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How I feel = :yay:

I guess youre another one thats blinded as many of others.
You can separate the world in 2
1 Globalist money lovers, richmen, elite lobby.
2 Nationalist

Obama Hillary's Bushes are the puppets of the globalist. Make deal then backstab you like a ninja. It creates war, conflict, hate, racism just everything negative and finally a ww.

Trump is one of the nationalist. Turkiye can progress way better with Trump. Right wing aint good but its needed against these democratic looking globalist elites.

They are really smart and good at it. Bring all the migrants to get more votes. For example open the border of Mexico. Republics will never win.You understand now the wall of trump I hope.

Just open youre eyes and look for the bigger fish. These are small issues.
 
I'm just going to wait for Trump's actions first instead of hailing him.

Hail Trump All-father.
Just curious, does the Chinese leadership consider Trump the better option than Hilarious Clinton? Though i've not followed the US elections at all, isn't Trump advocating for a harsher stance on China?

Hail trump
Same question, does the Iranian leadership consider Trump the better choice? I wonder what will fundamentally change for the ME as this guy seems an unconditional protector of Israel. Plus he's against the Iranian deal.

Interesting times for all of us :D
 
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Turks Hold 'Anti-Islamophobia' Events in U.S. While Detaining U.S. Pastor in Turkey
BY ROBERT JONES NOVEMBER 9, 2016

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Turkey’s Dogan Holding held two international events on October 20 in Washington, D.C., reported the Dogan News Agency (DHA), “in a bid to globally fight against the fallacies and prejudices directed toward Islam.”

A panel titled “Islamophobia: Overcoming Myths and Engaging in a Better Conversation” was organized in cooperation with the U.S.-based Atlantic Council think tank and the Smithsonian Institution.

Also, the opening gala of the exhibition -- titled “The Art of the Qur’an: Treasures from the Museum of Turkish and Islamic Arts” -- was held on October 19 at the Sackler Gallery of the Smithsonian.

Marking a first in the U.S., centuries-old Qur’ans taken from the Turkish and Islamic Arts Museum in Istanbul are being shown at the exhibition, which is being sponsored by the Turkish Culture and Tourism Ministry, Koc Holding, Dogan Group, and Turkish Airlines. The exhibition will be open through February 20, 2017.

While the Turkish government and Turkish organizations are striving so hard to “fight against Islamophobia,” religious minorities and even non-observant Muslims in Turkey are continually exposed to discrimination, physical violence, as well as unlawful detentions and deportations.

The latest Christian victims are Rev. Andrew Brunson and his wife Norine. The pastor of the Resurrection Church in the city of Izmir, and his wife were detained on October 7.

Norine was released on October 20. She is allowed to stay in Turkey only until November 12, when her residence permit will expire. However, Turkish authorities are still holding her husband in isolation in an Izmir detention facility on the grounds that he is “a national security threat to Turkey.” The couple has resided in Turkey for the past 20 years.

Rev. Brunson has been refused contact with lawyers since he was detained.

Officials from the U.S. Embassy in Ankara went to Izmir to see Brunson, but they were prevented by Turkish authorities from contacting the pastor.

“The authorities forced Pastor Andrew to sign a document that says that he does not want to see U.S. officials from the U.S. Embassy in Turkey, but he refused to do so,” said a pastor from Izmir. “Only his wife has been allowed to see the pastor after her release so far and she saw him twice.

“When he was first detained,” added the pastor, “we asked the police officials not to put him in the same cell with Islamic State suspects. He was then put in the removal center for foreigners in Izmir. And the center is like a half-prison.”

The pastor added that a Turkish MP was informed by authorities, off the record, that “they have a scheme of a terror organization, in which Brunson is also involved."

“After his lawyers objected to his detention,” added the pastor, “they were also told by the local migration management officials that the pastor is accused of ‘being a member of a terror organization.’”

Seyfi Genc, the Turkish journalist who first reported the detention of the couple, said that he is very concerned about the recent developments in the country.

