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Turkish Peace Operations in Syria (Operation Olive Branch) Updates & Discussions

Mhmm Yeah.... You let Al Qaeda form in Idlib, you let organizations like HTS rise, you let HTS annihilate your sponsored FSA, you put our soldiers as a meat barrier to stop HTS and FSA attack and you fail, you do not retaliate when SAA is bombing civilians and let alone HTS but including your sponsored FSA, you let your sponsored groups join HTS an internationally recognized terrorist organization and form joint operation rooms and now you say SAA must return to its present positions. Let's say SAA returned to its present position and what then?

1. You want the people in Idlib to trust you while you betray them by letting SAA bomb them for fun like you betrayed them in Aleppo.

2. You want the FSA to trust you but you also betrayed them by letting an internationally recognized terrorist organization to annihilate them and gain the authority over Idlib and kept only the mercenaries which will work directly for you on your commands.

3. You want a peace in Idlib but you let your sponsored FSA to be annihilated and now Idlib is controlled by a warmonger terrorist organization and you can not force them to put down their arms (But why should they? They can not trust you because you don't have any powerful reaction over the war crimes committed by Assad in Idlib).

4. You want Assad, Russia and Iran to trust you while you can not complete your commitments.

5. You want political process while you let your sponsored opposition representatives to be killed like dogs IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY just like you let the military wing to be annihilated by a terrorist organization and something like a ?military? (SAA).

6. You want refugees to return to Syria while you can not guarantee their security.

8. You want the international community to trust you while you made possible for a terrorist group to rise in Idlib and now it is even hard to distinguish moderate from radical rebels.

7. You express condolences to the families of our martyrs while they are losing they lives IN THE SAME EXACT WAY ON THE SAME EXACT SPOT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I don't count the mercenaries.


Your strategy in the way it is is nothing more than postpone the bad end for Idlib. Your strategy is FAIL. There is no way back from this situation. Retreat our soldiers from Idlib and close the borders. At least make one good thing by negotiating a military police and human rights watch presence in Idlib together with Russia and political representatives of the opposition. You guys MFA, MoD and MIT made me disgusted from you with your Idlib failure. Send some notorious guys from Ahrar Ash Sham to Antalya as a VIP guests because these guys were fighting for you and whatever success there was in Idlib it was due to their contribution. YOU ARE A FAILURE.

 
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Reports that HTS's failed counter attack on Kafr Nabudah caused 30+ casualities in their ranks.
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The Syrian Army is advancing, HTS lines are crumbling you think they will stop with that and retreat? :crazy:
Call back our Soldiers and close the border, just make ONE GOOD decision, for fu*** sake, otherwise our Soldiers will stuck between the fronts.

Astana Agreement also includes cleaning Idlib from terrorists, that failed, HTS is the reason why it failed now let them face reality. I can't stand that we take part in US/Israeli Balkanization plans of the Middle East.
 
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Reports that HTS's failed counter attack on Kafr Nabudah caused 30+ casualities in their ranks.
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The Syrian Army is advancing, HTS lines are crumbling you think they will stop with that and retreat? :crazy:
Call back our Soldiers and close the border, just make ONE GOOD decision, for fu*** sake, otherwise our Soldiers will stuck between the fronts.

Astana Agreement also includes cleaning Idlib from terrorists, that failed, HTS is the reason why it failed now let them face reality. I can't stand that we take part in US/Israeli Balkanization plans of the Middle East.

Can you understand one thing at least... They don't care about HTS or not...
THEY WANT IT ALL... Even the North...
After Idlib they will come for Afrin and Al bab and so on...

Is that so hard to understand? and what excuse will you give when they switch target? TR soldiers? TFSA?
And after that what else? You will get your worst enemies at your Border behind you Concret Wall? That are under SAA protection? and what then? which excuse will you give? that your Wall is threatening them?

And what next?

For all the guys out here... The HTS excuse is irrelevant for RU/SAA... it's an "EXCUSE" to advance... FFS They have ex-AQ in their own ranks from South Syria... They played with ISIS since years... What is this primary school gibberish ffs...

