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Twilight Of The Taliban : TTP Buckles Under Internal Fissures, External Pre

ISLAMABAD:
The twilight of the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) – an outlawed umbrella of militant groups – appears to have set in.
The group responsible for most violence in the country is in disarray with its ‘chain of command’ crumbling, funds dwindling and infighting intensifying, admit Taliban foot soldiers.
“It appears the TTP’s days are numbered … what was a well-coordinated militia just a year ago has fragmented now and dozens of splinters groups have emerged,” a disgruntled member of the network told The Express Tribune.
At least two associates of the group in South Waziristan, the strongest bastion of TTP where its chief Hakimullah Mehsud is hiding, also confirmed this.
They said Mehsud has further isolated himself due to threats to his life from the dreaded American drones and Pakistani spy agencies.
“He is virtually a lonely man running for his life … he is always on the move and doesn’t meet even his once most-trusted lieutenants,” said Muhammad, a nom de guerre because the militants seldom use their real names.

Muhammad, who lives in the North Waziristan tribal region, was in Islamabad for the treatment of some kidney ailment at a private clinic. Mehsud has stopped meeting members of his notorious network from Punjab, better known as Punjabi Taliban, suspecting that some of them might be spying on him for Pakistani agencies.
“This is one of the reasons for relative peace in the country … there is no coordination among various groups of the Taliban,” said an intelligence official. There has been a visible decline in the Taliban violence in the country over the past few months.
The TTP associates said that their group was crumbling due to differences on the question of pursuing peace talks with the government — an option Mehsud had rejected outright when he was first approached with the offer.
One the other hand, several key TTP leaders have responded positively to peace overtures from the Pakistani agencies. TTP’s deputy chief in South Waziristan Mufti Waliur Rehman and the group’s No 2, Maulvi Faqir Muhammad from Bajaur Agency, are reportedly in talks with the government, indirectly though. Officially, both the government and the TTP deny peace talks.
Muhammad claimed that several members of the TTP shura, or decision-making council, have also showed willingness for talks. He added that the shura, which once had around three dozen senior leaders, has now shrunk to less than 10.
“People are now deserting Mehsud and joining the group led by Waliur Rehman,” he said, adding that the latter’s group is becoming more powerful.
No more money
Apart from differences within, supply of foot soldiers to the TTP is also drying up fast, said Muhammad who himself has given up violence to start a small business in his village.
“They (foot soldiers) are deserting because it no longer earns them money,” said Raqeebullah Mehsud, a former TTP field commander.
Intelligence officials are claiming the credit for the TTP’s imminent collapse, saying it was their squeeze that had played a key role in blocking funds supply to the Taliban. But experts like Brigadier (Retd) Muhammad Saad believe that TTP’s inability to generate money might be the result of what has been happening behind closed doors in Afghanistan in the recent past.
“There have been reports that the Afghan Taliban are actively engaged in peace talks,” he added.
Saad said that the war in Afghanistan was the main source of funds for the TTP “but it may not be the case anymore”.
But Brigadier (Retd) Mehmood Shah, another security analyst based in Peshawar, said it won’t be fair to deny the Pakistani agencies credit for the isolation and subsequent rupture in the ranks of the TTP.
“Much of this happened due to their (Pakistani agencies) maneuvers,” he said.

Twilight of the Taliban : TTP buckles under internal fissures, external pressure – The Express Tribune
 
This happened even before they offered talks and we thought they have become weak so we rejected that offer and continued with our arrogance and also being partner of america in his dirty war and the result was thousands more Suicide Bombings in Pakistan resulting of death of thousands in Pakistan even Army says they haven't defeated the Taliban they have just pushed them back and they can return when ever Army pulls out of these areas and that we all know will be a complete disaster
 
i think we should just put sharia law in pakistan.
*yawn*
 
The trouble is due to the insincerity from the Afghan side, once some 400 of these scum bags emerged from Afghani side and attacked Pakistani posts.... ironically 400 men with guns blazing went unnoticed by the US and NATO, considering that the Americans are well known to decimate a whole wedding party since some one fired into air. !!
 
The Express Tribune: Why am I not surprised by the source?

I remember after baitullah was killed in an american drone strike, our news agencies said the same thing... wali ur rehman and hakimulla are fighting etc etc.. even shaitan malik came on TV and said it.. the very next day ttp released a video showing each other togather. lols

anyways, peace talks and its result could be true.. or there is peace maybe because we have stopped drones and nato supplies :D
 
Still Pakistan Army & ISI should work more furiously & keep hunting these animals, they must not be given chance to regroup or re strengthen themselves, we all need a peaceful 2012 which will be the beginning of peaceful, mighty & prosperous future Pakistan.
 