“American-hatred and Jew-hatred are intensely promoted in Turkey,” said Genc. “Pro-government TV channels are filled with debate programs in which analysts repeat every day that behind everything bad is America. This paves the way for the targeting of Christian citizens. Christians are terrorized because they are labeled by both the government and the media as the ‘secret agents’ of the United States, Britain or Israel.”

Genc added that these developments have escalated following the July 15 coup attempt.

“All other pastors who have recently been deported are also U.S. citizens. It seems that the deportation of American pastors from Turkey is retaliation by the Turkish government for the U.S. government not extraditing Fethullah Gulen,” whom the Turkish government accuses of being behind the abortive coup.

“I know this is so illogical, but Turkey can even see its own Christian citizens as hostages,” said Genc. “Turkey demands other countries give their Muslim citizens new rights but Turkey itself does not give its own Christian citizens their legal rights.”

Genc, who works for the Turkish Christian news channel SAT-7 TURK, which covers Christian-related news, added that it is difficult to cover stories about Christians in Turkey “as pastors often avoid making statements about rights violations. They think that their comments could be interpreted as ‘political.’”

There are only about 10,000 Protestant Christians in Turkey.

But, they have been exposed to discrimination and persecution for a long time, reported the Gatestone Institute. Protestants in Turkey are not recognized as an official religious community and are subjected to hate crimes, and physical and verbal assaults.

Not only Protestant Christians, but all non-Muslims in Turkey are continually under the threat of physical violence. Insulting and verbally attacking or unlawfully detaining or deporting them also seems perfectly fine.

So instead of spreading misinformation about Islam and attempting to stifle free speech under the guise of the so- called “threat of Islamophobia”, why do these Turkish and other Muslim community leaders not struggle against the widespread and systematic intolerance and aggression against non-Muslims all across the Muslim world?

These Turkish leaders, or businesspeople, go to the U.S. and try to paint a “perfect picture” of Islam when the majority-Muslim countries are guilty of the worst cases of discrimination against and persecution of non-Muslims or secular Muslims.

Would the organizers of these events and exhibitions also be interested in presenting the guests with the accurate English translations of the Quranic verses and the Hadith concerning jihad, non-Muslims, women, and homosexuals?

Apparently not.
 
Christian victims are Rev. Andrew Brunson and his wife Norine.

Aww poor victims, next time they better be sure to take Visa legally instead of trying to stay in the Republic illegally. They are not Turkish citizens, wtf they are crying ? :D


religious minorities in Turkey

There is no "religious-minority" in Turkey. Turkish Republic has no official Religion. Citizens of Turkey are free to worship any god they wish.
 
Couldn't find it there,

Missionary is a delicate subject in Turkey.

It's not forbidden in the constitution or in the civil penal code.

Yet, national security policy document , homeland security strategy paper and as well as MIT, describes missionary as "By using the elements in ethnic and social structure, conducting destructive and separative activities" Also, advice government for taking precautions.

I think, Israel is even more harsh in this matter.
 
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Missionary is a delicate subject in Turkey.

It's not forbidden in the constitution or in the civil penal code.

Yet, national security policy document , homeland security strategy paper and as well as MIT, describes missionary as "By using the elements in ethnic and social structure, conducting destructive and separative activities" Also, advice government for taking precautions.

I think, Israel is even more harsh in this matter.
Though i got no data to back up, from what i have seen in the media it seems most missionaries are colored people, especially east Asian. I'm fed up with seeing Koreans and Chinese being used for missionary activities in our country. It seems that, such nationalities are deliberately used since our people don't have immediate prejudice against non-western missionaries. And usage of Korean missionaries to exploit the friendship between Korea and us is really low. I don't understand why countries would allow this, for missionaries take along ideas that can wreck a society, just like MIT states.
 
Missionary is a delicate subject in Turkey. It's not forbidden in the constitution or in the civil penal code.

Yet, national security policy document , homeland security strategy paper and as well as MIT, describes missionary as "By using the elements in ethnic and social structure, conducting destructive and separative activities" Also, advice government for taking precautions.
Sinan, I think if you were running your country's foreign PR then Turkey would be much better understood abroad.

I think, Israel is even more harsh in this matter.
Hmm? Missionaries are a dime a dozen on the ground in Israel. I literally found it hard to avoid stepping on them in crowded tourist spots.
 
