Turns out the "Aryan" invaded Europe :D

[PlugnPlay]

http://www.archaeology.org/news/532...gration?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

PALO ALTO, CALIFORNIA—Science reports that a new DNA study shows males belonging to a Bronze Age culture now known as the Yamnaya had a transformative impact on the European population. Prior to the Yamnaya migration, many prehistoric Europeans were descended from Neolithic farmers who migrated to Europe from Anatolia beginning around 9,000 years ago. Some 4,000 years later, the Yamnaya, herders who had mastered horseback riding and were likely speakers of Indo-European, left the Eurasian steppe and moved west into central Europe. To investigate the ratio of men to women who participated in these two migrations, Stanford University geneticists used a new statistical method to compare DNA from 20 skeletons belonging to people who lived after the arrival of Neolithic farmers and 16 who lived just after the Yamnaya migration. They found that equal numbers of men and women took part in the Neolithic population movement, but that there were some 10 men for every woman who participated in the Yamnaya migration. The finding is consistent with the theory that the Yamnaya who moved west were largely horse-mounted male warriors.

 

[Śakra]

No such thing as "Aryan Invasion Theory" and euros need to stop using our word to refer to themselves. God forbid they decide they like the word desi too and steal it from us.

 

[B2B]

AIT is the biggest bluff/flawed theory the whites formulated to denote their non existent supremacy.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Bunch of B.S.

 

[Samlee]

No such thing as "Aryan Invasion Theory" and euros need to stop using our word to refer to themselves. God forbid they decide they like the word desi too and steal it from us.

You Just Say That Because You Would Lose The "Moral High Ground" With Which You Taunt Us Muslims Of Being "Foreigners" and "Invaders"

 

[Śakra]

You Just Say That Because You Would Lose The "Moral High Ground" With Which You Taunt Us Muslims Of Being "Foreigners" and "Invaders"

HOW THE HELL ARE U A FOREIGNER IF YOU'RE INDIGENOUS TO THE LAND??

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

No such thing as "Aryan Invasion Theory" and euros need to stop using our word to refer to themselves. God forbid they decide they like the word desi too and steal it from us.

Aryan is persian for 'Noble'.

 

[Samlee]

HOW THE HELL ARE U A FOREIGNER IF YOU'RE INDIGENOUS TO THE LAND??

Hey Don' Ask Me Ask Your Local RSS Kar Sevaks and Dharm Yuddhis Who Call Us "Babur Ki Aulad"

 

[faithfulguy]

Indo European Aryans did pushed the original inhabitants of Europe out of the way. Their examples are the Walsh and Isle of Manns people of Britain and the Basque people of Spain.

So the same group of people that traveled to Europe also traveled to India and displaced the natives. In India, it's called Aryan invasion. It's clear and Sanskrit was brought to India. Only Hindu nationalist reject this fact based on national pride. But facts point to an Aryan invasion of India.

 

[Śakra]

Aryan is persian for 'Noble'.

No it isn't it's a SANSKRIT word meaning noble initially then referring to North Indians later on in relation to South Indians who were called Dasa.

 

[faithfulguy]

It's the old Nazi propaganda. Aryans were some 'super Homosaphs' and they migrated to different parts of the world creating civilizations.
If the tribal Indians were invaded by aryans? What happened to the Tribals? Most of the people on Indian subcontinent have similar genetic structure. If Aryans were so vast in numbers why they breed with the Tribals who were less advanced.
If such an invasion ever happened, why there is no reference to it in any epics in India.
Invasions are proud stories that to be transcended to generations right.

Sanskrit for Noble. Also referred to the same in Persian.

The caste system is the evidence of Aryan invasion. Also, I never said they were large in number. The lower caste and tribals were the natives that was conquered.

Unlike in Europe, where the natives were displaced, slaughtered or assimilated, Aryans in India created the caste system for both the conquered and the conquerer. As a result both groups survived separately to this day. As the number of invaders were not that big, they inevitably had to breed with the natives.

Since Sanskrit and Persian originated from the same language, Aryan have the same meaning. This is yet another example supporting Aryan invasion.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

The caste system is the evidence of Aryan invasion. Also, I never said they were large in number. The lower caste and tribals were the natives that was conquered.

Unlike in Europe, where the natives were displaced, slaughtered or assimilated, Aryans in India created the caste system for both the conquered and the conquered. As a result both groups survived separately to this day. As the number of invaders were not that big, they inevitably had to breed with the natives.

Since Sanskrit and Persian originated from the same language, Aryan have the same meaning. This is yet another example supporting Aryan invasion.

Many pre Modern societies had similar structure of Clergy , Nobles and Commoners .
Classic example of 3 Estates of Pre revolution French society .
Now who invaded Europeans

Caste derived from

" A casta (Spanish: [ˈkasta], Portuguese: [ˈkastɐ, ˈkaʃtɐ]) was a hierarchical system of race classification created by Spanish elites (españoles) in Hispanic America during the eighteenth century."

Sanskrit belongs to Indo Aryan Family .
Persian belongs to Avestan of Indo Iranian Family .

Indo Aryan and Indo Iranian belongs to Indo European which belongs to Mythical PIE language .

 

[faithfulguy]

If you don't like the term Aryan invasion, use Aryan migration. In any case, Sanskrit language was proven to be brought from outside of India into India. The homeland of Indo European language is between Caspian and Aral Sea. So Sanskrit originated from that area.

