Turkish Politics & Internal Affairs

[Kuwaiti Girl]

It does, as a Citizenship of Turkey. It has no relation with Biology or Blood/Genetics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_nationality_law

Is there or is there not a Turkish nation?

 

[OguzSenturk]

Is there or is there not a Turkish nation?

You must be an idiot or acting like that. Since there is a Turkish Citizenship, there is also Turkish Nation. Nation is a term to define citizens of a Country. Citizens of Turkey are Turkish Citizens, which makes Turkish Nation. There is only one genetic composition in Turkish Nation ; Homo Sapiens.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

You must be an idiot or acting like that. Since there is a Turkish Citizenship, there is also Turkish Nation. Nation is a term to define citizens of a Country. Citizens of Turkey are Turkish Citizens, which makes Turkish Nation. There is only one genetic composition in Turkish Nation ; Homo Sapiens.

Learn some bloody manners.

Turkey is a nation-state. It is, therefore, a state that represents the Turkish nation. The Turkish nation is a social construct and is characterized by language, culture, and ethnicity.

In other words, Turkey is a country that was established for those who identify themselves as ethnic Turks and feel that they belong to the Turkish nation.

Similarly, the Kurds are also a nation. But unlike the Turks, they are a stateless nation.

Get over it.

Homo sapiens are a species, not an ethnicity.

 

[OguzSenturk]

Turkey is a nation-state.

Wow, you are a genius retard. Of course, since we are a State. Do you know why UN's name is United Nations

Turkish state represents the Turkish nation.

Wow you are a genius for real

The Turkish nation is a social construct

Turkish Nation is a Nation of Turkey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_nationality_law

Homo sapiens are a species, not an ethnicity.

There is no such thing as "ethnicity" in Taconomic Classification and Biology;
https://www.learner.org/courses/essential/life/session2/closer4.html

You are full blown ignorant mollah piece that tries to stand your arguments with BS, which doesnt work against Sciencefic Facts

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Wow, you are a genius retard. Of course, since we are a State. Do you know why UN's name is United Nations

That's not what I said. Read my words carefully.

Turkey is a nation-state.

There's a difference between a state and a nation-state.

A state can be anything. It can be an empire (e.g. the Ottoman Empire), or a religious state (e.g. the Islamic State), or a state with a national identity (e.g. Greece), or a state that doesn't have a national identity (e.g. the United States, Australia, etc).

Turkey is a nation-state, as defined by its own constitution. You obviously never read your own constitution.

Turkey is a state that was created exclusively for the Turkish nation. In other words, it was established exclusively for people who identify themselves as ethnic Turks and nothing else.

Wow you are a genius for real


Turkish Nation is a Nation of Turkey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_nationality_law


There is no such thing as "ethnicity" in Taconomic Classification and Biology;
https://www.learner.org/courses/essential/life/session2/closer4.html

You are full blown ignorant mollah piece that tries to stand your arguments with BS, which doesnt work against Sciencefic Facts

What is your IQ? Serious question. :-/

 

[OguzSenturk]

or a state that doesn't have a national identity (e.g. the United States)

Well American Nationalism is one of the strongest nationalisms in the world, yet you ignored whole American nation at once. Did you go to primary school?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_nationalism

Turkey is a nation-state, as defined by its own constitution. You obviously never read your own constitution.

I am? Or you are? How many times should i send this link to you for make you read my constitution?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_nationality_law

ethnicity

There is no such thing as "ethnicity" in Taconomic Classification and Biology;
https://www.learner.org/courses/essential/life/session2/closer4.html

We educated people follows Science, i advice you to do the same but you seem like you lost your brain in order to worship your Mullahs

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Well American Nationalism is one of the strongest nationalisms in the world, yet you ignored whole American nation at once. Did you go to primary school?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_nationalism

Except Americans are one of the least nationalistic and chauvinistic peoples in the world, so nice try.

America is not a nation-state. End of discussion.

A nation is characterized by a shared language, culture, and ethnicity. The United States consists of many cultures, many ethnicities, and many languages. In fact, the US is one of the few countries in the world without an official language.

See, this is why I feel like I'm wasting my time with you. You are obviously not capable of understanding these subtle differences.

I am? Or you are? How many times should i send this link to you for make you read my constitution?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_nationality_law

That has nothing to do with what I said.

Turkey is a nation-state that's based on the Turkish ethnicity. Your constitution explicitly mentions the Turkish nation.

In other words, whether you like it or not, your country represents a specific nation/ethnicity.

There is no such thing as "ethnicity" in Taconomic Classification and Biology;
https://www.learner.org/courses/essential/life/session2/closer4.html

We educated people follows Science, i advice you to do the same but you seem like you lost your brain in order to worship your Mullahs

Why are you mixing science with nationality?

All nations are social constructs. None of them have anything to do with science, but that doesn't stop people from collectively identifying/classifying themselves into groups.

The fact is, the Kurds are a separate nation.

Like it or not, they're on the rise right now, and they also happen to be outbreeding ethnic Turks by the way.

Anyway have a nice day lol.

