Turkish Tanks Face ISIS at Syria border

[qamar1990]

so golf countrys in the air and turks at bottom that is so fine that our ppl should die or take the main risk..

I am against it.. for us it makes no sense attacking them why?
- they are binding PKK and pushtmerga in fight
- they are a thread to iran and a potentional south azerbaycan giver

I would only be satisfied to fight them if we get a buffer zone , if we take turkmen zones and then I would love to see a end and no futher fight against them..
but somehow there are reasons to fight them because they kidnapped our ppl and killed turkmen

be ashamed of yourself….

 

[KingWest]

Setting up u bufferzone, so the refugees in our big cities can go back to syria or Iraq. We cant deal with those large number of homeless people inside our cities anymore. Istanbul isnt what it is used to be anymore. We need to solve this problem, and if possible claim more land in Syria/iraq in the long run. Its a win-win situation. If we dont do this, the threat of IS / Kurdish uprisings in the long run will be worse.

+ We can let the NATO do all the air attacks etc. So our soldiers will be at minimal risk.

 

[Hakan]

This isn't only about refugees.

Enough said.

 

[KingWest]

This isn't only about refugees.

Enough said.

Yeah, but this would be the excuse to set up a buffer zone. How else would you try to sell this to the international community? If it is to attack IS/PKK/protect Turkmens..., than you would not need a bufferzone.

 

[Timur]

be ashamed of yourself….

I do not understand you please tell me why!

+ We can let the NATO do all the air attacks etc. So our soldiers will be at minimal risk

that is stupid you cannot rely on nato for air attacks, you have to support your ppl on ground with your own fleet for what do we have more than 200+ F16 ? but it is nice to have support from them more air attacks are better than less

Your basic infantry will become shish kebab for IS

I don't think so.. our soildiers wont become kebab they are motivated if you motivate them.. as if we would attack some random country wich did not harm us..

 

[Alienoz_TR]

I don't think so.. our soildiers wont become kebab they are motivated if you motivate them.. as if we would attack some random country wich did not harm us..

1) when you enter Syria, IS will attack from south. PKK will attack from east. You like being sandwiched?

2) Turkish soldiers will mix in local populace, will be prone to SVBIED or when traveling along the road to basic IED's. Casualties will mount each month.

3) Turkish soldiers are not accustomed to desert warfare. Pass Beyond border towns, you have unlimited desert to defend against. And when you enter the desert, you can be sure that you wont come back.

4) Turkish economy cannot handle another Syrian crisis. We are done economically.

 

[Hakan]

1) when you enter Syria, IS will attack from south. PKK will attack from east. You like being sandwiched?

2) Turkish soldiers will mix in local populace, will be prone to SVBIED or when traveling along the road to basic IED's. Casualties will mount each month.

3) Turkish soldiers are not accustomed to desert warfare. Pass Beyond border towns, you have unlimited desert to defend against. And when you enter the desert, you can be sure that you wont come back.

4) Turkish economy cannot handle another Syrian crisis. We are done economically.

I agree this is the end of the road especially when it comes to economy. I disagree with #3 because I think the Turkish army will have advantage in the desert because of the armoured vehicle the army has.

Also I would like to add to your list that Turkish soldiers dont have urban combat experience. The other guys know all of the tricks. Digging through walls, booby traps, sniping etc. Best thing is Turkey stays out of cities IMO.

Another thing: PYD has MILAN ATGMS.

Best thing to do is not allow any armed guys to come within a few kilometers of the border and if they do just blow them away with artillery. This is as good as a buffer zone.

Turkey can win no doubt but it depends on how much you want to pay and what you want to get out of it.

Yeah, but this would be the excuse to set up a buffer zone. How else would you try to sell this to the international community? If it is to attack IS/PKK/protect Turkmens..., than you would not need a bufferzone.

yeah its an excuse for other objectives.

 

[KingWest]

1) when you enter Syria, IS will attack from south. PKK will attack from east. You like being sandwiched?

2) Turkish soldiers will mix in local populace, will be prone to SVBIED or when traveling along the road to basic IED's. Casualties will mount each month.

3) Turkish soldiers are not accustomed to desert warfare. Pass Beyond border towns, you have unlimited desert to defend against. And when you enter the desert, you can be sure that you wont come back.

4) Turkish economy cannot handle another Syrian crisis. We are done economically.

PKK/IS will have their hands full fighting eachother. Desert warfare? Whats hard about that? Its not like they can hide or something?

+ Do you really think IS will have the guts to attack Turkey from the south?

 

[Alienoz_TR]

I agree this is the end of the road especially when it comes to economy. I disagree with #3 because I think the Turkish army will have advantage in the desert because of the armoured vehicle the army has.

You have desert camo on soldiers?
You have desert camo on vehicles?

They can spot your soldiers, vehicles from 5 km away. Prepare IED, then retreat to safe distance. Blow you and your vehicle, while filming your destruction. Then I watch you in youtube.

Can you provide air support? Your airbase is in Diyarbakir. Helos cannot reach in time. Planes cannot identify such small highly mobile forces. You got enough UAV to do reconnaisance all over Syria!?

Dont count on USA. They will cut and run after one month, leaving you alone.