This happened even before they offered talks and we thought they have become weak so we rejected that offer and continued with our arrogance and also being partner of america in his dirty war and the result was thousands more Suicide Bombings in Pakistan resulting of death of thousands in Pakistan even Army says they haven't defeated the Taliban they have just pushed them back and they can return when ever Army pulls out of these areas and that we all know will be a complete disaster

As far as i know Pakistan already made a peace deal with these animals in early 2009 but these @$$ho1e$ didn't stuck to it & start capturing other agencies/districts & their cruelty in Swat & Bajaur, who can deny that? This will be stupid idea to even think of a peace deal with TTP, only thing govt can ask TTP is to surrender themselves otherwise launch a brutal crack down on their hideouts.
 
Our sacrifices in this WOT are paying off, and the results prove that these terrorists are nearing their end. Our mutual interests in the region encouraged us to stay united while overcoming many obstacles along the way. The terrorists continued to create hurdles for our forces by regularly disguising themselves among civilians and attacking our forces. But our will and resilience did not allow them to hamper our mission. The terrorists are still trying to take advantage of our situation, but we can all see that now would be the time for us to regroup and go after them with full force and eliminate the threat once and for all. We certainly do not want them to use the current situation to their benefit and gather any sort of momentum against our objectives. Therefore, the all important goal of defeating terrorism needs to prevail once again. We hope that our governments will shift their attention back towards our common enemies to keep the pressure on.

MAJ Nevers,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command
 
Has there been any evidence of action being taken to take out this factions? I would guess now its a matter of sending in teams in smaller numbers and taking out one group at a time.

We have always heard about Pakistan Army trying to hold territory, which it does till they regroup and fighting starts from square 1. Start finishing them off too.
 
Has there been any evidence of action being taken to take out this factions? I would guess now its a matter of sending in teams in smaller numbers and taking out one group at a time.

We have always heard about Pakistan Army trying to hold territory, which it does till they regroup and fighting starts from square 1. Start finishing them off too.

Asim - we have infiltrated them to such an extent - and played upon their ideological, tribal, ethnic, regional differences to such an extent - we have had full fledged fire fights between TTP factions that have resulted in dozens of fatalities and injuries.

The TTP in NWA and SWA are regularly heard complaining that they don't know who to trust. A classical divide and conquer operation.
 
Has there been any evidence of action being taken to take out this factions? I would guess now its a matter of sending in teams in smaller numbers and taking out one group at a time.

We have always heard about Pakistan Army trying to hold territory, which it does till they regroup and fighting starts from square 1. Start finishing them off too.

We dont need to take them down , They are doing our work for us .
 
ISLAMABAD:
The twilight of the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) – an outlawed umbrella of militant groups – appears to have set in.
The group responsible for most violence in the country is in disarray with its ‘chain of command’ crumbling, funds dwindling and infighting intensifying, admit Taliban foot soldiers.
“It appears the TTP’s days are numbered … what was a well-coordinated militia just a year ago has fragmented now and dozens of splinters groups have emerged,” a disgruntled member of the network told The Express Tribune.
At least two associates of the group in South Waziristan, the strongest bastion of TTP where its chief Hakimullah Mehsud is hiding, also confirmed this.
They said Mehsud has further isolated himself due to threats to his life from the dreaded American drones and Pakistani spy agencies.
“He is virtually a lonely man running for his life … he is always on the move and doesn’t meet even his once most-trusted lieutenants,” said Muhammad, a nom de guerre because the militants seldom use their real names.

Muhammad, who lives in the North Waziristan tribal region, was in Islamabad for the treatment of some kidney ailment at a private clinic. Mehsud has stopped meeting members of his notorious network from Punjab, better known as Punjabi Taliban, suspecting that some of them might be spying on him for Pakistani agencies.
“This is one of the reasons for relative peace in the country … there is no coordination among various groups of the Taliban,” said an intelligence official. There has been a visible decline in the Taliban violence in the country over the past few months.
The TTP associates said that their group was crumbling due to differences on the question of pursuing peace talks with the government — an option Mehsud had rejected outright when he was first approached with the offer.
One the other hand, several key TTP leaders have responded positively to peace overtures from the Pakistani agencies. TTP’s deputy chief in South Waziristan Mufti Waliur Rehman and the group’s No 2, Maulvi Faqir Muhammad from Bajaur Agency, are reportedly in talks with the government, indirectly though. Officially, both the government and the TTP deny peace talks.
Muhammad claimed that several members of the TTP shura, or decision-making council, have also showed willingness for talks. He added that the shura, which once had around three dozen senior leaders, has now shrunk to less than 10.
“People are now deserting Mehsud and joining the group led by Waliur Rehman,” he said, adding that the latter’s group is becoming more powerful.
No more money