 

[AnatolianEagle]

The Kurds are still a long way from achieving equal status as ethnic Turks, which is exactly why groups such as the PKK are still around.

@cabatli_53 this is your propaganda. provocation.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Except Americans are one of the least nationalistic and chauvinistic peoples in the world, so nice try.

America is not a nation-state. End of discussion.

A nation is characterized by a shared language, culture, and ethnicity. The United States consists of many cultures, many ethnicities, and many languages. In fact, the US is one of the few countries in the world without an official language.

See, this is why I feel like I'm wasting my time with you. You are obviously not capable of understanding these subtle differences.


That has nothing to do with what I said.

Turkey is a nation-state that's based on the Turkish ethnicity. Your constitution explicitly mentions the Turkish nation.

In other words, whether you like it or not, your country represents a specific nation/ethnicity.


Why are you mixing science with nationality?

All nations are social constructs. None of them have anything to do with science, but that doesn't stop people from collectively identifying/classifying themselves into groups.

The fact is, the Kurds are a separate nation.

Like it or not, they're on the rise right now, and they also happen to be outbreeding ethnic Turks by the way.

Anyway have a nice day lol.

I have tried to not get involved but it's impossible past this point. As Oguz-Senturk repeatedly pointed out there is no such thing as ethnicity in biological terms as it is a construct.

However, if by ethnicity you mean being bound by common shared values, language and culture then there is something called the Turkish ethnicity. Again this is a misnomer, as all of these terms and taxanomies try and categorize based on words that have no real weight behind them. Modern nation states are bound by its citizens affiliation to the nation. The people don't have to adhere to all the cultural norms of for example traditional Anatolian villages or cities, they simply have to accept they are Turkish citizens and respect its constitution. In addition, it's always best to respect your sorroundings, that's common sense

 

[OguzSenturk]

United States is not a nation-state. End of discussion.

or a state that doesn't have a national identity (e.g. the United States).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law
http://www.un.org/en/member-states/
ahahaahahaha

Turkey is a nation-state that's based on the Turkish ethnicity.

There is no such thing as "Turkish Ethnicity", Turkish is a Citizenship of Turkey as Constitution included as you said, which you didnt even read. Stop acting retarded and read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_nationality_law

your country represents a specific nation

Of course my country represents a Specific Nation, the Turkish Nation, which is Citizens of Turkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_nationality_law

Why are you mixing science with ethnicity?

If it doesnt belong to science, it is out of discussion. We are sciencefic people, we dont believe dogmas you tried to defend. No sciencefic proof=BullShit.

the Kurds are a separate nation.

There is no such thing as a "Kurd Nation" until one Country write it in her constitution.

As a result, all can see dogmas cannot beat Science, we are all Humans, Homo Sapiens. NAZIs cannot change it

 

[xenon54 out]

Exclusive: all the details about the air ops and aerial battle over Turkey during the military coup to depose Erdogan
Jul 18 2016 - 31 Comments

By David Cenciotti

F-16s, KC-135Rs, A400Ms: known and unknown details about the night of the Turkey military coup.

Here below is the account of what happened on Jul. 15, when a military takeover was attempted in Turkey. It is based on the information gathered by Turkish defense journalist Arda Mevlutoglu, by analysis of the Mode-S logs and reports that have been published by several media outlets in the aftermath of the coup.

Shortly after 22.00 local time on July 15th, air traffic control (ATC) operator in Akinci 4th Main Jet Base (MJB), an airbase located to the northwest of Ankara, contacted his counterpart at Esenboga Airport ATC. Akinci airbase is the homebase of 141, 142 and 143 Filo (Squadrons) of the Turkish Air Force (TuAF) equipped with F-16Cs.

4MJB operator informed that two local-based F-16s were going to take off, fly at 21-22,000 feet and coordination with Esenboga ATC could not be possible.

Shortly after, two F-16s calsign “Aslan 1” (“Lion 1”) and “Aslan 2” (“Lion 2”) from 141 Squadron took off from 4MJB.

After take off, Aslan 1 contacted Esenboga and requested permission to climb to the designated altitude, which was granted. When asked about the intention, the pilot replied “special mission, going to fly over Ankara city.”

Shortly after this communication, telephone calls from the city began reaching Esenboga, telling jets flying at very high-speed at low altitude. The time is around 22.20 – 22.25, as videos of F-16s flying over Ankara at rooftop level were filmed.

Puzzled by the reports, Esenboga ATC called 4MJB ATC for an explanation. The reply was: “They took off with IFF transponders switched off.” 4MJB also informed Esenboga that a new pair of F-16s with callsign “Sahin” (“Hawk”) also took off at very low altitude.

The Sahin pair threatened civilian air traffic, which was diverted through alternative approach routes.

Shortly after that, Esenboga ATC detected a KC-135R callsign “Asena 02” from Incirlik 10th Main Tanker Base (MTB). The presence of this KC-135R, from 101 Filo (whose radio callsign is “Asena”), is confirmed by Mode-S logs collected by a feeder in Ankara.

