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Even when smaller drone can carry a human ? o_O


I am not sure if you know anything about physic laws, this is not an fixed wing airplane. Lifting power is up to motor power and rotor angle/lenght.

Here is Sarp-L's specs o_O

http://www.aselsan.com.tr/tr-tr/basin-odasi/Brosurler/Silah-Sistemleri/SARP-L_TR.pdf

80kg without ammunition, it could make 100kg together with ammunition, barely heavier than that guy in the video above o_O I respect people's right of having lack of knowledge about something, but people do not have right to speak about something that they don't know.

You can not. At the level of our current technological knowledge, you will find facing two other major problems : Energy autonomy (insurmountable) and noise.




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You can not. At the level of our current technological knowledge, you will find facing two other major problems : Energy autonomy (insurmountable) and noise.

I know that it is so hard to make this drone hover more than 3 hours, and it will be so noisy. But it doesnt mean it cannot be done with these limitations. 200kg total weight of the drone can be lifted with 6 motor with 150.000gms for per motor (100kg is weapon payload, 100kg is skeleton, control unit, battery, antenna)

Even if it will be so noisy at 9000 feet altitute, this would be so useful against terrorist targets where enemy dont have advanced air defense lines.
 
Even when smaller drone can carry a human ? o_O


I am not sure if you know anything about physic laws, this is not an fixed wing airplane. Lifting power is up to motor power and rotor angle/lenght.

Here is Sarp-L's specs o_O

http://www.aselsan.com.tr/tr-tr/basin-odasi/Brosurler/Silah-Sistemleri/SARP-L_TR.pdf

80kg without ammunition, it could make 100kg together with ammunition, barely heavier than that guy in the video above o_O I respect people's right of having lack of knowledge about something, but people do not have right to speak about something that they don't know.
A - That drone is a lot bigger than what you have posted.
B - Even if you manage to get the gun in the air the battery life will barely be enough to do a operation with it.
C - The recoil problem is still not solved and will probably not gonna get solved since you have nothing to counter horizontal forces like a fixed wing plane. Now you will probably take gun ships as exsample since you are so smart but keep in mind the weight ration between the aircraft and the gun producing the recoil.
 
I know that it is so hard to make this drone hover more than 3 hours, and it will be so noisy. But it doesnt mean it cannot be done with these limitations. 200kg total weight of the drone can be lifted with 6 motor with 150.000gms for per motor (100kg is weapon payload, 100kg is skeleton, control unit, battery, antenna)

Even if it will be so noisy at 9000 feet altitute, this would be so useful against terrorist targets where enemy dont have advanced air defense lines.

So how do you fix latency issues, even RWS that is hard wired have noticeable latency.. Getting a UAV with a Cannon on it to send/recieve imagery and command data via a wireless connection would be impractical. Some sort of semi-autonomous targeting system would have to be developed, and then there's possibility that the SA-AI would not be able distinguish from civilian/friend/foe... Highly impractical to have a weapon station, better to have couple Cirit missiles.. atleast there's a higher probability of neutralising a target with a missile.. then having a slew 7mm projectiles maybe hitting a target..
 
A - That drone is a lot bigger than what you have posted.
B - Even if you manage to get the gun in the air the battery life will barely be enough to do a operation with it.
C - The recoil problem is still not solved and will probably not gonna get solved since you have nothing to counter horizontal forces like a fixed wing plane. Now you will probably take gun ships as exsample since you are so smart but keep in mind the weight ration between the aircraft and the gun producing the recoil.
A) Sorry, nope. Check other timelines of the video i posted above, you can make a comparision of the width of the drone and width of the person, than compare it with the Star Wars drone picture in previous page.
B) I know the limitation of the operation time, its possible to increase operation time to 3 hours, but increase it to 5-6 hours is not simple. It could still be useful against Terrorist targets in cities/or open field though.
C) Recoil wouldn't be a big problem though, if we use 7.62mm gun on Sarp-L. 12mm would be a bad choice on 200kg air platform.

