising 2 marine units comprising 5000 jawans each is not a problem and can be done in 2 yrs time by drawing men from other indian special units and training new recruits

Problem will arise in providing these marines with expeditionary capability

currently Indian inventory of blue water amphibius assault ships stand at 8 ships which can together move some 4500 marines and 10O+ MBTs
we also have 12 smaller landing ships which can carry 1800 troops and 36 MBTs , but they cannot move troops beyond Andaman and Nicobar Island

My point is that in order to effectively use a 10000 man expeditionary force , we need to have adequate number of LPDs , LSTs and LHD

even after the proposed acquisition of 4 new LPD/LHD , we would be unable to move more than 7000 troops over long distance

even china despite having a 25000 man strong marine unit will struggle to move more than 5000 troops beyond Taiwan straits thanks to shortage of long endurance amphibius ships in service

 

[Omega007]

I simply dont understand why all attack helos cant be under Army LCH and Apache/Mils need to with Army, so that it can give operational ease and freedom.

I too can't understand why attack helos so far was used by IAF when the need was of IA.
By apart from the 200 LUH the way IA should also order atleast 200-250 Mi 17V armed medium lift helicopters.They are very good for heliborne operations and are fitted with light armor,FLIR and CCD,can be used in secondary anti armor/infantry role.

 

[Omega007]

Raising 2 marine units comprising 5000 jawans each is not a problem and can be done in 2 yrs time by drawing men from other indian special units and training new recruits

Problem will arise in providing these marines with expeditionary capability

currently Indian inventory of blue water amphibius assault ships stand at 8 ships which can together move some 4500 marines and 10O+ MBTs
we also have 12 smaller landing ships which can carry 1800 troops and 36 MBTs , but they cannot move troops beyond Andaman and Nicobar Island

My point is that in order to effectively use a 10000 man expeditionary force , we need to have adequate number of LPDs , LSTs and LHD

even after the proposed acquisition of 4 new LPD/LHD , we would be unable to move more than 7000 troops over long distance

even china despite having a 25000 man strong marine unit will struggle to move more than 5000 troops beyond Taiwan straits thanks to shortage of long endurance amphibius ships in service

Fair enough bro.I too know that as per our navy's current capability
IA can not send more than 5600 men and 140 tanks beyond andaman.But my point was that the proposed LPDs will be much bigger(in the 30000 ton) than the Trenton.So they will definately be able to carry much heavier payload to greater distances.Another thing you missed that apart from the 4 LPDs the IN has also plans to build atleast 12 heavy weight landing ship tanks.If need arises the Virat can easily be turned into a LHD.
So raising 2 marine expeditionary divisions is very feasible.
REGARDS....

 

[jha]

If need arises the Virat can easily be turned into a LHD.

Nah..Old man deserves retirement now..Spending even a penny on this will be royal waste..
Instead should buy 4 Dokdo/Juan Carlos class LHDs in addition to the 4 LPDs..

 

[Omega007]

Nah..Old man deserves retirement now..Spending even a penny on this will be royal waste..
Instead should buy 4 Dokdo/Juan Carlos class LHDs in addition to the 4 LPDs..

Oh sir ji,I was talking about emergency.Your thoughts are 100 percent right though.
REGARDS....

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Fair enough bro.I too know that as per our navy's current capability
IA can not send more than 5600 men and 140 tanks beyond andaman.But my point was that the proposed LPDs will be much bigger(in the 30000 ton) than the Trenton.So they will definately be able to carry much heavier payload to greater distances.Another thing you missed that apart from the 4 LPDs the IN has also plans to build atleast 12 heavy weight landing ship tanks.If need arises the Virat can easily be turned into a LHD.
So raising 2 marine expeditionary divisions is very feasible.
REGARDS....

Regarding Amphibious Sealift capabilities, the IN is gearing up to be able to transport 1 Amphib. Bde. strength at the present time. That has been the basis of joint IN & IA exercises. And the laboratory for setting this up is the Integrated Forces Command in A & N. Though the exercises have been regularly carried out on both Eastern and Western seaboards.

