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What would you expect us to do to the traitors whom bombed their own citizens and country ?
Seriously, I'm asking you what would you like us to do ?
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Seriously, I'm asking you what would you like us to do ?
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Exclusive: all the details about the air ops and aerial battle over Turkey during the military coup to depose Erdogan
Jul 18 2016
By David Cenciotti
F-16s, KC-135Rs, A400Ms: known and unknown details about the night of the Turkey military coup.
Here below is the account of what happened on Jul. 15, when a military takeover was attempted in Turkey. It is based on the information gathered by Turkish defense journalist Arda Mevlutoglu, by analysis of the Mode-S logs and reports that have been published by several media outlets in the aftermath of the coup.
Shortly after 22.00 local time on July 15th, air traffic control (ATC) operator in Akinci 4th Main Jet Base (MJB), an airbase located to the northwest of Ankara, contacted his counterpart at Esenboga Airport ATC. Akinci airbase is the homebase of 141, 142 and 143 Filo (Squadrons) of the Turkish Air Force (TuAF) equipped with F-16Cs.
4MJB operator informed that two local-based F-16s were going to take off, fly at 21-22,000 feet and coordination with Esenboga ATC could not be possible.
Shortly after, two F-16s calsign “Aslan 1” (“Lion 1”) and “Aslan 2” (“Lion 2”) from 141 Squadron took off from 4MJB.
After take off, Aslan 1 contacted Esenboga and requested permission to climb to the designated altitude, which was granted. When asked about the intention, the pilot replied “special mission, going to fly over Ankara city.”
Shortly after this communication, telephone calls from the city began reaching Esenboga, telling jets flying at very high-speed at low altitude. The time is around 22.20 – 22.25, as videos of F-16s flying over Ankara at rooftop level were filmed.
Puzzled by the reports, Esenboga ATC called 4MJB ATC for an explanation. The reply was: “They took off with IFF transponders switched off.” 4MJB also informed Esenboga that a new pair of F-16s with callsign “Sahin” (“Hawk”) also took off at very low altitude.
The Sahin pair threatened civilian air traffic, which was diverted through alternative approach routes.
Shortly after that, Esenboga ATC detected a KC-135R callsign “Asena 02” from Incirlik 10th Main Tanker Base (MTB). The presence of this KC-135R, from 101 Filo (whose radio callsign is “Asena”), is confirmed by Mode-S logs collected by a feeder in Ankara.
At this point Esenboga ATC had no contact with the mentioned F-16s and KC-135R. The Turkish Vipers began air-to-air refuelling from “Asena 02” periodically. Noteworthy, as many as 4 KC-135R reportedly flew from Incirlik (Asena 01 to 04 – the first appearing on the Mode-S logs).
It was reported that coup supporting aircraft and helicopters opened fire at:
- Police Special Operations Forces headquarters at Golbasi (bombed by F-16. 47 policemen killed)
- Police Aviation Division headquarters at Golbasi
- Turkish Grand National Assembly building (TBMM)
- Turkish Police general headquarters
- MIT (national intelligence organization) headquarters at Yenimahalle
- TurkSAT (state satellite operator) headquarters at Golbasi
- Presidental Palace at Bestepe
For a few hours, coup F-16s flew over Ankara at very high speeds, often breaking the sound barrier at very low altitudes, releasing flares.
It was reported also that F-16s from both sides entered dogfight over Ankara and Istanbul, however no aircraft has been shot down according to the reports obtained thus far. Interestingly, one of the coup plotters aboard a “rebel” F-16 was the pilot who shot down the Russian Su-24 Fencer that had violated the Turkish airspace back in November 2015.
F-16s from Dalaman, Erzurum and Balikesir took off to intercept coup F-16s that according to the reports were as many as 6.
Merzifon 5MJB, which is one of the closest MJB’s to Ankara was at renovation and closed. All its fighters were temporarily based in Erzurum.
Meanwhile, “Asena 02” left Ankara and climbed to max operational altitude, circling over Kastamonu. Asena 03 took over its role of supporting coup F-16s. A couple of arriving F-16s were directed to Asena 02 to shoot it down, but did not do so probably due to the fact that it was flying over residential areas.