At this point Esenboga ATC had no contact with the mentioned F-16s and KC-135R. The Turkish Vipers began air-to-air refuelling from “Asena 02” periodically. Noteworthy, as many as 4 KC-135R reportedly flew from Incirlik (Asena 01 to 04 – the first appearing on the Mode-S logs).

It was reported that coup supporting aircraft and helicopters opened fire at:

• Police Special Operations Forces headquarters at Golbasi (bombed by F-16. 47 policemen killed)
• Police Aviation Division headquarters at Golbasi
• Turkish Grand National Assembly building (TBMM)
• Turkish Police general headquarters
• MIT (national intelligence organization) headquarters at Yenimahalle
• TurkSAT (state satellite operator) headquarters at Golbasi
• Presidental Palace at Bestepe

For a few hours, coup F-16s flew over Ankara at very high speeds, often breaking the sound barrier at very low altitudes, releasing flares.

It was reported also that F-16s from both sides entered dogfight over Ankara and Istanbul, however no aircraft has been shot down according to the reports obtained thus far. Interestingly, one of the coup plotters aboard a “rebel” F-16 was the pilot who shot down the Russian Su-24 Fencer that had violated the Turkish airspace back in November 2015.

F-16s from Dalaman, Erzurum and Balikesir took off to intercept coup F-16s that according to the reports were as many as 6.



Merzifon 5MJB, which is one of the closest MJB’s to Ankara was at renovation and closed. All its fighters were temporarily based in Erzurum.

Meanwhile, “Asena 02” left Ankara and climbed to max operational altitude, circling over Kastamonu. Asena 03 took over its role of supporting coup F-16s. A couple of arriving F-16s were directed to Asena 02 to shoot it down, but did not do so probably due to the fact that it was flying over residential areas.

At least one AH-1 Cobra, probably an AH-1W type opened fire with its 20mm gun to protesting crowd and TBMM. This helicopter or another one repotedly opened fire at TurkSAT (State satellite operator) headquarters at Golbasi. This helicopter was reportedly shot down by a loyalist F-16.

A S-70A opened fire at the front gates of MIT campus. Reportedly tried to insert commandos to take over the facility and kidnap Hakan Fidan, head of the service. This helicopter is reportedly shot down (not confirmed).

One or two Air Force AS532 CSAR helicopters raided a wedding ceremony of a high rank general in Istanbul which was attended by many generals. CSAR commandos kidnapped them.

8 cargo aircraft (C-160 and A400M included – one using callsign “Esem 26” was in the air when the takeover unfolded) took off from Kayseri and landed at Malatya 7MJB. They were full of weapons to be used by coup.

Coup F-16s searched for President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s plane, TC-ATA around Istanbul to shoot it down. According to some media reports rebel TuAF F-16s had the plane in their sights: it’s unclear whether they had a real lock-on, rather that they probably were searching the sky for the Gulfstream IV.

Furthermore, TC-ATA used a callsign THY 8456 to disguise as a Turkish Airlines airplane (Turkish’s callsign is THY) and the risk of shooting down another plane, and losing credibility too, could be a factor affecting the coup’s F-16s to shot down his plane and kill Erdogan.

TC-ATA was flying from Dalaman to Istanbul Ataturk, which was raided by coup supporters. ATC was taken over, all lights off. Shortly before TC-ATA’s landing, it was taken from rebels.

Details of Erdogan’s flight can be found here.

Early morning of 16 July, fighters (probably F-4E 2020) from Eskisehir 2MJB bombed the main runway of 4MJB whilst at least one Turkish Air Force F-16C Block 50 was circling to the west of Ankara most probably in Combat Air Patrol. In the afternoon on the same day an E-7 AEW of 131 Filo and an F-16 of 142 Filo were flying in Ankara area, likely ready to intercept any helicopter or small plane trying to flee towards Greece.

Update: please note that unlike what has been mistakenly reported by some media outlets, no U.S. KC-135 took part in the operation according to the information we have collected. All the tankers whose presence has been confirmed are Turkish Air Force tankers from 101 Filo, as explained in the article.

H/T to Arda Mevlutoglu for widely contributing to this post. Additional info from @CivMilAir and @Avischarf



https://theaviationist.com/2016/07/...-battle-over-turkey-during-the-military-coup/

 

[Attila the Hun]

İzmir sadece Zeybek oynarken diz çöker... "Gevur sizsiniz" Geçmiş olsun İzmir'im

No comment.

 

[what]

Let's see if the government will jail all those celebrating the deaths of the Reina and Izmir attack, as they did during other attacks.

 

[Attila the Hun]

The Islamist TERRORIST members like Timur and 'A friend' are not here to scream racism, because these people want to divide Turkiye, and spread hate amongst Turks...Living in German and Holland, these people talk about love for Turkiye, these people only care for Saudi Arabia and Arabs not Turks.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

Admins should care about this kind of comments, They are not respecting about Religion and race then blaming people about divide Turkey.

be Turk nonturk, Muslim or nonmuslim no matter, first learn to be respectful and dont blame people with your bads.