Turkish schools to stop teaching evolution, oficial says

[帅的一匹]

I also don't believe Human is envolving from Apes, it's kinda of insult to Humans. Human is human, Ape is Ape.

 

[veg]

I also don't believe Human is envolving from Apes, it's kinda of insult to Humans. Human is human, Ape is Ape.

Problem is this that:

(1) Bible/Islamic Prophetic Traditions say that Adam came about 6000 years ago.

(2) But science has found the fossils of Human Beings which are even 200000 years old.

(3) And then there are hundreds of fossils of human like apes (some where between Humans and Apes) which are older than 200000 years old.

(4) I also strongly advise people to read about Neanderthals. It is very strange that none of Bible or Islam was able to give a single indication about Neanderthals.
Also none of the religion was able to tell about Dinosaurs. Why?
None of the religion was able to tell about 99% living species which already died in the past 4.8 billion years history of our planet earth. What was the purpose then of those 99% species?

(5) Prophet Tradition (Bukhari and Muslim) tell that size of earlier human being were bigger and they were regressing in size till the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
But now science have found the human fossils which are all dating back to several thousands of years and none of them was longer than the normal size of human beings.
For example, the size of mummy of Ramsis 2nd is only 5 feet and 7 inches (this Ramis 2nd is considered as the Moses who stood against Moses)

(6) And like I said earlier that Bible and Quran says that Earth and Universe were created at the same time (in 6 days).
But science is contradicting them and tells that Universe was created at least 14.5 billion years ago.
While our Planet earth was created long long after that when many other stars destroyed and then they formed gasses and then that became planet earth only 4.8 Billion years ago.
i.e. our planet earth came into being after 9 billions years from the creation of universe.

(7) Different religions (including Quran) says there are 7 Skies and 7 Earths.
But science contradicts them and tell us that there is absolutely no such thing as Sky.
The blue sky that we watch from Planet Earth is nothing more than the light of Sun of our solar system which deflects and show this blue colour (and sometimes red coloured sky in the evenings)

According to science there is no sky, but only dark SPACE over all.

 

[T-Rex]

It's just simple. Is there many evidence to suggest that your height has grown 1,2,3,4,5 and 6 feet time to time or you have transitional evidence like photograph taken at some random times of your life.

BTW, Evolution is not a hypothesis. It has been proven for more than 150 years of scientific research. No one has yet come up to challenge the theory and the sheer number of evidence supporting it.

Darwin's natural selection is a hypothesis. Numerous anomalies in it and the missing links have already proven that.

 

[Godman]

Darwin's natural selection is a hypothesis. Numerous anomalies in it and the missing links have already proven that.

Your claim was proven false several times and you keep repeating that evolution is just hypothesis. Evolution was proven in many areas of scientfic studies even without trying to prove evolution. Also there is no such a thing called "missing link" and the word is never used in science. The so-called "missing link" originates from a completely different concept where life is a chain running from God to lower life forms and even to non-living things called the "Great Chain of Being". The so-called missing link is what seperated Humans from "beasts".
The Great Chain of Being is linear while Evolution is not. After the theory of evolution some christians scholars confused the two concepts and thought that Humans evolve into God which confused things even more.
The misconcept that the missing link in the Great chain is the missing link in Evolution is something that came due to sheer ignorance and the theory of evolution answered the so called "Missing Link" long ago

 

[Nilgiri]

Yep no surprises.. Also shows how progressive American jews have become, Even though the Torah is basically the original text of the old testament

Well jew is more an ethnic identifier now rather than religious one.

Practicing jews, even in Israel are very small % of the population....and those that go strictly by the Torah, Tanakh and Talmud in literal personal belief is even smaller.

As for this halting of evolution teaching (even as a theory) in Turkey, thats very disappointing.

 

[Gibbs]

Why the narrative of how Lord create humans are same in Bible(God) and Quran(Allah). Is there any possibility this is the same story told by two different persons: Gesus and Muhammed? Just being curious!