At least one AH-1 Cobra, probably an AH-1W type opened fire with its 20mm gun to protesting crowd and TBMM. This helicopter or another one repotedly opened fire at TurkSAT (State satellite operator) headquarters at Golbasi. This helicopter was reportedly shot down by a loyalist F-16.
A S-70A opened fire at the front gates of MIT campus. Reportedly tried to insert commandos to take over the facility and kidnap Hakan Fidan, head of the service. This helicopter is reportedly shot down (not confirmed).
One or two Air Force AS532 CSAR helicopters raided a wedding ceremony of a high rank general in Istanbul which was attended by many generals. CSAR commandos kidnapped them.
8 cargo aircraft (C-160 and A400M included – one using callsign “Esem 26” was in the air when the takeover unfolded) took off from Kayseri and landed at Malatya 7MJB. They were full of weapons to be used by coup.
Coup F-16s searched for President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s plane, TC-ATA around Istanbul to shoot it down. According to some media reports rebel TuAF F-16s had the plane in their sights: it’s unclear whether they had a real lock-on, rather that they probably were searching the sky for the Gulfstream IV.
Furthermore, TC-ATA used a callsign THY 8456 to disguise as a Turkish Airlines airplane (Turkish’s callsign is THY) and the risk of shooting down another plane, and losing credibility too, could be a factor affecting the coup’s F-16s to shot down his plane and kill Erdogan.
TC-ATA was flying from Dalaman to Istanbul Ataturk, which was raided by coup supporters. ATC was taken over, all lights off. Shortly before TC-ATA’s landing, it was taken from rebels.
Details of Erdogan’s flight can be found here.
Early morning of 16 July, fighters (probably F-4E 2020) from Eskisehir 2MJB bombed the main runway of 4MJB whilst at least one Turkish Air Force F-16C Block 50 was circling to the west of Ankara most probably in Combat Air Patrol. In the afternoon on the same day an E-7 AEW of 131 Filo and an F-16 of 142 Filo were flying in Ankara area, likely ready to intercept any helicopter or small plane trying to flee towards Greece.
Update: please note that unlike what has been mistakenly reported by some media outlets, no U.S. KC-135 took part in the operation according to the information we have collected. All the tankers whose presence has been confirmed are Turkish Air Force tankers from 101 Filo, as explained in the article.
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Exclusive: all the details about the air ops and aerial battle over Turkey during the military coup to depose Erdogan
Jul 18 2016
By David Cenciotti
F-16s, KC-135Rs, A400Ms: known and unknown details about the night of the Turkey military coup.
Here below is the account of what happened on Jul. 15, when a military takeover was attempted in Turkey. It is based on the information gathered by Turkish defense journalist Arda Mevlutoglu, by analysis of the Mode-S logs and reports that have been published by several media outlets in the aftermath of the coup.
Shortly after 22.00 local time on July 15th, air traffic control (ATC) operator in Akinci 4th Main Jet Base (MJB), an airbase located to the northwest of Ankara, contacted his counterpart at Esenboga Airport ATC. Akinci airbase is the homebase of 141, 142 and 143 Filo (Squadrons) of the Turkish Air Force (TuAF) equipped with F-16Cs.
4MJB operator informed that two local-based F-16s were going to take off, fly at 21-22,000 feet and coordination with Esenboga ATC could not be possible.
Shortly after, two F-16s calsign “Aslan 1” (“Lion 1”) and “Aslan 2” (“Lion 2”) from 141 Squadron took off from 4MJB.
After take off, Aslan 1 contacted Esenboga and requested permission to climb to the designated altitude, which was granted. When asked about the intention, the pilot replied “special mission, going to fly over Ankara city.”
Shortly after this communication, telephone calls from the city began reaching Esenboga, telling jets flying at very high-speed at low altitude. The time is around 22.20 – 22.25, as videos of F-16s flying over Ankara at rooftop level were filmed.
Puzzled by the reports, Esenboga ATC called 4MJB ATC for an explanation. The reply was: “They took off with IFF transponders switched off.” 4MJB also informed Esenboga that a new pair of F-16s with callsign “Sahin” (“Hawk”) also took off at very low altitude.
The Sahin pair threatened civilian air traffic, which was diverted through alternative approach routes.
