Turkish Peace Operations in Syria (Operation Olive Branch) Updates & Discussions

[TheCamelGuy]

l thought US was going to stop supporting the YPG?

Military equipment being delivered to #SDF right after Gen. Votel visit to #Kobane today

so what does it matter, you'd arm the barzani kurds instead, let them arm the sdf/ypg. The US is not interested in erdogans project neither do they care for a kurdistan, they seek to counter IS for OP inherent resolve and they'll use the SDF for it.

 

[Hamzza]

so what does it matter, you'd arm the barzani kurds instead, let them arm the sdf/ypg. The US is not interested in erdogans project neither do they care for a kurdistan, they seek to counter IS for OP inherent resolve and they'll use the SDF for it.

If you really think US doesn't care for a "Kurdistan" then you are greatly mistaken lol. Their top priority is to establish a US backed zone to destabilize the middle-east completely and use it for their interests.

 

[Mucahit]

so what does it matter, you'd arm the barzani kurds instead, let them arm the sdf/ypg. The US is not interested in erdogans project neither do they care for a kurdistan, they seek to counter IS for OP inherent resolve and they'll use the SDF for it.

Their main goal is to establish a dogistan so it's only natural that they support them.

Erdoğan might like Barzani and his Peshmerga but most Turks won't approve to this, l hope after the Mosul liberation the lraqi army will pressurize them or else the Kurds will just grab more lands in lraq for themselves...

A united lraq would be best for anyone but is that even possible?

 

[Orez]

Erdoğan might like Barzani and his Peshmerga but most Turks won't approve to this, l hope after the Mosul liberation the lraqi army will pressurize them or else the Kurds will just grab more lands in lraq for themselves...

This is not about liking Barzani, it about needing him. Without Barzani, Irak Kurdistan will become another PKK's stronghold and of couse this also help Turkey to say to the world : we don't fight the kurd but PKK.
And Barzani need Turkey for economic reason.

Its our interest that Barzani don't lose power because otherwise the alternatif would be worse in Turkey.

Do this means Barzani and PKK are ennmy ? At one time yes, today they are more political rival than enemy, they avoid to fight each other because of "Kurdish solidarity".

 

[Kebapçı Erhan]

Check out the pictures of YPG US CENTCOM posted. They trained some and they still stand like PKK. This whole thing is crazy man, 2017 will be interesting. Mark my words it will be another bad year for PKK. Last year they were wiped from Eastern Turkish cities, this year their Syrian presence will be reduced.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CENTCOM?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Their main goal is to establish a dogistan so it's only natural that they support them.

US project for a kordistan is unlikely to extend beyond Syria, they don't even pick sides between the Iraqi gov and KRG as both are 'allied' to the US. In Syria they're using them to carve out friendly territory. This of course will affect Turkey negatively, but how is replacing YPG with Barzani is a long term solution? It's short time economic boost, long time problem.

Erdoğan might like Barzani and his Peshmerga but most Turks won't approve to this, l hope after the Mosul liberation the lraqi army will pressurize them or else the Kurds will just grab more lands in lraq for themselves...

A united lraq would be best for anyone but is that even possible?

Pesh are trench diggers. It's very easy to overrun their trench en masse and take land from them, the peshmerga are incapable of defending against a large scale attack, the only way they managed to keep IS at bay (which they several times even failed like in the Kerkuk assault) is due to US air presence forcing IS to scatter their units disabling them from a large scale attack. With the ISF/PMU there's no US air force to deter them from that, might even result in Pesh not offering resistance due to individual wants of not dying knowing they stand no chance against a large force. Militarily taking lands from them is far easier than the operations taking place against IS.
But that is another subject.

Dogistan will now benefit not only from global powers supporting them (US and Russia) but regional actors, Turkey, Syria and Iraq are all 3 'friendly/supporting/financing' a certain Kurdish group. This happens when erdogans strategy is to use and develop small actors like those of ES or Nujaifis group (who already failed but it was a plan), probably to create local problems between them and Kurds to divert their attention from Turkey. But that is a one sided policy meant to screw other countries, if this fails it won't work out well for you either.

