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Two-front war remote, but threat from China real

Go learn some English kid. I am tired of teaching you. And please don't quote me for ^^^ such posts. Post something valuable or atleast arguable then come. Google will not be of help here.

no necessity for any Chinese here to improve english.for most Chinese ,26 letters enough.here in China we don't have to talk to anybody in english,all books we need have Chinese version,all big medias have Chinese edition,including those anti-China medias!
but i think english is important for you ,maybe you got worse job if you don't know english than you have now.
 
no necessity for any Chinese here to improve english.for most Chinese ,26 letters enough.here in China we don't have to talk to anybody in english,all books we need have Chinese version,all big medias have Chinese edition,including those anti-China medias!
but i think english is important for you ,maybe you got worse job if you don't know english than you have now.

Go to a chinese forum then. In an english forum, you are supposed be remotely legible at the least.

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CAS made a statement few days ago. And he didn't speak in dream land
1. IAF was strong enough for PLAF
2. IAF pilots were more experienced and we're outa war from 1965
3. Do you know which places PLAF has during 1962 ???
4. Do you know the operational situation in conflict area ??? Even today it's advantage India
5. IAF wasn't used because Nehru don't want the war to extend beyond limits. He ran to US and acted against the advice of our forces and deny the use of IAF
6. Chinese would have used their airforce. Sure. Where ??? Do you know where the conflict area is ??? Even today's modern jets have difficulty in that area. And from Chinese side they have to climb platue and they cost the efficiency

Dude in retrospect we can make statements about what happened 50 years ago. Back then the assessment of the army was:

a) China was collectively stronger
b) The larger Chinese air force could absorb more damages than India could. China had Mig 19, Mig 17 and Mig 21. And they had night capable fighters whereas we lacked night operation capability. Whereas we had Gnat, Mysteres and Hawker Hunters. Even though they were good subsonic aircraft, I dont think they compare with the Mig 21s.
c) No armor was used, so no point in using the airforce. Plus the terrain was rough and rugged and Indian troops were dispersed.
d) Most of our airforce was stationed in the west
e) India feared escalation.

Yes India had an advantage when it came to terrain, in that our airfields were at sea level compared to the Chinese that were at higher altitudes and we'd have been able to bomb them more effectively.And the Chinese had only 6 airfields nearby.

So when we are talking about military history, we can go in circles and argue about who had what choices, but we chose to sit our airforce out. Now we cannot come back and say - "IF we had used our airforce, we would have won". What if we still lost? What if the Chinese were better in that particular instance? What if the war had escalated and become a major invasion by the chinese? Would India be able to sustain a long war? Would we be able to supply our soldiers? Same questions go to Chinese too.

But in the end this is all speculation.
 
no necessity for any Chinese here to improve english.for most Chinese ,26 letters enough.here in China we don't have to talk to anybody in english,all books we need have Chinese version,all big medias have Chinese edition,including those anti-China medias!
but i think english is important for you ,maybe you got worse job if you don't know english than you have now.

If he can't then he shouldn't quote me as I don't know any of the letters he know and it's harassment to understand his English And I hope you know the communication language on this forum in ENGLISH. so he has to learn it. And this isn't china dude.
If you have problem with that please teach him. So atleast he can troll in understandable statements and not in =
 
Dude in retrospect we can make statements about what happened 50 years ago. Back then the assessment of the army was:

a) China was collectively stronger
b) The larger Chinese air force could absorb more damages than India could. China had Mig 19, Mig 17 and Mig 21. And they had night capable fighters whereas we lacked night operation capability. Whereas we had Gnat, Mysteres and Hawker Hunters. Even though they were good subsonic aircraft, I dont think they compare with the Mig 21s.
c) No armor was used, so no point in using the airforce. Plus the terrain was rough and rugged and Indian troops were dispersed.
d) Most of our airforce was stationed in the west
e) India feared escalation.

