Turkish Rail Gun( Tufan): Awesome Piece of Engineering

[Eagle_Nest]

Think high aim high ... great achievement.. congrats to all Turkish brothers.

 

[mete]

Oerlikons are indeed awesome machines but super expensive.
If i'm not wrong, we need to buy rounds also from Oerlikon, which costs us millions in operational expenses.
I expect TUFAN to be x10 less expensive in life cycle costs.

First of all; this gun have very different concept than Oerlikon. Its use have much much different posibilities. For example; with right coontrols on gun itself have the possibility of hitting ships from unbelievable distaces, hitting aircrafts and missiles. There are very different electromagnetic gun concepts. For near range defence from missiles burst available small projectile guns would have better results.(For this concept you accerelate projectiles at a 2D spiral) For the rest; this concept of Tufan is great.

For costs:

You do not have so much moving parts in railguns.
You do not have shocks on small moving parts; so less wearing on material.

The most expensive problem is changing capacitors/batteries in every few years(not complete change of subsystem) Second; possible corrosion on some parts due to ionisation of air, high current arcs and particles because of corrosion of projectile. I think this is a small problem and can be easily evaded at engineering step.

I do not expect high life cycle cost for railguns. Considering its working principles and structure you really do not need to maintain it unless you use it every single day, throwing supersonic projectiles just for fun. (I would do that )

I expect low maintainance cost but I expect high installation costs due to used raw materials and technology of materials. (Wast amount of copper, high tech batteries, high performance electronics and high current controls, stabilisation of materials under effect of huge electromagetic forces, extreme shock due to projectile speed and need of high tech materials to protect gun from itself... list goes on...)

 

[BATMAN]

some what i had the idea that Oerlikons are long range, and they can be used as anti aircraft guns. Nothing wrong with those master piece of mechanical engineering other than their cost and probably they would never see war action, so we continue spending to keep it operational.
At the same time, i think currently Pakistan is going through a different war doctrine, which involves border incursions in open lands. I thought such (TUFAN) guns mounted at high altitude posts, can secure it's perimeter effectively.

 

[mete]

I am talking about ranges like 100+ km and more.

That thing can archive really long range for a gun.

 

[BATMAN]

I am talking about ranges like 100+ km and more.

That thing can archive really long range for a gun.

That's interesting to learn.

 

[Neptune]

In next few decades laser weapons will be fielded along with other air defense assets until Tech mature.

@Irfan Baloch

Turkish Naval Strategy for the future plans to field a significant number of surface combatants with laser and high energy kinetic close in weapon systems.

 

[Oublious]

I am talking about ranges like 100+ km and more.

That thing can archive really long range for a gun.

Should be used against ballistic missile, if a projectile can fly mach 10 what should be possible. We can even shot satellite out of the sky...

 

[dBSPL]

As far as I know, when the TUFAN project is matured, TF2000 will be the main gun adaptation work for rail guns. On the other side, one of the ultimate aims in the development of laser countermeasures systems is to use them on marine platforms. When considered together with Korkut-D CIWS, the Turkish Navy includes the maximum domestic production of 2033 vision, counter-measures and self-defense systems. You already know other ammunition groups. The valuable members like Combat-Master, Cabatli and others are giving enough information.

As a result of our Pakistani brothers choosing the MILGEM program, In their future modernization programs will be able to access this infrastructure directly.

(The biggest deficiency that currently appears on the road map of naval platforms is the ship's main engine and propulsion systems. However, there may be some developments recently in the GE wing about aeroderivative turbine engines. Regarding the auxiliary machinery, here may be some improvements in the BMC wing.)

 

[UzaySan]

I am talking about ranges like 100+ km and more.

That thing can archive really long range for a gun.

in this video engineer says "sending bullet to 100km away is not a problem actually its easy part the hard part is hitting target that 100km away we currently developing aim system for this railgun"

 

[Dante80]

in this video engineer says "sending bullet to 100km away is not a problem actually its easy part the hard part is hitting target that 100km away we currently developing aim system for this railgun"

This is true. Unguided projectiles are easy to field, but the CEP and rad accuracy of the platform exponentially worsens with range. One of the big advantages of railguns in concept is the ability to propel projectiles to BVR ranges. To take advantage of the range though, you need a guidance system on the projectile itself.

And it is no easy task. Even reading the qualifying specifications for such a system can induce nightmares to any engineer. Here is an example for a USN tech demonstration contract (RFP Navy SBIR 2012.1 – Topic N121-102), listing the required attributes for the guidance part of the projectile:

The package must fit within the mass (< 2 kg), diameter (< 40 mm outer diameter), and volume (200 cm3) constraints of the projectile and do so without altering the center of gravity. It should also be able to survive accelerations of at least 20,000 g (threshold) / 40,000 g (objective) in all axes, high electromagnetic fields (E > 5,000 V/m, B > 2 T), and surface temperatures of > 800 deg C. The package should be able to operate in the presence of any plasma that may form in the bore or at the muzzle exit and must also be radiation hardened due to exo-atmospheric flight. Total power consumption must be less than 8 watts (threshold)/5 watts (objective) and the battery life must be at least 5 minutes (from initial launch) to enable operation during the entire engagement. In order to be affordable, the production cost per projectile must be as low as possible, with a goal of less than $1,000 per unit.

This is pretty crazy.

 

[CAN_TR]

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Is this a seperate project or renamed version of sapan,tufan projects?