 

[Mucahit]

SYRIA: US reportedly promises to safeguard SDF-held Manbij from Turkish attack

 

[A friend]

SYRIA: US reportedly promises to safeguard SDF-held Manbij from Turkish attack

Source?

 

[Mucahit]

Source?

lt was an AFP article but they apparently removed it now.

Considering how US protected them for so long, it's probably true.

 

[SouI]

This of course will affect Turkey negatively, but how is replacing YPG with Barzani is a long term solution? It's short time economic boost, long time problem.

Barzani is in our palm. Most of the goods they consume come from Turkey and they need Turkey to sell any of their oil, which is pretty much the only thing they produce.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Barzani is in our palm. Most of the goods they consume come from Turkey and they need Turkey to sell any of their oil, which is pretty much the only thing they produce.

Short term solution, he won't stay forever. Militarily he's very weak and no Turkey won't be able to support him against the ISF, or PUK or other forces that aren't PKK or IS.

What is the long term solution, if there is any?

 

[Mucahit]

Short term solution, he won't stay forever. Militarily he's very weak and no Turkey won't be able to support him against the ISF, or PUK or other forces that aren't PKK or IS.

What is the long term solution, if there is any?

That's exactly what i'm saying, he isn't immortal sooner or later he will leave.

His opposition is mostly PKK sympathizers as far as l know, what happens when they get to power(which they will in a few decades)

 

[blackeyes90]

Short term solution, he won't stay forever. Militarily he's very weak and no Turkey won't be able to support him against the ISF, or PUK or other forces that aren't PKK or IS.

What is the long term solution, if there is any?

What does Iraqi goverment want ? Replace Krg with Puk ? Destroy Krg and barzani ? or destroy Kurdish autonomy for good ? i dont understand iraqi point of view ?

 

[Orez]

Short term solution, he won't stay forever. Militarily he's very weak and no Turkey won't be able to support him against the ISF, or PUK or other forces that aren't PKK or IS.

What is the long term solution, if there is any?

Turkey would help him fight against PUK, he only need to say PKK partisan are trying to gain control.
Against ISF we can help him to transform his autonomy into a country or we can negociate with ISK : Barzani against PKK in Irak. At least Irak would not have the luxe to turn a blind eyes to PKK anymore.

Long term is making this territory dependant of Turkey (which is not too difficule because both Iran or Iran dosn't want it), that whatevers take control will not dare to act against Turkey's interest.

What does Iraqi goverment want ? Replace Krg with Puk ? Destroy Krg and barzani ? or destroy Kurdish autonomy for good ? i dont understand iraqi point of view ?

KRG become too much independant, using the oil in their territory without even speaking or sharing with Iraki govt. I think they want to reduce this power will Barzanie see the occasion to create a country.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

What does Iraqi goverment want ? Replace Krg with Puk ? Destroy Krg and barzani ? or destroy Kurdish autonomy for good ? i dont understand iraqi point of view ?

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Iraqi gov, whilst they won't say it as it's politically incorrect they want to destroy the KRG yes lol. They're neither friendly with PUK nor KDP, PMU Turkmen units and ISF have exchanged fire with PUK peshmerga in Toz Khormatu.

Turkey would help him fight against PUK, he only need to say PKK partisan are trying to gain control.
Against ISF we can help him to transform his autonomy into a country or we can negociate with ISK : Barzani against PKK in Irak. At least Irak would not have the luxe to turn a blind eyes to PKK anymore.

Long term is making this territory dependant of Turkey (which is not too difficule because both Iran or Iran dosn't want it), that whatevers take control will not dare to act against Turkey's interest.

Barzani doesn't want to secede from Iraq, he makes such statements every year to make the uneducated masses of Kurds cheer for him. They wouldn't survive alone, not financially, not politically, not militarily. Unless they secure some massive US support.. but really what is an independent KRG supposed to offer the US? The US benefits more from a united Iraq which is allied to them allowing them access to airbases in the country, it connects 'friendly airspace' from the Gulf/Intl Airspace to NATO Turkey through Iraqi airspace. The US could not care about pleasing some Kurds, hence they're stuck.