Yes India had an advantage when it came to terrain, in that our airfields were at sea level compared to the Chinese that were at higher altitudes and we'd have been able to bomb them more effectively.And the Chinese had only 6 airfields nearby.

So when we are talking about military history, we can go in circles and argue about who had what choices, but we chose to sit our airforce out. Now we cannot come back and say - "IF we had used our airforce, we would have won". What if we still lost? What if the Chinese were better in that particular instance? What if the war had escalated and become a major invasion by the chinese? Would India be able to sustain a long war? Would we be able to supply our soldiers? Same questions go to Chinese too.

But in the end this is all speculation.
We can't go back and change the situation is correct. But some bad decisions changed the course of history. And if you don't want to debate on that. Then just leave it.
I know "ifs and buts are useless" but what problem in checking validity of claims if we can


We talk it out one by one
Can you prove the Mig-21 claim ???
As far as I know Mig-21 design was given to China by USSR in 1962 as a good will to improve relations and that too with some missing part. Chinese sort it out in next 5/7 years. So Mig-21 or it's reverse engineer model wasn't there in 1962
In the 1950s and early 1960s, the Soviet Union shared most of its conventional weapons technology with the People's Republic of China. One of these was the limited cooperation between the two countries in the early stage development of the famous MiG-21 short-range interceptor-fighter aircraft.[citation needed] Powered by a single engine and designed on a simple airframe, these fighters were inexpensive, but fast, suiting the strategy of forming large groups of 'people's fighters' to overcome the technological advantages of Western aircraft. However, the Sino-Soviet split ended Chinese early participation in the developmental program of the MiG-21 abruptly, and from July 28 to September 1, 1960, the Soviet Union withdrew its advisers from China, resulting in the project being forced to stop in China.
However, Nikita Khrushchev suddenly wrote to Mao Zedong in February, 1962 to inform Mao that the Soviet Union was ready to transfer MiG-21 technology to China and asked the Chinese to send their representatives to the Soviet Union as soon as possible to discuss the details. The Chinese viewed this as a Soviet gesture to make peace, and were obviously suspicious, but they were extremely quick to take up on the Soviet offer for the aircraft deal. A delegation headed by Colonel General Liu Yalou (刘亚楼), the commander-in-chief of the PLAAF and a Soviet military academy graduate was dispatched to Moscow immediately and the Chinese delegation was even allowed to have three days to visit the production facility of the MiG-21, which was previously off limits to foreigners. The authorization was personally given by Nikita Khrushchev himself, and on March 30, 1962, the deal was signed. However, given the political situation and relationship between the two countries, the Chinese were not optimistic about gaining the technology and thus were prepared for reverse engineering.
Russian sources stated that complete examples of the MiG-21 were sent to China flown by Soviet pilots, and China did receive MiG-21Fs in kits along with parts and technical documents.[citation needed] Just as the Chinese had expected, when the Soviets delivered the kits, parts and documents to Shenyang Aircraft Factory five months after the deal was signed the Chinese discovered that the technical documents provided by the Soviets were incomplete and some of the parts could not be used.[citation needed] China set about to reverse engineer the aircraft for local production, and in doing so, succeeded in solving 249 major problems and came up with eight major technical documents that were not delivered. The effort was largely successful, as the Chinese design showed only minor differences from the original.[citation needed] In March, 1964, Shenyang Aircraft Factory began the first domestic production of the jet fighter, which they successfully achieved the next year. However, the mass production of the aircraft was severely hindered by an unexpected problem—the Cultural Revolution—that resulted in poor initial quality and slow progress, which, in turn, resulted in full scale production only coming about in the 1980s, by which time the design was showing its age. J-7 only reached Soviet designed capacity in the mid 80's. However, the fighter is affordable and widely exported as the F-7, often with Western systems incorporated like the ones sold to Pakistan. Based on the expertise gained by this program, China later developed the Shenyang J-8 by utilizing the incomplete technical information of the Soviet Ye-152 developmental jet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7