Shortly after that, Esenboga ATC detected a KC-135R callsign “Asena 02” from Incirlik 10th Main Tanker Base (MTB). The presence of this KC-135R, from 101 Filo (whose radio callsign is “Asena”), is confirmed by Mode-S logs collected by a feeder in Ankara.
At this point Esenboga ATC had no contact with the mentioned F-16s and KC-135R. The Turkish Vipers began air-to-air refuelling from “Asena 02” periodically. Noteworthy, as many as 4 KC-135R reportedly flew from Incirlik (Asena 01 to 04 – the first appearing on the Mode-S logs).
It was reported that coup supporting aircraft and helicopters opened fire at:
- Police Special Operations Forces headquarters at Golbasi (bombed by F-16. 47 policemen killed)
- Police Aviation Division headquarters at Golbasi
- Turkish Grand National Assembly building (TBMM)
- Turkish Police general headquarters
- MIT (national intelligence organization) headquarters at Yenimahalle
- TurkSAT (state satellite operator) headquarters at Golbasi
- Presidental Palace at Bestepe
For a few hours, coup F-16s flew over Ankara at very high speeds, often breaking the sound barrier at very low altitudes, releasing flares.
It was reported also that F-16s from both sides entered dogfight over Ankara and Istanbul, however no aircraft has been shot down according to the reports obtained thus far. Interestingly, one of the coup plotters aboard a “rebel” F-16 was the pilot who shot down the Russian Su-24 Fencer that had violated the Turkish airspace back in November 2015.
F-16s from Dalaman, Erzurum and Balikesir took off to intercept coup F-16s that according to the reports were as many as 6.
Merzifon 5MJB, which is one of the closest MJB’s to Ankara was at renovation and closed. All its fighters were temporarily based in Erzurum.
Meanwhile, “Asena 02” left Ankara and climbed to max operational altitude, circling over Kastamonu. Asena 03 took over its role of supporting coup F-16s. A couple of arriving F-16s were directed to Asena 02 to shoot it down, but did not do so probably due to the fact that it was flying over residential areas.
At least one AH-1 Cobra, probably an AH-1W type opened fire with its 20mm gun to protesting crowd and TBMM. This helicopter or another one repotedly opened fire at TurkSAT (State satellite operator) headquarters at Golbasi. This helicopter was reportedly shot down by a loyalist F-16.
A S-70A opened fire at the front gates of MIT campus. Reportedly tried to insert commandos to take over the facility and kidnap Hakan Fidan, head of the service. This helicopter is reportedly shot down (not confirmed).
One or two Air Force AS532 CSAR helicopters raided a wedding ceremony of a high rank general in Istanbul which was attended by many generals. CSAR commandos kidnapped them.
8 cargo aircraft (C-160 and A400M included – one using callsign “Esem 26” was in the air when the takeover unfolded) took off from Kayseri and landed at Malatya 7MJB. They were full of weapons to be used by coup.
Coup F-16s searched for President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s plane, TC-ATA around Istanbul to shoot it down. According to some media reports rebel TuAF F-16s had the plane in their sights: it’s unclear whether they had a real lock-on, rather that they probably were searching the sky for the Gulfstream IV.
Furthermore, TC-ATA used a callsign THY 8456 to disguise as a Turkish Airlines airplane (Turkish’s callsign is THY) and the risk of shooting down another plane, and losing credibility too, could be a factor affecting the coup’s F-16s to shot down his plane and kill Erdogan.
TC-ATA was flying from Dalaman to Istanbul Ataturk, which was raided by coup supporters. ATC was taken over, all lights off. Shortly before TC-ATA’s landing, it was taken from rebels.
Details of Erdogan’s flight can be found here.
Early morning of 16 July, fighters (probably F-4E 2020) from Eskisehir 2MJB bombed the main runway of 4MJB whilst at least one Turkish Air Force F-16C Block 50 was circling to the west of Ankara most probably in Combat Air Patrol. In the afternoon on the same day an E-7 AEW of 131 Filo and an F-16 of 142 Filo were flying in Ankara area, likely ready to intercept any helicopter or small plane trying to flee towards Greece.
Update: please note that unlike what has been mistakenly reported by some media outlets, no U.S. KC-135 took part in the operation according to the information we have collected. All the tankers whose presence has been confirmed are Turkish Air Force tankers from 101 Filo, as explained in the article.
