Turkish Politics & Internal Affairs

[usernameless]

what will happen after this? let's say Erdogan goes, who will run the country? one way or the other, it seems there will always be complaints. For sure if CHP returns, they will surely negate some reforms of AKP, which will increasingly piss off AKP supporters. Then I dont believe that other parties never have been corrupt or wont be corrupt. whatever happens, i dont want to see kilicdaroglu become the new leader, he is openly pro-america (he showed that recently when he flew to the USA to talk about internal stuff of Turkey), and that combined with his clearly weak leadership/backbone (somehow i dont believe he could withstand the same pressure the AKP faced from the US) and poor charisma cannot be that good for Turkiye, especially for the military industry. sigh... or am i being too pessimistic now?

 

[xenon54 out]

what will happen after this? let's say Erdogan goes, who will run the country? one way or the other, it seems there will always be complaints. For sure if CHP returns, they will surely negate some reforms of AKP, which will increasingly piss off AKP supporters. Then I dont believe that other parties never have been corrupt or wont be corrupt. whatever happens, i dont want to see kilicdaroglu become the new leader, he is openly pro-america (he showed that recently when he flew to the USA to talk about internal stuff of Turkey), and that combined with his clearly weak leadership/backbone (somehow i dont believe he could withstand the same pressure the AKP faced from the US) and poor charisma cannot be that good for Turkiye, especially for the military industry. sigh... or am i being too pessimistic now?

Nothing can justify corruption.

But your actually right there is no other Leader to run the country properly, what i wish is that Erdogan goes but AKP stays. Also more seats for opposition in parliament so that AKP cant do everything they want.

 

[Targon]

Erdoğan would never go, best profit coming from that AKP losing a significiant amount of votes(not much , %4-5+ may be, after the chains of victories he started to act like an emperor, havasının indirilmesi lazım.

Next local elections are important, if AKP loses Istanbul and Ankara somehow, he would go crazy.

 

[-SINAN-]

Erdoğan would never go, best profit coming from that AKP losing a significiant amount of votes(not much , %4-5+ may be, after the chains of victories he started to act like an emperor, havasının indirilmesi lazım.

Next local elections are important, if AKP loses Istanbul and Ankara somehow, he would go crazy.

I believe in Ankara, Mansur Yavaş has a very big chance of winning the elections and dethrone Melih Gökçek. I can't wait to see........ (If AKP won't cheat on elections, i will expect anything from their fraud party.)

 

[what]

Who the hell knows if the elections will be free if not even the judicary is.

 

[madmusti]

 

[-SINAN-]

Police in Istanbul stage crackdown on protesters denouncing Turkish gov't over graft scandal

The police have staged a crackdown on protesters who took to the streets in Istanbul Dec. 27 to denounce the corruption and bribery allegations against the government over a graft probe that has shaken the country since last week.

In scenes that were reminiscent of the nationwide Gezi protests, riot police fired tear gas and water cannons against a group of protesters who were attempting to gather in Istanbul’s iconic İstiklal Avenue in the Taksim area.

Police also fired rubber bullets against protesters. Many ambulances and fire trucks were seen entering the pedestrian road following the crackdown. Daily Radikal reporter covering the protest was among those shot by rubber bullets. She is said to be fine and could continue reporting from the scene. Some of the protesters hurled fireworks to the riot police officers.

Protesters, who gathered upon a call that spread via social media, urged the government to resign over the accusations that led to the resignations of three ministers.

Protesters chanted “Everywhere bribery, everywhere corruption,” reminiscent of the slogan “Everywhere Taksim, everywhere resistance” that became the motto of the Gezi protests.

The sons of former Interior Minister Muammer Güler and former Economy Minister Zafer Çağlayan, who handed over their portfolios Dec. 26 after resigning, were among the 24 people who have been formally arrested under the corruption investigation.

LOCAL - Police in Istanbul stage crackdown on protesters denouncing Turkish gov't over graft scandal

 

[-SINAN-]

Protests in Ankara:

 

[T-123456]

First a question,
What happened after the Gezi protest?
Nothing!
The same will happen now,Nothing.
There will be protests(small) evry day for a month or two,it will die out and that will be it.

