Twin Engine JF-17 as per MODP Report

[The Eagle]

or evolution of design same as the evolution of single engine M-2000 to twin engine M-4000

It quotes and infact I noted sometimes on the Forum as well; JF-17 brought us the ability of evolution. Revolution was done when we started and had the block-1 so comes the evolution which warrants dedication, skill set, hard work and consistency as well. I agree on evolution part but PAC will be first to introduce a twin engine new bird based on revolution of JF-17 and still call it same. That's what confused me. F-16 is a single engine same like J-10 so if either of these platforms have twin engines as an evolution, will we still call it by the same name? However, your reference makes sense as that remained a Mirage nonetheless 4000.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

A twin engine JF-17 has been developed under head of "Design Improvement".


A.totally different design from it's natural appearance is not a new block but a different plane. They are still quoting it as a JF-17 but a twin engine, points towards some deliberate or innocent errors in report.

If it was about dual seater, then the design has been developed looong time ago. Its production is also almost complete now. This may well be a new twin engined aircraft.
Although the name may be undecided so jf17 for now …

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

this time MODP report is strange, format of the report is changed completely & it seems information is censored & deliberate misinformation is planted in this report as per policy.

though an off-topic but another strange info mention in the report
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now why do we need to get TOT for the assembly of T-80UD ... ???

PA is not importing T-80UDs in CKDs kits nor T-80UD is in production in Ukraine.

That or it's badly written, like really badly written.

I suspect the "rebuild of T-80UD and ToT for its assembly" refers to the re-build/upgrade kits. It's similar to how HIT is carrying out the upgrades for the T-85 locally using kits from China. I guess they're tuning up HIT so that they can handle upgrade kits from Ukraine.

Anyways, guys, this is an official government report. This report, everyone, is a representation of our policymaking to the whole world.

 

[The Eagle]

If it was about dual seater, then the design has been developed looong time ago. Its production is also almost complete now. This may well be a new twin engined aircraft.
Although the name may be undecided so jf17 for now …

Agreed. Dual Seater is not the case here. Also, Design Improvement header says that TWIN ENGINE JF-17 HAS BEEN DEVELOPED.

 

[JamD]

"ye saray ham ko pagal bana rahay hain..."

 

[Shotgunner51]

It quotes and infact I noted sometimes on the Forum as well; JF-17 brought us the ability of evolution. Revolution was done when we started and had the block-1 so comes the evolution which warrants dedication, skill set, hard work and consistency as well. I agree on evolution part but PAC will be first to introduce a twin engine new bird based on revolution of JF-17 and still call it same. That's what confused me. F-16 is a single engine same like J-10 so if either of these platforms have twin engines as an evolution, will we still call it by the same name? However, your reference makes sense as that remained a Mirage nonetheless 4000.

If the RD-93 is replaced by two low-thrust engine (say AL-222 on L-15, combined thrust also at 8.4 tons) then it can marginally be called a JF-17 variant. But if two RD-93 are used (like in Mig-29/35) then the air frame could be so different that it can hardly be called a variant anymore, it becomes a different jet.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I have a theory.

This is an elaborate ploy to set the stage for FC-31 / J-35 / J-21.

 

[The Eagle]

If the RD-93 is replaced by two low-thrust engine (say AL-222 on L-15, combined thrust also at 8.4 tons) then it can marginally be called a JF-17 variant. But if two RD-93 are used (like in Mig-29/35) then the air frame could be so different that it can hardly be called a variant anymore, it becomes a different jet.

May be, back from future to 2021 to write a comment, we might be looking at 2 RD-93MA engines as well.

I have a theory.

There's a forum fanboi working for the MoDP. This fanboi always wanted to see a twin-engine JF-17. Sick of people like @JamD and @Deino crapping on his ideas, this guy decided to force the PAF's hand by writing it in the MoDP report. Now, the PAF, annoyed of people on this forum criticizing its marketing isn't going to take back the doc to retract or edit those details. So, what does it do? It decides to develop a fricken twin-engine JF-17.

That, folks, is how we'll see a twin-engine JF-17.

I. Not claiming but a twin engine JF-17 will be in the arena so soon that, nobody will talk about those J-16Ds anymore.

 

[JawadKKhan]

Spellings / Grammar mistakes is the hallmark of Pakistani officials. Can give 100s of examples from official websites / brochures / banners. This is just one another.

Probably they wanted to say:
- Second type of engine is developed ? (but that should be in China )
- 2 Engines overhauled ?.

OR perhaps are talking about AZM (design phase)

Fitting Twin engines in the JF-17 frame is impossible unless it becomes entirely different thing.

 

[JamD]

I have a theory.

This is an elaborate ploy to set the stage for FC-31 / J-35 / J-21.

That's not a half bad guess you know.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

this time MODP report is strange, format of the report is changed completely & it seems information is censored & deliberate misinformation is planted in this report as per policy.

though an off-topic but another strange info mention in the report
View attachment 802980

now why do we need to get TOT for the assembly of T-80UD ... ???

PA is not importing T-80UDs in CKDs kits nor T-80UD is in production in Ukraine.

Indigenous development of VT4 Gun barrel.
Guess what the fk that means.

 

[Trango Towers]

I have a theory.

This is an elaborate ploy to set the stage for FC-31 / J-35 / J-21.

My theory is someone thought let's troll India and PDF in one hit

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

My theory is someone thought let's troll India and PDF in one hit

The issue is that India has plenty of projects to look forward to, e.g., TEBDF, ORCA, and AMCA.

If we wrote something like, "integrated Western GaN AESA radar to JF-17"...now that would troll India.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

My theory is someone thought let's troll India and PDF in one hit

The guy who wrote it and the one who gave a go ahead are both idiots to say the least.
@HRK No mention of the indigenous Arty gun or the P series missile etc?

 

[ARMalik]

You guys had nothing else to do so you started criticising MoDP for a "SUPPOSED TYPO"?? MoDP is not your local police station or a jahil sitting in an office or typical illiterate Journalist. These people in MoDP are as professional as you can get, and I can guarantee their communication skills are better than 99% sitting on this forum. No joke.