Missed this last week, posting now:

U.S. Official: Gulen Islamic Schools ‘Organized Crime,’ Not ‘Benign Religious Movement’

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by FRANCES MARTEL1 Nov 201647

An unnamed “senior U.S. State Department official” told reporters Tuesday that American law enforcement evidence suggests that Turkish Islamic cleric Fethullah Gulen operates his charter schools like an “organized crime” syndicate, not a religious group, and that Turkey’s demands to extradite Gulen for criminal activity “may have some merit.”

The government of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has accused Gulen of orchestrating the failed coup d’etat defeated on July 15 and infiltrating the nation’s military, civilian law enforcement, and educational infrastructure to establish a “cult” to Gulen within Turkey.

The Turkish newspaper Hurriyet cites the unnamed official as saying that Gulen’s Hizmet Islamic organization operates “a lot like the ways in which organized crime sets itself up by folks who are trying to hide money for money laundering,” rather than what it presents itself as: “a benign religious movement.” He added that Turkey’s claims that Gulen, who lives in Pennsylvania, should be extradited for his role in the failed coup “may have some merit,” though he did not elaborate.

Hizmet supporters describe the movement as “a ‘faith-inspired collectivity’ with millions of followers and sympathizers who draw on Islamic spirituality and teaching, constituting one of the largest civil movements.” The movement operates more than 1,000 schools worldwide, including 150 in the United States, which operate on taxpayer subsidies. Gulen himself argues that Hizmet (“service”) is a moderate Islamic alternative that has a role to play in the eradication of radical Islam.

Gulen opponents, including the government of Turkey, argue that, instead, Hizmet is a cult centered around Gulen in which adherents are encouraged to aid in the overthrow of the Turkish government to establish Gulen as the nation’s leader.

The U.S. government has not weighed in officially on these accusations, though America’s Hizmet schools have run into problems of their own. The FBI raided 19 of the schools in 2014, citing discrepancies in the group’s finances.


The Turkish government has made multiple official requests for Gulen’s extradition, citing the July 15 coup attempt and comparing the Hizmet movement to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, calling them both “CIA projects.” Turkish Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag visited Washington last week to personally encourage his American counterpart Loretta Lynch to begin the extradition process.

In public comments, Bozdag compared Gulen to Osama bin Laden, citing him as an equivalent danger to the stability of the Turkish government. “Whatever Osama bin Laden means for the United States and the American people, Fethullah Gulen means the same for Turkey and the Turkish people,” he said, comparing the coup attempt to “an assassination attempt on President Obama and his family, where the White House was bombed [and] … tanks were marching the streets [and] … 241 U.S. civilians were killed and around 3,000 were wounded.”

While Turkey has sent thousands of files to Washington related to the Gulen case, by late August, American officials confirmed that none of those documents appeared to have anything to do with the failed coup. “The evidence is crystal clear. We know the terrorist cult responsible for the vicious attacks against us and the Turkish people. We simply cannot understand why the U.S. cannot just hand over this individual,” Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım said at the time, shortly before U.S. officials – and Turkish government spokespeople – confirmed that they had not yet compiled evidence linking Gulen to the coup.

Last week, Turkish officials said they finally handed over the relevant evidence regarding Gulen and the failed coup.

Meanwhile, the Turkish government has continued to crack down on individuals and media organizations it claims has an affiliation to Gulen. This week, Turkish police shut down 15 media outlets and arrested multiple senior staffers at the newspaper Cumhuriyet, the nation’s premier secularist opposition newspaper. Cumhuriyet grew to international recognition after facing government suppression for agreeing to publish a Turkish-language inset of the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo following a jihadist attack on its headquarters. Cumhuriyet later published a report accusing Turkey’s intelligence agency, the MIT, of supplying weapons to Syrian rebels. For that, the newspaper’s editor-in-chief, Can Dündar, received a five-year prison sentence. Dündar eventually escaped to Germany.

Turkey has arrested, detained, or fired from state jobs more than 100,000 people in relation to Gulen and the July 15 coup attempt.

 

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