About the the possibility of INS Viraat being turned into a LHD, please remember that as the HMS Hermes she had the ability to embark approx. a Battalion of Amphib. troops. That capability is still dormant and will (IMO) be revived later as the Carriers enter service and pending acquisition of the projected LPDs. Look closely at the Viraat as she is. She has Davit-launched LCMs already.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Raising 2 marine units comprising 5000 jawans each is not a problem and can be done in 2 yrs time by drawing men from other indian special units and training new recruits

I thought they planned a force of around 40000 but i am not sure....

 

[brational]

When LCH gonna hv the FOC?

 

[Nirvana]

When LCH gonna hv the FOC?

Hopefully By Next Year

 

[Omega007]

Hopefully By Next Year

I too hope so.IA and IAF has already ordered 180 LCH and will greatly improve anti armor capability of indian armed forces.
Enemy armors,here LCH comes.Be careful.lol.
REGARDS....

 

[sancho]

How many choppers in one squadron?

Going by the numbers of the heavy combat helicopter deal and assuming IAF airwing is similar, it must be 11 helis in a squadron (10 + 1 trainer).

I simply dont understand why all attack helos cant be under Army LCH and Apache/Mils need to with Army, so that it can give operational ease and freedom.

Because IAF has the operation need for combat helicopters as well. They provide escorts to Dhruv, or Mi 17 for example while transporting troops, they could protect IAF bases, or get even joint attack missions, with IAF fighters for example. Apaches in Iraq were used in SEAD for example, flying low to avoid radar detection and destroyed key radar sites to pave a safe area for incoming fighters.
Today in Libya, they will be used for CAS roles, in combination with fighters, because the targets in this stage of the conflict are too small and hard to detect for th fighters at high altitude.

IA now gets it's own attack helicopter wing, which is good of course, but MoD still should have a focus on it, it shouldn't be a reason for trouble between the forces and they should take care that all combat helicopters in IA and IAF should have the same weapons and training. It would be nuts if IA selects a different weapon systems for Dhruv WSI and LCH, just to distinguish themselfs from IAF and make interoperability not possible anymore. Same reason why I hope that MoD combines all the amphibious aircraft deals, there is no reason why our forces should get 3 different aircrafts, when the main requirement is the same, to take off and land on water.

 

[Omega007]

I thought they planned a force of around 40000 but i am not sure....

Eventually the brigade will grow to a corps sized marine expeditionary force.For near future 2 brigades with a total of 10000 combatants will be enough.It will be raised as amphibious capability of IN rises.
REGARDS....

 

[Omega007]

Going by the numbers of the heavy combat helicopter deal and assuming IAF airwing is similar, it must be 11 helis in a squadron (10 + 1 trainer).




Because IAF has the operation need for combat helicopters as well. They provide escorts to Dhruv, or Mi 17 for example while transporting troops, they could protect IAF bases, or get even joint attack missions, with IAF fighters for example. Apaches in Iraq were used in SEAD for example, flying low to avoid radar detection and destroyed key radar sites to pave a safe area for incoming fighters.
Today in Libya, they will be used for CAS roles, in combination with fighters, because the targets in this stage of the conflict are too small and hard to detect for th fighters at high altitude.

IA now gets it's own attack helicopter wing, which is good of course, but MoD still should have a focus on it, it shouldn't be a reason for trouble between the forces and they should take care that all combat helicopters in IA and IAF should have the same weapons and training. It would be nuts if IA selects a different weapon systems for Dhruv WSI and LCH, just to distinguish themselfs from IAF and make interoperability not possible anymore. Same reason why I hope that MoD combines all the amphibious aircraft deals, there is no reason why our forces should get 3 different aircrafts, when the main requirement is the same, to take off and land on water.

Hey Sancho,I think all the LCH will be equipped with PARS 3 and later HELINA ATGMs.Do you think any other missiles will be used by one of the branches?
And don't you think IA should also order some Mi 17V helicopters apart from the LUHs?Please share your thoughts.
REGARDS....