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Of course there are people who likes us, but you can't deny that the others are okay with being enemies with us as long as it doesn't touch their interests. I don't know any Arabic, that's right. But I'm not blind as well, I can see what's going on.
All those countries that you look down, are the result of our defeat in WWI first and foremost. And those, who stood by us (despite all the sh*ty politics, Ottoman Empire has been following in Turkey, and in many parts of the empire), got their fair share of defeat in politics and influence. Luckily, we had Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and a chance to fight our enemies back. Today, we are trying something else and I wouldn't call it Ummah or The Protector of The Opressed. I hope, we succeed because it's tough one.
 
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All those countries that you look down, are the result of our defeat in WWI first and foremost. And those, who stood by us (despite all the sh*ty politics, Ottoman Empire has been following in Turkey, and in many parts of the empire), got their fair share of defeat in politics and influence. Today, we are trying something else and I wouldn't call it Ummah or The Protector of The Opressed. I hope, we succeed.
I hope we succeed too; but unfortunately about 30-40 percent of our country thinks we are destined to become the protector of Ummah and the opressed no matter what is the situation for our country. According to their logic, it doen't matter if we are broke or unable to defend ourselves; we are destined to become the protector of the ummah...
 
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I hope we succeed too but unfortunately about 30-40 percent of our country thinks we are destined to become the protector of Ummah and the opressed no matter what is the situation for our country. According to their logic, it doen't matter if we are broke or unable to defend ourselves; we are destined to become the protector of the ummah...
You have a different point of view regarding protection of our country. I understand but still, wouldn't decrease our fight to such lovely titles. Lastly, it's a fight. There will be people standing by us, and people standing against us. You will hear those, who stand against us louder than those, who stand by us because the power is in their favor but daily under risk.
 
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You have a different point of view regarding protection of our country.
I do, I know that we are in a difficult geography but to me, the best defence is playing your cards safe, not risky. With that what I'm trying to say is that of course we will try to benefit from some opportunities; but the priority should be having at least normal relations with everybody, not gaining enemies like the AKP did until 4 years ago.
Lastly, it's a fight. There will be people standing by us, and people standing against us.
I know, I'm not against a fight. Having a fight from time to time will keep you fit. But you can't deny that we had a disastrous foreign policy until 4 years ago and we still make terrible mistakes like the S-400 deal. As I said, having a fight from time to time will make you fit. But firstly we helped the US to bring a civil war in Syria, then helped again against Gaddafi (which we were about to sign a deal for EEZ), broke our relations with Israel only to defend Palestine (which stands side-by-side with almost all of our enemies), broke our relations with N.African countries, were very late to join in the battle for Libya, put our army in Syria only to be stuck in it, lost our chances to buy 5. gen.fighters only to buy an ADS that will work standalone(which made our Airforce weaker for the next 10-15 years). This could go on for pages but it seems we still don't get any lessons from it. The best defence is playing your cards safe and take the opportunity when it's not too risky...
 
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I do, I know that we are in a difficult geography but to me, the best defence is playing your cards safe, not risky. With that what I'm trying to say is that of course we will try to benefit from some opportunities; but the priority should be having at least normal relations with everybody, not gaining enemies like the AKP did until 4 years ago.

I know, I'm not against a fight. Having a fight from time to time will make you fit. But you can't deny that we had a disastrous foreign policy until 4 years ago and we still make terrible mistakes like the S-400 deal. As I said, having a fight from time to time will make you fit. But firstly we helped the US to bring a civil war in Syria, then helped again against Gaddafi (which we were about to sign a deal about EEZ), broke our relations with Israel only to defend Palestine (which stands side-by-side with almost all of our enemies), broke our relations with N.African countries, were very late to join in the battle for Libya, put our army in Syria only to be stuck in it, lost our chances to buy 5. gen.fighters only to buy an ADS that will work standalone(which made our Airforce weaker for the next 10-15 years). This could go on for pages but it seems we still don't get any lessons from it.
US would never give you an F-35, only with Gulen on top of the country. Israel is sneaky, much more dangerous than an entity called Palestine can ever be. I believe that we did not break relations with that country because of Palestine, not that simple. Only thing I disagree with the foreign policy is our relations with Russia regarding Syria, I am not that happy with the speed of military developments as well, I have to admit but neither these nor foreign policy are my profession. Many would disagree but I see good days ahead.
 
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US would never give you an F-35, only with Gulen on top of the country. Israel is sneaky, much more dangerous than an entity called Palestine can ever be. I believe that we did not break relations with that country because of Palestine, not that simple. Only thing I disagree with the foreign policy is our relations with Russia regarding Syria, I am not that happy with the speed of military developments, I have to admit but neither these nor foreign policy are my profession. Many would disagree but I see good days ahead.
In terms of economically-militarily or in general?
 
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All those countries that you look down, are the result of our defeat in WWI first and foremost. And those, who stood by us (despite all the sh*ty politics, Ottoman Empire has been following in Turkey, and in many parts of the empire), got their fair share of defeat in politics and influence. Luckily, we had Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and a chance to fight our enemies back. Today, we are trying something else and I wouldn't call it Ummah or The Protector of The Opressed. I hope, we succeed because it's tough one.
Why do you think its fair that a country should rule people completely different then them? You see Arabs wanting to rule Turkey? No? I thought so, because we all don't want to act like we are in the 1400s politically.
 
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Why do you think its fair that a country should rule people completely different then them? You see Arabs wanting to rule Turkey? No? I thought so, because we all don't want to act like we are in the 1400s politically.
Nobody will appoint a Turkish governor in Mecca, don't worry lol
 
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Nobody will appoint a Turkish governor in Mecca, don't worry lol
Just saying, its your and many other Turks wish of regional dominance in the 21st century. Erdogan reminds me somewhat of someone 70 something years ago named Benito.
 
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Just saying, its your and many other Turks wish of regional dominance in the 21st century. Erdogan reminds me somewhat of someone 70 something years ago named Benito.
Not interested in bullshit.
 
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they are creating enemy, but with the wrong country. They are raped by west but focusing on Turkey:-)...
They can kiss goodbye to their power in case they choose to attack the West. I think Western countries already have candidates to replace the current leaderships to rule these fools like @Philip the Arab
 
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