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Don't you find it to convenient that the pilots who shot down the Russian bomber are also coupists ? I do...
Don't get me started on the rest of the purges and the whole coup in general.
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Convenient or not. Do we need more questions after them, bombing Ankara ?
Start if you want, you foreigners act like you all know about the subject after reading a few articles from the Western media.
Do you know a police officer whom found in the coup tank, wearing military camouflage ?
Do you know there is a dean found, on the military base which was the operation center of the coup ?
What do you know about Gülenists ?
You know nothing but act like you know it all.
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- 300 Energy Ministry employees dismissed
- 184 Customs Ministry employees dismissed
- 8 top-level parliamentary executives removed
- All Turks require extra documentation to travel outside country
- 86 Banking Regulation and Supervision Agency (BDDK) employees dismissed
- 51 Borsa Istanbul (national stock exchange) employees dismissed
- 245 Sports Ministry personnel suspended
- All Turkish academics banned from traveling abroad
- 140 members of the Supreme Court and 48 members of the Council of State (the highest court) got arrest warrants 4 days ago, no info on releases etc.
- 15,200 Ministry of Education personnel fired
- 24 news/media outlets broadcast licenses withdrawn
- 492 state religious personnel (Diyanet) removed
- 21,000 private teachers licenses revoked
- 393 personnel in Ministry of Family and Social Policy dismissed
- 257 personnel at PM's office dismissed & ID's seized
- Demand for all 1,577 University Deans resignation
- 30 governors of 99 fired
- 9000 in Interior Ministry fired
- 180 intelligence officials (MIT, Turkey's national intelligence agency) suspended
- 2,745 judges dismissed
- 3,000,000 civil servants banned from going on holiday
- Talks of reinstating the death penalty
- 1,500 Finance Ministry officials suspended
- 103 generals/admirals detained for questioning
- ?? soldiers fired/imprisoned
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It's not about articles in the media,we do have a mind of our own.That's why most of us didn't like the 2nd Irak war or a new intervention in Syria.Curse at me all you want (like you did several times in the last days),I am still on the opinion that Erdogan knew about the coup in advance,he actively baited those officers to act by making them think that they have wider support and he's now using the situation to purge the state of all of his rivals.Democracy is dead in Turkey,in thunderous applause from the nation.
Every time his grip on power loosens,Erdogan finds the foreign enemy to "unite" the Turks behind him.When he did not win the elections ....the Kurds attacked !...how convenient....he wins the new elections because the nation is now at war and needs a leader.Now all evil coupists must be purged,undemocratically,because no democratic state cleanses the Judicial system by snapping its fingers like that.And,ofcourse,now the Europeans and the US are the external enemy because (obviously!) they don't agree with this stalinistic purge.Now,Erdogan will find a solution in Syria alongside Russia and Iran.
Now,mark my words: NATO will loose big if Turkey leaves but it will survive.Turkey will loose it all.Russia will smile for a time but their policy revolves on controling the straits,it has been so for hundreds of years.Out of the Western alliance,they'll tear you to pieces in the end,especially with no allies but surrounded by enemies: Greece,Iran,Syria,Armenia...all Russian friends.
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First of all, you are just trying to connect the dots and read the situation, with your current knowledge.
There are documents on Fethullan Gülen, Gülen Movement, in the wikileaks, just search and read. Bolster your knowledge and then discuss with us.
Also, learn about what Gülen movement did to Turkey in 2013 and 2015.
You are in some delusion that Turkey will turn to something else....Turkey will continue like as today.
What you said might actually happened if the coup had been successful. You might wake up too see that Turkey would be renamed as Islamic Republic of Turkey. Sunni version of Iran....
You are sooooo clueless that with your current knowledge, we can't even debate.
Seems like, tomorrow "State of Emergency" will be declared in the all cities of Turkey.