TR knows that Idlib IS the last wall...before the North... And TR presence in Syria against YPG/PKK... They know... that if Idlib fall... it's over...
 
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What's happening in Idlib right now is one of these two scenarios :

1) turkey and russia are in a secret agreement to bomb the rebels in Idlib to weaken and pressure them which will increase and assert more turkish control over them after ( it's a win win since russia and turkey are the two reasonable parties in this conflict more turk control in Idlib means a safer latakia (Hmeimim) and less Assad losses )

2) Turkey retaliation after attacks from Tell rifaat taking three villages was not coordinated or informed to russia which angered them so russia and Assad are doing the same bombing and taking villages to show turkey that both can play this game ( simply a lesson )
What empowers this theory is that the offensive is already stopped just like Tell Rifaat op and FSA/ HTS is already recovering what it lost ( yes some bombing are still happening but there are no significant achievements what so ever just some villages )

The games being played are fine but why no one is playing with the US like

Iran, Russia, Turkey, Assad none has the balls to do anything with US protected areas which really says alot
 
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What's happening in Idlib right now is one of these two scenarios :

1) turkey and russia are in a secret agreement to bomb the rebels in Idlib to weaken and pressure them which will increase and assert more turkish control over then after ( it's a win win since russia and turkey are the two reasonable parties in this conflict more turk control in Idlib means a safer latakia (Hmeimim) and less Assad losses )

2) Turkey retaliation after attacks from Tell rifaat taking three villages was not coordinated or informed to russia which angered it so russia and Assad are doing the same bombing and taking villages to show turkey that both can play this game
What empowers this theory is that the offensive is already stopped just like Tell Rifaat op and FSA is already recovering what it lost

The games being played are fine but why no one is playing with the US like

Iran, Russia, Turkey, Assad none had the balls to do anything with US protected areas what a Sh*t that is

1) No, actually such Op is fortifying HTS and &Co as we saw, with a possible "Merging" of many groups under HTS and therefore making it stronger. And that's without putting ahead a possible change of Opinion from Citizens toward TR/TFS/HTS...
2) Idlib Op by SAA and Co started way way before Tel Rifaat Incident.

That OP was already used was as a threat toward TR leadership for a long time... actually since few months after Astana Agreement...
 
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1) No, actually such Op is fortifying HTS and &Co as we saw, with a possible "Merging" of many groups under HTS and therefore making it stronger. And that's whitout putting ahead a possible change of Opinion from Citizens toward TR/TFS/HTS...
2) Idlib Op by SAA and Co started way way before Tel Rifaat Incident.

That OP was already used was as a threat toward TR leadership for a long time... actually since few months after Astana Agreement...

What you say does line with what I said
HTS is pressured it will call on all of its friend gather them all and kill them with one blow

One operation room with what 4 groups great 1 bomb instead of 4 and they get to know who supports HTS or not this will distinguish moderate and radical groups

Look at realities on the ground ( not at people opinion )
1) only rural areas and villages are where the conflict is
2) No changes in any observation point whether russian / turkish / Iranian they all still there

3) Euphrates shield and Olive branch forces contributed nearly nothing in the counter attacks it's all HTS and its allies

4) Euphrates and branch areas were not targeted ( except YPG attacks ) but Assad and russia are at bay there

5) you are wrong the attacks intensified beyond the normal rate after Tell Rifaat and the ground assault was also after
 
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What you say does line with what I said
HTS is pressured it will call on all of its friend gather them all and kill them with one blow

One operation room with what 4 groups great 1 bomb instead of 4 and they get to know who supports HTS or not this will distinguish moderate and radical groups

Look at realities on the ground ( not at people opinion )
1) only rural areas and villages are where the conflict is
2) No changes in any observation point whether russian / turkish / Iranian they all still there

3) Euphrates shield and Olive branch forces contributed nearly nothing in the counter attacks it's all HTS and its allies

4) Euphrates and branch areas were not targeted ( except YPG attacks ) but Assad and russia are at bay there

5) you are wrong the attacks intensified beyond the normal rate after Tell Rifaat and the ground assault was also after

It's not because they merge that they will all live in the same place.