Apart from differences within, supply of foot soldiers to the TTP is also drying up fast, said Muhammad who himself has given up violence to start a small business in his village.
“They (foot soldiers) are deserting because it no longer earns them money,” said Raqeebullah Mehsud, a former TTP field commander.
Intelligence officials are claiming the credit for the TTP’s imminent collapse, saying it was their squeeze that had played a key role in blocking funds supply to the Taliban. But experts like Brigadier (Retd) Muhammad Saad believe that TTP’s inability to generate money might be the result of what has been happening behind closed doors in Afghanistan in the recent past.
“There have been reports that the Afghan Taliban are actively engaged in peace talks,” he added.
Saad said that the war in Afghanistan was the main source of funds for the TTP “but it may not be the case anymore”.
But Brigadier (Retd) Mehmood Shah, another security analyst based in Peshawar, said it won’t be fair to deny the Pakistani agencies credit for the isolation and subsequent rupture in the ranks of the TTP.
“Much of this happened due to their (Pakistani agencies) maneuvers,” he said.
Published in The Express Tribune, December 19th, 2011.
Correction: Due to an editing error, an earlier version of the story mentioned Baitullah Mehsud as the current TTP chief. The current chief is Hakimullah Mehsud.

Twilight of the Taliban: TTP buckles under internal fissures, external pressure – The Express Tribune
 
fight till end dont give them breath or be happy on it if they are weak kick them hard once forever
 
death is there futur only.. soon , very soon.. i wanna see their blood..
 
Why are people getting excited about?

The TTP might have splintered into smaller groups but the problem of militancy still remains at large. Killing never eliminates deep rooted political problems unless you propose nuking them. The military is holding off areas for now but once they move back, these same militants will change names and come back to take revenge against the PA and govn't affiliated institutions. The viscious culture of revenge is integral part of their lives. Pakistan's strategy is very short-sighted as there is no political solution in place.

The tribal groups have taken up arms as a consequence and reaction to Musharaff's policies. They are still our people that went astray, we need to politically win them over and bring them back to reintegrate n resettle in their communities. UK resorted to political solution to disband the IRA after years of military maneuvers, but some people here think they are more advanced then the UK.

Weather the US leaves or not, they would want Pakistan to keep its hands drenched in the tribal areas, and let the economy bleed profusely so that it utimately comes down to its knees and give up the nukes.

I can (sadly) attest that there were many Urdu speakers in Karachi (a city where political parties use ethnic sentiments to trigger warfare) who were embroiled in the "gross misgeneralizations" of Pakhtuns & other ethnicities. Most of these "gross misgeneralizations" were borderline racist & ignorant, & had no semblance with reality. A lot of ignorance derives from the fact where people close themselves off from their surroundings by "building walls", & live in their own little world. This is not limited to Urdu speakers, but all liberal fascists residing in Pakistan. I thank Allah that although I was born in Karachi, I was raised in Punjab, & had a chance to interact with Punjabis, Pakhtuns & form close friendships with them, & did not have a skewed view of people that many people in Karachi have (I don't want to generalize like others do, but there are many people that act like this). It helped me form a much more nationalistic view, not giving preference to my religious & regional identity over my national one.

Likewise, there are huge 'misgeneralizations'/ignorant lies about Urdu speakers as well, from people that have probably not interacted with them on a personal level in an amicable environment.
The problem with urdu speakers is that they do not travel across Pakistan much. They have barricaded themselves, as you rightly admit, in Karachi and isolated from much of Pakistan's landscape. For ex, they would rather go to europe or mideast for a vacation but not the sawat valley, Murree, and other equally beautiful and peaceful areas in Pakistan. And political parties play their ethnic cards to get votes and ignore everyone. Few days ago i was watching Mubashar Luqman show where some MQM leader comes and says "Urdu speaking marrying a Punjabi? That's not even a possiblity" to a question. Which is quite pathetic really.
 

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