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The Gulenists did what they did because they were put in that position by Erdogan.Now,the purges might be directed at Gulen but he's using this to purge all opposition.1/3 of your generals are arrested,thousands of other officers,do you think an Army can replace such a purge in months ? As for the rest,yes,the state is infested ,time for Erdogan to clean it all up.Turkish authorities have openly threathened the US,they're again shouting at EU,the same cheap rhetoric.Right now in Romania,there are leaks with conversations from the US embassy in which Romanian authorities said to the US that Turkey wants a Russo-Turkish Black Sea domination.Erdogan's first visit after the coup is to Moscow.....this is not what a trustworthy ally does.
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We survived 1923 and we will survive this too. Sorry mate but you'll be seeing us around for a long time to come
Also it's us that warned NATO of the Black Sea turning into a Russian lake...what are blabbering out?
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Since you are a lazy guy, let me put it up for you.
The core of the Fethullah Gulen Movement is his network of schools, which extend from South Africa to the United States. The schools emphasize high academic achievement, and they openly recruit and provide scholarships to the brightest students from poor and working class families. Gulenist schools in Turkey routinely produce graduates who score in the upper one percent of the annual university entrance exam. These top graduates often become teachers themselves. The Gulenist doctrine, with its conservative and religiously observant undercurrent, has met fierce hostility in regimes such as Russia, which expelled the Gulenists en masse in the 1990s.
From wiki leaks. https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09ANKARA1722_a.html
Requiting successful students, indoctrinating them and placing them in the state body (Military, Police, Juridical System, Bureaucracy, etc... .
(SBU) Gulen has been living in the U.S. since 1999 when he went there ostensibly for health treatments (a heart condition and diabetes). At the same time, however, he faced charges in Turkey of plotting to overthrow the state. The charges were based on a 1986 sermon where Gulen is heard declaring that "our friends, who have positions in legislative and administrative bodies, should learn its details and be vigilant all the time so they can transform it and be more fruitful on behalf of Islam in order to carry out a nationwide restoration."
From wiki leaks. https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09ANKARA1722_a.html
What "all" opposition ? All of the parties are supporting the government.
None of the other parties than AKP, has been touched.
What needs to be done, is being done. Yes, it a blow to Turkish armed forces....but traitors should be cut of from the military....they proved to be extremely dangerous.
US and EU should be minding their own business. Focus on bilateral relations with Turkey. You have no power and no reason to get involved in the Turkish domestic affairs.
Lol, ally he said......which ally supports PKK against Turkey, and harbors Gülen in it's soil. We should not act harshly and hastly like leaving NATO.....but IMO, West has proved that they are no ally of ours....
And yes, if working with Russia benefits us more. Let it be.
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Gullenist schools were opened by the Turkish state.The Turkish ambassador just told us that 11 Gullen terror schools are in Romania to which he was fairly replied...."Those schools were opened by the Turkish state in memorandums with the Romanian one.Now you're telling us that these are terror schools.Ypu've opened terror schools in our country under your direct patronage ?"
This is not how it works.The EU and NATO countries operate under a set of rules,especially democratic ones.EU countries,the US are serious investors in Turkey,the biggest ones in fact ,they have transfered military tech and have cooperation with Turkish firms but this was under the understanding that Turkey is a democratic country aspiring to our values.Now they are told to "mind their own business".....
They don't support the PKK but the YPG fighting ISIS.
The US has clearly stated that if Turkey provides proofs than Gullen will be extradited.In the US or the EU ,people aren't extradited just because Erdogan says so.And yeah,let it be,work with Russia....personally,I have an opinion on what will happen and I know that US/Western capital will fly in Romania ,as it's the biggest and most stable NATO ally in the region so it won't be bad for us.
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Thats what i expect from our people, not the ugly scenes during coup.
Also today i have talked with my boss whos German about the situation in Turkey, i told him about the tanks running over people, and jets bombing several places including gas station in Ankara which could blow up half of the city, his answer was: ''interesting that the media here didnt show anything about this but only about the arrests and conpiracy theories''.
He literally said that the European media is there to push a certain opinion among people here by not covering the whole picture.
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So called "coup" wasn't "Military attended action", it was a "Terrorist Attack" that killed hundreds of civilians. Turkish Armed Forces sided with Turkish Republic, not CIA backed Fethullah terror organisation
Whoever support that Terrorist Attack and Terrorists behind this attack should be banned.
Whoever support that Terrorist Attack and Terrorists behind this attack should be banned.
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Why do think the first country they run off to is Germany?
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