Turkish Unmanned Vehicle Programs

[Nosferatu]

A little hint: the engine is havier than the previous one.

 

[-SINAN-]

A little hint: the engine is havier than the previous one.

Source ?

 

[xenon54 out]

Changed it's place...? Hımm....yeah it seems Flir, come to forward a little bit. But for what reason.....

Probably for better balance but it also looks like they made it more aerodynamic.

 

[GOKHAN TAYLAN]

 

[Kutsanan]

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if its official this huge step for us. 44 hours with 8 missile WOW. Looks like they are years ahead from TAI.

 

[era_shield]

if its official this huge step for us. 44 hours with 8 missile WOW. Looks like they are years ahead from TAI.

That's at 20k feet though. Anka's numbers might be for 200kg payload at 30k feet. You have to compare them at the same altitude and payload.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

You have to compare them

Respect to Bayraktar.

There is a hype around BAYRAKTAR and unfortunately a campaign against TAI-Anka .
TAI is proceeding as agreed and will be 100 % national "Milli".

ANKA is a strategic airforce project, TurAf wants more and more e.g. Sat-Com, weapon load, SAR , higher altitude and longer endurance. And at least civil airspace certification.
That's very important cause ANKA will be operated in a joint program with SNC for a revolutionary intelligence gathering project "Called Data Fusion" and has to fly in civil airspace and avoid crash.

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Turkey's Anka to Get New Engine - UAS VISION

Turkey’s procurement agency, the Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM), signed in December 2012 a contract with TEI to produce five prototype engines for the Anka. The design, production and certification tests would take four years, according to the contract.

TEI has created a task force among its more than 200 design engineers to build a new engine for the Anka, Turkey’s indigenously developed drone, and some TEI engineers are working with GE Aviation’s engine designers in Turkey.

The program became more important when the expected engine provider became bankrupt and was bought by a company that would not provide the engines. According to Defense News TEI officials said foreign sales could be possible within two years after the engine passes performance tests with the Anka. A procurement official said engine exports may not be limited to the US.

- See more at: Turkish Company To Build New Anka Engine - i-HLS Israel Homeland Security

Please read : From 2015

The Royal Australian Air Force will fly its Heron Unmanned Aerial System (UAS) in civilian airspace for the first time in June, after signing a Memorandum of Agreement with Australia’s airspace control body, Airservices Australia.

Australian Herons to Operate in Civil Airspace - UAS VISION

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Bayraktar is a tactical drone. For Police and Gendarme, maybe also for Land Forces Command.
Apple and Peas.
They have no certification problems cause it can only fly in closed NOTAM airspace,
it has no civil airspace certification.

I was wondering when I visited some serious Turkish Defence forums today
and did read that even respected Arda M. joined that hype and wrote that TB2 is 93 % national "Milli"
(exact the sentence in TB-2 - PR Bayraktar Video) national, except Gimbal and Datalink equipment.
Now I want to ask him from here.
What about engine ( Austria Rotax engine and other equipment, actuators and other parts e.g. MC) ?
How much "Milli" is it if he subtracts Gimbal, Datalink, Engine and some other parts ?

It was not wise to demonstrate the weaponized TB-2 !
I don't want to be the devils advocate but worse things could happen.

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@Bismarck

 

[bedbin]

Wow, they can make a tilt-rotor UAV but they can't make a decent website?

as a developer making unique and clean website is harder than to make an uav. Just saying.

 

[BordoEnes]

as a developer making unique and clean website is harder than to make an uav. Just saying.

As a fellow developer i second that. Though my programming skills aint that good as they used to be. Programming and developing/coding sites is extremely easy for the average programmer(assuming you know the basic languages such as PHP, Javascripts, MySql, HTML, CSS and etc). Programming software is fundementally different.

 

[bedbin]

As a fellow developer i second that. Though my programming skills aint that good as they used to be. Programming and developing/coding sites is extremely easy for the average programmer(assuming you know the basic languages such as PHP, Javascripts, MySql, HTML, CSS and etc). Programming software is fundementally different.

what i'm saying is "design" creating something from stracth. is totatly different. Yeah you may know programming, and use it on diferent projects etc. but desiigning something strach totally different. especially if we are talking about pixel perfect designs. just like super designed global hawk that can fly at 60k feet.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

http://file.setav.org/Files/Pdf/20151229170735_ihadesifre.pdf

Please use Google translator.