 

[Jaanbaz]

There was no Aryan invasion to India, maybe some migration did take place, ''Aryans'' also didn't destroy Indus Valley civilisation(it was the severe change in weather and drying up of river/s?), these lies were spread by some racist British colonists to divide and rule in South Asia.

Also If I'm not wrong Arya has nothing to do with ethnicity but for a title for religious or noble people? @Kashmiri Pandit

 

[kempe]

The caste system is the evidence of Aryan invasion. Also, I never said they were large in number. The lower caste and tribals were the natives that was conquered.

Unlike in Europe, where the natives were displaced, slaughtered or assimilated, Aryans in India created the caste system for both the conquered and the conquered. As a result both groups survived separately to this day. As the number of invaders were not that big, they inevitably had to breed with the natives.

Since Sanskrit and Persian originated from the same language, Aryan have the same meaning. This is yet another example supporting Aryan invasion.

Problems with Aryan Invasion theory :

1. There were no known large cultures, cities or civilizations in Central Asia that time. Thus, there were no large population to migrate enmasse. Archaeological evidence shows the migrations of merely dozens of people at any one time and nothing close to the millions required to alter the gene pool of the Indus Valley [the largest of civilizations in 1500 BCE].
2. Almost every conquering groups venerates their homeland in someway or at least keep some stories intact. The Arabs look to Mecca to pray. The Christians constantly sought to take back Jerusalem. Why did the invading Aryans not develop any mythology about their home land? Why did they not attempt to take over their home lands in central Asia? In fact, almost all Hindu scriptures venerate only India.
3. There are no archaeological or other big evidence to back this highly improbably theory.
   
   
   
   Conclusion of a scholarly work by a team of top historians (The Indo-Aryans of Ancient South Asia)
   
   

Genetics:

we find that the genetic distance between the various castes of north India and those of various Indian tribes and the south Indians is very, very small. In other words, almost all Indians [north and south] have quite close genetics

Also see: Indian ancestry revealed

Indians and Central Asians do have strong links, but it is equally likely for sparsely populated Central Asians to come via more denser regions [as tribes were moved around] than a billion nation people with very close genetics to all come from a few thousand people group in 3000 years.

There used to be plenty; but scientific revelations in the past decades have all but made this theory obsolete. Let us look at this evidence starting from Literature, which can be fused with latest scientific evidence to arrive at a latest possible date for the Migration- if it happened. Then we can look for scientific evidence of Migration ,

1. • Literature: First, the RigVeda. The geographical area of the Rug Veda (Rig Ved) is clearly delineated as North West India; there is no room for any doubt. It specifically mentions the Saraswati as between the Yamuna and the Sutlej, That can only be the Ghaggar river bed. Satellite imagery has established that this used to be a massive river system in the old days. The Rugved does not mention a drying Saraswati, clearly meaning that it must have been written well before 1900 - 2600 BC. There is no mention of either invasion or Migration in the Rugved; if any migration occured, it happened before 3000 BC - if at all. There is also no mention of a central asian landscape in the RugVed; it is specific in that it mentions the Kabul river to the west and the Ganga to the east. There is awareness of the Himalayas.
   • A Radio Metric Dating of the Indus Saraswati places the real age of this civilization to 7200 BC or thereabouts. This was announced by the ASI in an international conference on 5th November 2012. This also suggests that migration did not happen 3500 years ago, or even 9000 years ago.
   • Second, Genetics. a 2006 study clearly identifies that the Indian population has been generally stable for a very long time, and that there has been no major injection of Central Asian Genes for over 10000 years at least. So, if any migration did happen, it was long before settlements emerged, before domestication of the horse, before the Iron or Bronze ages. We are talking about hunter gatherers, small bands of nomads etc. The latest dating of the Indus Saraswati Civilization is 9000 years - as per Radio Metric Dating; the genetic evidence is older by this than 1000+ years at least.
   • The R1a1a gene mutation is found in North India and East Europeans, South Siberia, Tajikistan and North Eastern Iran, A study on this conducted in 2010 found that the oldest strain of the R1a1a branch was concentrated in the Gujarat-Sindh-Western Rajasthan region of India, suggesting that this was close to the origin of the genetic group. A mutation M458 is found in Europeans, but is not found at all in Asians. This M458 mutation is at least 8000 years old, thus lending credence to the observations above
     
     Based on Literary, Archeological as well as genetic evidence we can see there was no Aryan Invasion.
     
     References:
     1. The Land of the Seven Rivers - A Brief History of India's Geography;
     2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/... : Article on
     Separating the post-Glacial coancestry of European and Asian Y chromosomes within haplogroup R1a; Refer the bibliography of the book for Genetics research papers references
     3. Exploration in the Ghaggar Basin and excavations at Girawad, Farmana (Rohtak District) and Mitathal (Bhiwani District), Haryana, India.
     4. What India Should Know - Laxmikanthan and Devi
     5. Reconstructing Indian Population History - David Reich et al - 2009
     6. Polarity and Temporality of High-Resolution Y-Chromosome Distribution in India Sengupta at al - 2006
     7. A Prehistory of Indian Y Chromosomes Evaluating Demic diffusion scenarios - Sanghamitra Sahoo et al
     8. Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1 S Sharma at al 2009