 

[Neptune]

u in the protests?

 

[telkon]

87 bilions of dollar is a illegal transfer money to iran to avoid sanctions from usa and most of this money we payed within gold. Thats why its of the records and a big problem now. This is a problem for Turkey citizens now, the gas wil be expensiver now we cant buy gas from iran. This wil be a scandal when we cant buy cheap gas from iran and people are screaming for expensive gas from russia.

There is a payment of 87 bilion dolar payed to iran in gold. This money was for gas from iran and the gulen secterians made this a scandal! I never like gulen especially his dinler arasi diyolog shit.

I hope that a lot of people wil see his treu face.

[butterflies and bees]. let me explain why.
1. turkey buys gas from iran, russia and azerbaijan. prices tend to change, but last statistics show that the price is as follow: iran: 490-520, russia: 400-420, azerbaijan: 300-320 $ per cubic meter. russia provides 57%, iran 18% and azerbaijan 9% of turkish gas import. so, no, irani gas is not cheap, but the most expensive gas.
2. turkey pays iran with turkish liras. these liras are kept in iran's halk bankası account. then, iran buys gold in turkey with these money, then transfers this gold directly through turkey-iran border or this gold is carried to UAE in 50 kg cases (that's the limit someone can carry out of turkey). last week some iranians were held in istanbul airport who had 100 kg of gold in two cases, but later they were released.
3. this year, turkey payed iran 4.9 billion $ for gas. so, 87 billion euro (not U.S. dollar) is like 120 billion $. that money is enough to pay turkey's 30 years of gas purchase.
4. iran is a country, so i don't think they'd use half-baked 29 year old wannabe gangster reza zarrab to get their money from turkish government.
5. last year, iran was kicked out of SWIFT electronic banking system. in light of that, there's no way turkey is paying iran those 87 billion euros to aviod sanctions. basically, there's no way to avoid sanctions in electronic banking. you're pulling those out of your a$$. or you're reading akit, yeni şafak and likes of that sh.t. several weeks ago, when these events started, there was some article written by one of their writers. he referred to some report writen by ex-us ambassador, ex-cia director and ex-us presidential middle east advisor. i wasn't able to find that report because those names do not exist. except middle east advisor, but that advisor specialises in palestine-israeli relations. he never wrote even a single sentence about iran his whole professional life.

[pumpkins and flowers]

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[what]

Crackdown on the Anti-Corruption protest all over the country while Erdogan fanboys get free bus rides to his speech.

 

[AUz]

AKP and Erdogan must reform themselves and perform with even more efficiency, but they must stay.

I don't see any other leader in Turkey besides Erdogan..specially, I don't see any other capable party in Turkey besides AKP.

All other parties, including CHP, have been utter failures in the past and have let Turkey down.

Thats what I think and reading this thread, I can tell that I'm pretty right. There is no force in Turkey capable of replacing AKP

 

[-SINAN-]

u in the protests?

Nope, just following from #direnankara

As you can see from the pictures.

There are youth organisations like TGB, Kollektif in the protests. But Gezi protests just started like this. If things became serious, i will join them.

 

[-SINAN-]

AKP and Erdogan must reform themselves and perform with even more efficiency, but they must stay.

I don't see any other leader in Turkey besides Erdogan..specially, I don't see any other capable party in Turkey besides AKP.

All other parties, including CHP, have been utter failures in the past and have let Turkey down.

Thats what I think and reading this thread, I can tell that I'm pretty right. There is no force in Turkey capable of replacing AKP

We all say that but recently i thought about; "How Erdogan came in to power"......

He was just a major. We had "Bülent Ecevit (RIP)" as our PM. He was to old, couldn't manage the country. He even said mistakenly "We don't want peace in our region, we want war !!!!". Economical crysis, corrupt offcials. etc.....

People got so sick of that government and elected a new, dynamic leader.... I feel like people became to sick of this government too... We shall see what future bears for us.