No, Argument completely invalid. I can understand Turks who believe that Turkey needs to wait till the defense industry has matured enough but with the interests and the benefit is crap- there are no shared interests between Turkey and the West and Turkey received the benefits by being surrounded by failed states
. We dont profit from being part of NATO, there will be upcoming conflicts where they will pull us in. Just look how the french are bogged down in africa and call on their european allies to support them there now imagine whats going to happen when Russia will have even more significance in 5 years and the effect it will have on eastern europe. Turkey also doesnt profit from that VETO Card (see today) erdo trashed that card for nothing in exchange with these bastards making it clear that they wont end their support to the PKK. So all in all we should work on a way to get out of this alliance and take more neutral approach without getting involved in their upcoming conflicts. We dont need that influence in an alliance which have no influence anyway 
China wouldn't give a fak, they are the biggest capatalists in the historythe one who have money they will slide, why would Russia help us?
Exactly they would give a fck but they dont give a fck that NATO sees now China as a rising threat and they - I believe also dislike the fact that the euros are sending their naval forces into the chinese sea to support the americans there which are now focused on this area of the world. I never said that Russia is going to help us, I asked you what these westerner are going to do about the east med when we are going to leave NATO ? You didnt answer my question
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Let's make a referendum about this.