These beliefs are originally pagan thousands of year before Abraham or Moses, Look up on Greek, Egyptian, Norse, Celtic and Roman mythologies.. You'll be surprised to notice the similarities of the stories around creation

The Torah, Bible and Quran are just recycled story books

 

[T-Rex]

Your claim was proven false several times and you keep repeating that evolution is just hypothesis. Evolution was proven in many areas of scientfic studies even without trying to prove evolution. Also there is no such a thing called "missing link" and the word is never used in science. The so-called "missing link" originates from a completely different concept where life is a chain running from God to lower life forms and even to non-living things called the "Great Chain of Being". The so-called missing link is what seperated Humans from "beasts".
The Great Chain of Being is linear while Evolution is not. After the theory of evolution some christians scholars confused the two concepts and thought that Humans evolve into God which confused things even more.
The misconcept that the missing link in the Great chain is the missing link in Evolution is something that came due to sheer ignorance and the theory of evolution answered the so called "Missing Link" long ago

You keep repeating your false claims! Show me your evidence and I'll show the holes in your hollow evidence.

 

[Godman]

You keep repeating your false claims! Show me your evidence and I'll show the holes in your hollow evidence.

Where is the so called "false claims"? You are only one that has been making claims and I am the one that has been providing evidence. You don't even know the difference between the Great chain of being and the Theory of Evolution, You said there are no transsitional fossils ,you said Humans evolved from Monkeys, You keep repeating that evolution is a hypothesis like a parrot. All of your claims have been debunked if anyone keeps going back in the page
The theory of evolution is used daily in various applications from Medicine to Evolutionary Computing.

Also while it was Darwin that developed the Theory of Evolution with clear evidence, evolution's existance was obvious to many even for 13th Century Arabs saw that Humans didn't magically come to existance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqaddimah#Biology

 

[raptor22]

Evolution could explain the survival of animal species by natural selection but it fails to come up with proper answers on arrival of animal species.

 

[Slav Defence]

First of all,
Comparing religion with science is shear stupidity and foolishness.Let me explain why?
Science is a juvenile but effective method to create an understanding of everything that is responsible for heavens and earth.A scientific study is based on a method that began with Hypothesis till it ends on observation, careful experimentation, optimization, data and statistics with load of errors which are removed via statistical approach to reduce errors.Various statistical experimental designs are created such as CRD, RCBD, Split plot, Factorial etc.
Scientist work very hard to avoid man made bias, try to follow principle of randomization etc to assure validity of scientific data for effective outcome.
Once the outcome is achieved, scientists of next generation try harder to manipulate it for advantage of mankind.Science has nothing, completely nothing to do with:

• Ongoing tensions b/w different human societies
• Social problems
• Dresses and wear-share
• Index rates, banks, Business management
• Killing enemies during war
• Who owns all of these created things

Science is evolved from human understanding of tool manipulation for better study of nature.It deals with assumed principles on basis of guesses that some-how proved from man made methods to some extent.
Hence, what deals with those points mentioned above.Alright, let us see:

• Ongoing tensions b/w different human societies- Politics
• Social problems- Social relations
• Dresses and style -Fashion
• Index rates, banks, Business management- Economics
• Killing enemies during war -Warfare related fields
• Who owns all of these created things- Religion

Hence, science is not relevant to other issues.What Trumph is doing has nothing to do with science.Why Malala was attempted to be murdered has nothing to with science or How to make suitable investments has nothing to with science.Science is fast growing, it's moving and it is under development.It is just like a baby that has just learn to walk.Our problem is that we do not try to prove scientifically about arts or commerce related topics since it has entirely different criteria and methods to work on.However, we do not realize this fact that we have caused science and religion to be juxtaposed and our comparison with static and moving approaches is irreverent.
Hence, for religion we require different criterion, method for better ways of understanding.

Why science and religion collapses:

• The problem with our approach is that we are not investigating all the religious text.The fact is that we are too afraid to look into each others religion, to read holy texts of each other's books, to investigate the possible misinterpretations in texts.We are not aware that how these changes were made nor we can trace on what basis?

• These texts are very old and it has passed from several individuals of different eras, especially Judaism and Christianity. This include the era of dark ages as well.People at that time assumed these characters as fairies and pixies and stamped it as "holy" and passed it to next generation.Since we are told for not to question over the "already misinterpreted", therefore we are not able to find more relevant and logic explanation.Where as science that appears to be only option but still in it's growing period, therefore we are unable to come up with any relevant answer.