TAI was heavily criticed by politicians at a Panel :

Ben İsmail Safi, 24. Dönem İstanbul Milletvekiliyim. Özellikle TAİ ve TUSAŞ’ın temsilcisine ben burada sormak istiyorum; yani uzunca bir yıldır, 20 yıldır yaklaşık olarak bilmiyorum tabii, ama uzunca yıldır çalışıyorlar. 5 bin kişilik bir kadroları var, ama henüz ortaya koydukları maalesef çok somut bir netice yok. Yani sınırsız kaynak, 5 bin çalışan, ortada somut bir şey yok. Biraz önce Haluk Bey kendileri 110 kişiyle çalışıyorlar, küçük bir atölye, ben gördüm. Ama sonuçları ortada, ihracat yapıyorlar ve … seviyesine geçmişler, tam isabet sonuç alabiliyorlar. Buradan da bürokrasiden kaynaklı olabiliyor, başka sebepler olabiliyor, TAİ ve TUSAŞ’ın da ben açıkçası … buradaki gecikmenin nedenlerini merak ediyorum. :



But they answered very sovereign :

Biz burada TUSAŞ olarak tabii ki özeleştiri de yapabiliriz. Biz kendimiz niye sahaya inmedik vesaire gibi birtakım şeyler yapabiliriz. Ama biz hakikaten bize verilen görevleri yerine getirmeye çalışarak bugünlere geldik. Şu anda da ANKA S, uçuşunu gördüğünüz ANKA S’dir aslında. Bunun donanım kısmı laboratuvarda şu anda test edilmektedir ve biz bunu ilk uçuşunu önümüzdeki sene ortasında yapıp 2017 başında ilk teslimatını yapacağız. Hakikaten üst seviyede bir ürün gidiyor. Ha şu anda … olsaydı, bunları da bugün itibariyle biz de sahaya indirebilirdik. Esasında bununla ilgili burada detaylara girmedim, birtakım çalışmalarımız bizlerin de var. Örneğin sinyal istihbaratı konusunda bizim de çalışmalarımız var, yine gizli birtakım projelerimiz var, burada en fazla o kadar söyleyebilirim. Gizli projelerle biz bundan 2-3 sene çok enteresan işler de yaptık, ancak maalesef bunları söyleme yetkim de yok, doğru olmadığını düşünüyorum.

Programming software is fundementally different.

Exact. Some companies take SDK kits and adapt already existent software and then announce it as ows software.
That's not real programming.

All who are interested should read this PDF.

http://file.setav.org/Files/Pdf/20151229170735_ihadesifre.pdf

As I said cause of restrictions some companies had to buy cameras and equipment via Ministry of Forest and others !

 

[DemirkanTR]

Congrats to Bayraktar! You're doing very good and make us proud!

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

To all friends and @Combat-Master @cabatli_53

NEVER misunderstand me .
I am also proud of Bayraktar and all developments in Türkiye.
Please understand my critics as "constructive" and never "destructive".
I want them to make synergy with Aselsan and despite competition with TAI or VESTEL also,
as Israel does for its nations PROFIT. ( Aselsan has also already little GimbaLs)

You will be also shocked if you read the export restrictions and what tricks the little companies had to do.
http://file.setav.org/Files/Pdf/20151229170735_ihadesifre.pdf

 

[Oublious]

 

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To all friends and @Combat-Master @cabatli_53

NEVER misunderstand me .
I am also proud of Bayraktar and all developments in Türkiye.
Please understand my critics as "constructive" and never "destructive".
I want them to make synergy with Aselsan and despite competition with TAI or VESTEL also,
as Israel does for its nations PROFIT. ( Aselsan has also already little GimbaLs)

You will be also shocked if you read the export restrictions and what tricks the little companies had to do.
http://file.setav.org/Files/Pdf/20151229170735_ihadesifre.pdf

I keep as much of my cynicism/skepticism on the Turkish Forums ;-)