 

[BronzePlaque]

What i wonder is; what will happen after ISIS is eradicated. I mean West is providing weapons to PYD(or only to Peshmerga forces in Northern Iraq?) Will they give them to West back after ISIS is finished or will we watch videos about our Tanks being destroyed by those Milan ATGMs on Youtube by PKK/PYD animals?

 

[Hakan]

You have desert camo on soldiers?
You have desert camo on vehicles?

They can spot your soldiers, vehicles from 5 km away. Prepare IED, then retreat to safe distance. Blow you and your vehicle, while filming your destruction. Then I watch you in youtube.

Can you provide air support? Your airbase is in Diyarbakir. Helos cannot reach in time. Planes cannot identify such small highly mobile forces. You got enough UAV to do reconnaisance all over Syria!?

Dont count on USA. They will cut and run after one month, leaving you alone.

I thought you were talking about their pickups but yeah IEDs can be placed easily like you said.

I think the UAV's only need to recon the areas where the soldiers are and the border because after the safe zones are setup you dont have to go out. One problem is that they will have random bombs going off all over turkey. Tourism and investment all gone. PKK will say Turkey invaded Rojava and that mess will start.

The future looks dark. To many things to list. Inshallah it all works out okay.

 

[KingWest]

Ofcourse the best option is to let IS massacre the PKK and vice verca untill eternity and beyond (y). (However, i really want those oil fields .. )

 

[usernameless]

What i wonder is; what will happen after ISIS is eradicated. I mean West is providing weapons to PYD(or only to Peshmerga forces in Northern Iraq?) Will they give them to West back after ISIS is finished or will we watch videos about our Tanks being destroyed by those Milan ATGMs on Youtube by PKK/PYD animals?

sooner or later it seems our country will have to get its hands dirty again, be it pkk or is. bufferzone is nice, but it might invite aggression from is/pkk (maybe also dressed as the other in order to stage a false flag). interesting times lie ahead.

 

[Neptune]

We cant protect our current border, we cant deal with city uprisings. How do you suggest we can take on IS?

That border is 900km. City uprisings? Because what differs us from Muslim World is Human Rights. We use Tear Gas, Water Cannons and plastic rounds against public instead of military firepower.

Warfare is not the thing you folks see everyday when playing FPS videogames.

IS has more than 50.000 fighters. Even Nusra and Ahrar es Sham joined them recently adding more than 2.000 fighters.
Deal with 5.000 men strong pkk first. Syria's future is ISIS. Accept it. Not worth of risking a single soldier.

If you said this with openmind,

Why ignorants like you guys can't differ Assymmetric Warfare from Conventional and Urban Warfare.

It is the soldier that the country risks for his people. That's the path we have chosen before getting in the whites and green. It's okay if the soldiers are "irrelevant" in the place where you come from.

I won't take my time to write a hell of a text to explain that manpower and PKK, IS thingy. You'll see. Because as for now, Turkish boots on the ground in Nothern Syria and Iraq is inevitable. You'll see.

Your basic infantry will become shish kebab for IS. Forget it, this isnt adventure game.

Even that basic infantry is supplied with $16,000 for each conscript is better than 70% of the rest of the world infantry units.

We have at leats 6 Cavalry Brigades. And as it was stated, 9000 Cavalry troops (3 brigade) will be used in this op with CAS and artillery support.

Damn dude. If these tanks at the border are M60 A1 then thats bad. I read online that the accuracy for the M60 A1 for a stationary tank sized target at 2000m was only 23%. M60 A3 TTS was 70%~. If you ask me about 300 M60's should be upgraded with ERA and better fire control systems. Nothing expensive but something that would make them much more effective. I see those ISIS guys driving like 80km with those pickup trucks and sometimes with tanks. I dont think the M60's could hit those target while they are moving. I understand that the Altay is almost done but it will be a while till the army gets a significant amount of those so in the mean time I think some upgrades for the M60's are necessary.

Anyways these are good for taking out ISIS technicals.

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It needs to be cost-effective man. And plus, mobility. M-60A3 TTS is pretty much able to deal with the armored units of our eastern neighbors as well as terrorist organizations. (@500 can you make it a little clear mate, because I might be wrong as well)

 

[Hakan]

That border is 900km. City uprisings? Because what differs us from Muslim World is Human Rights. We use Tear Gas, Water Cannons and plastic rounds against public instead of military firepower.

Warfare is not the thing you folks see everyday when playing FPS videogames.



If you said is with openmind, excuse me but you are an idiot.

Why the fuvk ignorants like you guys can't differ Assymmetric Warfare from Conventional and Urban Warfare.

It is the soldier that the country risks for his people. That's the path we have chosen. It's okay if the soldiers are "irrelevant" at the place where you come from.

I won't take my time to write a hell of a text to explain that manpower and PKK, IS thingy. You'll see. Because as for now, Turkish boots on the ground in Nothern Syria and Iraq is inevitable. You'll see.





Even that basic infantry is supplied with $16,000 for each conscript is better than 70% of the rest of the world infantry units.

We have at leats 6 Cavalry Brigades. And as it was stated, 9000 Cavalry troops (3 brigade) will be used in this op with CAS and artillery support.




It needs to be cost-effective man. And plus, mobility. M-60A3 TTS is pretty much able to deal with the armored units of our eastern neighbors. (@500 can you make it a little clear mate, because I might be wrong as well)

yeah tts is fine but not the A1's.

Which one are at the border now.

Im confused they all look the damn same.