• Since, we are not investigating and comparing new texts with the previous therefore our history is full of losses.We can see examples like Bruno hanged for proposing about solar system and other cases such as Kepler who faced exile etc.

• Also, muslims are making mistakes.They are arguing over such things that are not at mentioned in Quran.They are comparing Quran which covers wide range of problems with a newly born juvenile method which requires more growth.Also, discussing something which has nothing to do with Quran. For example evolution.Show me one verse of Quran which discussed this method.It neither admits nor rejects evolution of specie.God just mentioned that He created Adam but not as if there were more human like species such as Neanderthals before formation of Adam or not.Why no one thinks that probably Adam was finest specie created for three dimensional tests by repeated evolutionary procedure.God does not mentioned as if he has started from scratch or some undergoing specie.The fact is that one man here makes any comment and it becomes viral and no one cares to look at Quran and ponder for once as if it was really discussed or not.

• Also, the 6 days mentioned in hadiths defines God's time scale.In terms of God's timescale 1 day might be equals to billions of years or eons.Since, prophets only told what is revealed into them by Angles not speculation or Greek based work, therefore comparing again science here with revelation is a mistake.

• Remember, especially in case of Islam, laws and every verse of Quran is fixed and cannot be changed.However, science is still working and moving.What my fellow muslims make mistake is that they try to compare scientific theories with verses of Quran.In science, if one theory seems right today, then tomorrow it can be changed and proved wrong via another set of data presented as proof.Are you going to make same mistake then and try to change interpretation of verses?(In case of Bible, some texts are missing, original verses probably b/c of similar mistakes).Another example is of sky, where people assumed it as Gas layers, seven universes or what not, despite of the fact it simply aims to tell you that whatever you believe and call it as "Sky" is created or else the fact is that horizon does not exists as well and sun rises from east an illusion as well.Sun does not rise from anywhere but simply revolves.

We are doing wrong by comparing it with science:

• If you read a holy book it covers various aspects for which scientific method is not sufficient:
• It tells you about creator that is not any creation like you or any other earthly but an eternal, absolute with infinite power and exists from beginning and after destruction of everything.Science is not evolved enough to prove or explain God or to prove he does not exist.Till now, we have only reached and send a man on moon and have received few galaxies in our milky way.Heck, still scientists are arguing today on Sun's motion with planets around milky way's center. We have not encountered anything outside this three dimensional view, our sight is limited and yet we probably require to discover more types of light that is not visible.We have not seen any being except those that are present on earth and shares same recipe (DNA) though there are several gas giants and infinite view out there.
• It tells you about arch angels.I ask you: Devise any scientific method to see these huge enormous angels responsible for moving various tasks of universe.

• It mainly focuses that who created rather than how created.Yes, big bang, knocking of atom and various other scientific things are mentioned in Quran but with intention to explain how glorious God is and these are created,it is not here to teach you science,it just depicts those as signs of creation. Quran instructs you to live peacefully and how to behave as a nation and what mistakes to be avoid.Remember 1 million 24 thousands prophets before Rasool Allah(saw) were sent before to teach humans manners and sociological and economical ways rather than science.
• If God would have openly began to address about atoms, electrons, photons etc then it will be very difficult for people to understand.Also, God used examples and terms which are understandable for humans.People at that time had so much limited imagination that they did not believed that there is any probability of earth's destruction.They used to laugh at prophets and used to pelt stones at them.For them mountains to become evaporated, sky to become red and all such things were beyond craziness.However, nowadays scientists are calculating ways and more then 10 different kinds of ways for earth's possible destruction.Earth, in past had red skies.How do you expect God to arrange a message that is easily understandable by a man of 14th century and that of 20th century?
• Also, the book of guidance will consume lots of volumes and different individuals from different eras would become confused, each interpreting his own meaning and hence true meaning would be lost.It is just like 5 blind men are told to touch an elephant and everyone brings his own interpretation based on his own obs.One assumes elephant looks like a tail, some touched leg and thinks it to look like a piller and so on..hence no one would be able to imagine elephant completely.

Should Turkey remove evolution from School text books?
No, it is a huge mistake.Instead, train your teacher and make them enough capable to help students understand this topic.Tell them that evolution has nothing to do with Quran or Bible as especially in Quran evolution was not discussed anywhere.It is just a theory and there is equal probability that might be species could evolve for competition etc.

regards