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Psst here is some more ammo in your war against that crazy russian guy.

In May 1571, the 120,000-strong Crimean[1] and Turkish army (80,000 Tatar, 33,000 irregular Turks and 7,000 janissary) led by the khan of Crimea Devlet I Giray, and Big and SmallNogai hordes and troops of Circassians, bypassed the Serpukhov defensive fortifications on the river Oka, crossed the river Ugra and rounded the flank of the 6,000-man Russian army. The sentry troops of Russians were crushed by the Crimeans. Not having forces to stop the invasion, the Russian army receded to Moscow. The rural Russian population also fled to the capital.

The Crimean army devastated unprotected towns and villages around Moscow, and then set fire to suburbs of the capital.[2] Due to a strong wind, the fire quickly expanded. The townspeople, chased by a fire and refugees, rushed to northern gate of capital. At the gate and in the narrow streets, there was a crush, people "went in three lines went on heads one of another, and top pressed those who were under them".[citation needed] The army, having mixed up with refugees, lost order, and general prince Belsky died in a fire.

Within three hours, Moscow burnt out completely. In one more day, the Crimean army, sated with its pillage, left on the Ryazan road to the steppes. Contemporaries counted up to 80,000 victims of the invasion in 1571,[3] with 150,000 Russian taken as captives.[3] Papal ambassador Possevin testified of the devastation: he counted in 1580 no more than 30,000 inhabitants of Moscow, although in 1520 the Moscow population was about 100,000.[citation needed] See also Fire of Moscow (1571)).
 
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No, they are converting exam training centers of Gülen to schools but im not really familiar with the news about this, maybe sinan can tell more.

One thing us for sure, Gülen and AKP have war, but dont know why.
BTW: how can they do a coup if they allready have the might?:lol:
I feel that they are trying to expel everyone else from power and limit their power. It is kind of a coup :confused:
 
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I feel that they are trying to expel everyone else from power and limit their power. It is kind of a coup :confused:
Well, its kinda good that AKP is fighting them if you consider that someone outside of the goverment has also might in some govermental organs.
 
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Well, its kinda good that AKP is fighting them if you consider that someone outside of the government has also might in some governmental organs.
But, they are not doing so because of good will.:disagree: They know that these schools are one of the main money resources of Fethullah Gülen, and they want to gradually limit his power by limiting his money resources.
Anyway, We have a very bad experience of letting power to islamists in Iran, and elsewhere.
If they succeed to expel anyone else from power, they would turn the government into a complete totalitarian one, sooner than what you can imagine. :disagree:
 
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But, they are not doing so because of good will.:disagree: They know that these schools are one of the main money resources of Fethullah Gülen, and they want to gradually limit his power by limiting his money resources.
Anyway, We have a very bad experience of letting power to islamists in Iran, and elsewhere.
If they succeed to expel anyone else from power, they would turn the government into a complete totalitarian one, sooner than what you can imagine. :disagree:
Erdogan isnt islamist anyway, he didnt brought a one single religious law in 12 year, their god is money, they just use religion for their agenda.
 
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Erdogan isnt islamist anyway, he didnt brought a one single religious law in 12 year, their god is money, they just use religion for their agenda.
money is the god of all politicians and most of people ;)
Anyway, I know his type very well, he is exactly like reformists in Iran. As much as he gains power, he would more openly show his islamist thoughts ;) Anyway, he has limited alcohol, and has removed laws against hijab. Although he is obviously not like taliban or arabs, but , he is still considered to be an islamists, since he sees islam as a political tool. Anyway, you guys need to be careful these days, and I hope the best for you guys ;)
 
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money is the god of all politicians and most of people ;)
Anyway, I know his type very well, he is exactly like reformists in Iran. As much as he gains power, he would more openly show his islamist thoughts ;) Anyway, he has limited alcohol, and has removed laws against hijab. Although he is obviously not like taliban or arabs, but , he is still considered to be an islamists, since he sees islam as a political tool. Anyway, you guys need to be careful these days, and I hope the best for you guys ;)
Turks tasted democracy they will never give it up.
 
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No, they are converting exam training centers of Gülen to schools but im not really familiar with the news about this, maybe sinan can tell more.

One thing us for sure, Gülen and AKP have war, but dont know why.
BTW: how can they do a coup if they allready have the might?:lol:

Cram schools are going to be closed.. So it would be devastating for Gulen movement....But i wonder, how did the things turned out this way..... what was the starting point.

Turks tasted democracy they will never give it up.

Democracy has it faults.... just sayin bro.
 
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Turks tasted democracy they will never give it up.
Well, I hope so. Iranians tasted democracy for more than a decade after WWII and also after constitution revolution. constitution revolution, made us the second nation in Asia, after Japan, who had democracy and parliament. but, we thought that after gaining freedom and democracy, our democracy would last for good, but we were wrong. many many other nations did the same mistake as what we did, and lost their freedom. freedom and democracy are very fragile, my buddy; and opportunists can harm it easily if we let them to do whatever they want.
Anyway, I am interested to know what Fethullah Gülen, and his followers would do.

Democracy has it faults.... just sayin bro.
yes, but still democracy is the only reasonable solution to run a country.
It's not the best, but t is much better than totalitarianism.
 
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yes, but still democracy is the only reasonable solution to run a country.
It's not the best, but t is much better than totalitarianism.

Yeap.. if our country have more educated people like northern Europeans or if our people had more morality like Japanese or Koreans, it would work like a charm.
 
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Well, I hope so. Iranians tasted democracy for more than a decade after WWII and also after constitution revolution. constitution revolution, made us the second nation in Asia, after Japan, who had democracy and parliament. but, we thought that after gaining freedom and democracy, our democracy would last for good, but we were wrong. many many other nations did the same mistake as what we did, and lost their freedom. freedom and democracy are very fragile, my buddy; and opportunists can harm it easily if we let them to do whatever they want.
Anyway, I am interested to know what Fethullah Gülen, and his followers would do.

i can understand your worry, but akp is not that strict in religion. there were/are more islam oriented parties in Turkey, which are totally neglected to be honest, they, combined, only received ~3% of the total votes during the last election in 2011. trust me when i say that the majority of the akp would never ever allow someone to bring sharia to our nation.
 
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