So how do you fix latency issues, even RWS that is hard wired have noticeable latency.. Getting a UAV with a Cannon on it to send/recieve imagery and command data via a wireless connection would be impractical. Some sort of semi-autonomous targeting system would have to be developed, and then there's possibility that the SA-AI would not be able distinguish from civilian/friend/foe... Highly impractical to have a weapon station, better to have couple Cirit missiles..

Well my only experience with drones was amateur small RC planes so i have no idea of latency issue of the drones that as far away as 150km :lol: But Aselsan's Sarp system has pretty good targeting system on it;


The advantage of rotatory wing drones, it doesnt have to move while targeting the enemy units. It can basicly hover 2 km above the target, and lock on the enemy unit. For example, check this video;


watch after 0:19. Helicopter takes footage of the terrorists in the streets, but couldn't engage (possibly police helicopter). So you have to send one attack chopper to there to neutralise them, and if chopper got hit you will lose tens of millions usd. Instead, if you have small drone that can carry Sarp-L like i mentioned, you send few of them and you dont only take footage of the terrorists, but engage them with weapon station and neutralise them.

You cant use Bayraktar or ANKA UAV for this mission since they are fixed wing aircrafts and they travel fast, they would pass the target in few seconds and will lose the view angle of the streets in miliseconds, let alone engaging the targets with guided munitions which would hit the buildings around the street instead of real targets, since the street is so narrow o_O

Mentioned drone is so cheap, could be as cheap as 4-5 UMTAS missile price. So if you lose it, it won't be a big problem in economic side, and there wont be any pilot loss.

Same example can be given for FSA's assoult on Tel-Rifat. They ambushed earth barriers of PKK, they lost dozens of fighters and few armored vehicles to PKK because they didnt have any capability to hit the enemy targets from above. You can send few drones even if SAA or Russia don't allow you to, since the possible loss of the drones isnt a big deal, and they would be a game changer since they easily hunt the terrorists behind the earth barriers.
 
Even civilians can make a simple version of what Oguz is suggesting:


IMO, a grenade launcher with 10kg of nades with a fixed launcher and lightweight optics would be easily doable with current technology and very effective against rats, have reasonable flight time and not too big.
 
Even civilians can make a simple version of what Oguz is suggesting:


IMO, a grenade launcher with 10kg of nades with a fixed launcher and lightweight optics would be easily doable with current technology and very effective against rats, have reasonable flight time and not too big.
This video is a known fake.
 
The guy in that video told that the video was fake. But someone actually tried to make something like this :D


But this is kindly irrelevant with what i mentioned, capability of the weapon station is relevant with the payload capacity of the drone, and it is up to drone's lifting capacity, which is connected to motor rpm, propellant's shape/lenght/number. For example, here is the possible stats for one 12Volt 15000rpm DC motors with Aeronaut 14x8 propellant;

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which has 116.17 Nm lift, 16 of them would has 185.872 kg lift thrust at 2km altitute. It is all about drone's lifting power.
 
Even when smaller drone can carry a human ? o_O


I am not sure if you know anything about physic laws, this is not an fixed wing airplane. Lifting power is up to motor power and rotor angle/lenght.

Here is Sarp-L's specs o_O

http://www.aselsan.com.tr/tr-tr/basin-odasi/Brosurler/Silah-Sistemleri/SARP-L_TR.pdf

80kg without ammunition, it could make 100kg together with ammunition, barely heavier than that guy in the video above o_O I respect people's right of having lack of knowledge about something, but people do not have right to speak about something that they don't know.

you need smaller caliber gun maybe much less than 9mm would work better.. for excample .22lr rounds beause of recoil.. and some stability system in software and hardware against the recoil.. this should work but I think it would not be much accurate if you fire full auto with bigger rounds..

pkk is not armored like US soilders.. it would be enough

but I would prefer rockets against armored vehicles or a groub of ppl this should be a nasty surprise and could also help against suicide vehicles..

I would prefer some tablet remote controlled wheeled sniper robots (+ 40mm granade launcher let it have 30 rounds) this must be annoying and moral killing for our enemies..

look at this insane russian guy sorry fake :(

 
Who said that vid is fake. That russian guy is famous on utube. i dont think its fake
 

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