The PLAAF was founded with Soviet assistance on November 11, 1949,[3][4] shortly after the formation of the People's Republic of China. The PLA had operated few aircraft before that. The PLA's first organized air unit, the Nanyuan Flying Group, was formed only in the summer of 1949 from about 40 ex-Nationalist aircraft; its task was to defend Beijing, the nation's new capital.
The PLAAF fought the Korean War in Soviet-built MiG-15, known as the J-2 in Chinese service, with training from Soviet instructors. The war also brought Soviet assistance for the indigenous aircraft industry. The Shenyang Aircraft Factory built the two-seat MiG-15UTI trainer as the JJ-2,[5] and during the war manufactured various components to maintain the Soviet-built fighters. This prepared them to mass produce derivatives of Soviet aircraft under license, starting with the J-5 (MiG-17) in 1956,[6] then the J-6 (MiG-19) in 1959,[7] and then the J-7 (MiG-21) in 1967.[7]
The 1960s were a difficult time for the PLAAF. The withdrawal of Soviet aid due to the Sino-Soviet split, and the prioritization of the missile and nuclear weapon programs, caused the industry to markedly decline through 1963. A recovery began around 1965 as J-2s, J-5s, and some J-6s were provided to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War. Development of the J-8, China's first indigenous fighter, was also initiated during the 1960s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Liberation_Army_Air_Force
 
Moreover , Chinese Airforce are not capable of reaching indian border/conflict zone that time but IAF can easily since it was close by.


Its USA that advise Indian for not going with Airforce, and india gone buy these from US.

After that india never believed to US again and always gone by always its own assessment. The fall out that US lost its all value in Indian system. No indian intelligence now believe US even they were right also.
 
Excellent comments. Let me highlight some of the aspects that one can discern about India's strategy for China.

China’s defence effort is much bigger than that of India. This can pose a potent threat to India.

A major geographical imbalance places many of India’s political and economic centres close to the Himalayan Ranges. Particularly Siliguri Corridor places India in a delicate position if there is uncertainty in the area.

Contrarily, almost all of China’s economic and political centres of gravity are in Eastern China though Tibet certainly is a sensitive region.

China has carried out major improvements in her logistical infrastructure in areas close to Indian border.



China is unlikely to embark on any major adventure to disturb the status-quo along the border in the near to mid-term future.

Indians feel that the Chinese would be able to deploy about 33 Divisions against them which indeed is a potent threat.

The Indians feel that as Chinese and Indian interests clash, Chinese may enhance military presence and may initiate support to insurgent groups in disputed areas.

The Chinese could also use Burmese territory to extend threat and may use Bay of Bengal for limited projection of power.

India is likely to follow a strategy of dissuasive defence. However, as dissuasion being a comparatively weaker option, it will be coupled with strategic offensive capability having a potent deterrence.

Indians are putting due emphasis on improved logistics infrastructure while reducing the teeth to tail ratio.

To gain appropriate warning time, India is enhancing its integrated surveillance capability linked with satellite based surveillance. Improved intelligence acquisition capability in particular collusion with Americans.

good analysis, you almost spoke out my mind. i did not want to comment on the strategic disuassion on the forum but you covered that very well. The most important point is that india is doing a boot strap act on getting its act ready on time.That will be sucking some real solid cash outflows. If only one can manage the financial outlays so as to benefit industry, upgradae NE infra and also import critical gaps in a holistic and time bound manner then we will be OK....
 
If we spread nuke tech at will, south Korea will be blown away by Jin 3.ICBM tech is the core interest of china, won't be easily transferred.


He did the opposite of he was saying. Forget that war,let us bring in the new threshold.

Can you please give some information about why the ICBM tech will not be proliferated , as China still not in the MTCR and have a recored of assisting in development of missiles/ nuclear tech of Pakistan....BTW Nort Korea has decent missile tech to take on South Korea , so why will yu neeed to spread nuke tech around find another foe of South Korea and then blow her away....???
 

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