1)Ofc since you have to pass through that before getting to bigger cities. (But meanwhile bigger cities ARE bombed everyday)
2)Why should they? Right now the only OB under threat is TR ones, What will happen when they get next to it? will they let TR soldiers evacuate? or will they stay there? or shoot at them? we still don't know.
3)Yes, but the optic that they "Allied" is what's more important, something that was almost "impossible" previously...
4)It's only a matter of time... they will continue North after that...They can't open multiple fronts at once, since they (SAA) aren't good at it by themselves.
5) Check Liveumap, and see what happened since few months/Weeks... Airstrikes and artillery increases days after days... It's not "Because of Tel Rifaat". That this OP happened, Maybe they started it faster than anticipated, maybe. But in the End, That OP was going to happen.
 
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jihadist fsa have started burning turkish flags only good at biting the hands which feeds them


When you don't speak Arabic... and yet make it looks like you do...Wonder what it's called...

And posting from that source...gonna get you even worse... "Answers"...

And on Top of that with a Chinese Flag profil... Ouch... Gonna hurt...
 
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Mhmm Yeah.... You let Al Qaeda form in Idlib, you let organizations like HTS rise, you let HTS annihilate your sponsored FSA, you put our soldiers as a meat barrier to stop HTS and FSA attack and you fail, you do not retaliate when SAA is bombing civilians and let alone HTS but including your sponsored FSA, you let your sponsored groups join HTS an internationally recognized terrorist organization and form joint operation rooms and now you say SAA must return to its present positions. Let's say SAA returned to its present position and what then?

1. You want the people in Idlib to trust you while you betray them by letting SAA bomb them for fun like you betrayed them in Aleppo.

2. You want the FSA to trust you but you also betrayed them by letting an internationally recognized terrorist organization to annihilate them and gain the authority over Idlib and kept only the mercenaries which will work directly for you on your commands.

3. You want a peace in Idlib but you let your sponsored FSA to be annihilated and now Idlib is controlled by a warmonger terrorist organization and you can not force them to put down their arms (But why should they? They can not trust you because you don't have any powerful reaction over the war crimes committed by Assad in Idlib).

4. You want Assad, Russia and Iran to trust you while you can not complete your commitments.

5. You want political process while you let your sponsored opposition representatives to be killed like dogs IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY just like you let the military wing to be annihilated by a terrorist organization and something like a ?military? (SAA).

6. You want refugees to return to Syria while you can not guarantee their security.

8. You want the international community to trust you while you made possible for a terrorist group to rise in Idlib and now it is even hard to distinguish moderate from radical rebels.

7. You express condolences to the families of our martyrs while they are losing they lives IN THE SAME EXACT WAY ON THE SAME EXACT SPOT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I don't count the mercenaries.


Your strategy in the way it is is nothing more than postpone the bad end for Idlib. Your strategy is FAIL. There is no way back from this situation. Retreat our soldiers from Idlib and close the borders. At least make one good thing by negotiating a military police and human rights watch presence in Idlib together with Russia and political representatives of the opposition. You guys MFA, MoD and MIT made me disgusted from you with your Idlib failure. Send some notorious guys from Ahrar Ash Sham to Antalya as a VIP guests because these guys were fighting for you and whatever success there was in Idlib it was due to their contribution. YOU ARE A FAILURE.


but this makes my statement stronger I would never go with turkey to syria as FSA member..
 
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The Turk definition of Courage, Heroism, Patriotism:

After being wounded in the Olive Branch Peace Operation in Syria,
  • The Hearth stops 3 times,
  • Some 27 begs of bloods injected,
  • Some 37 pieces of shrapnel taken out,
  • A prosthetic leg on the right,
  • Some 10 months of treatment,
... Now The First Lieutenant, Özgür Ocak is back to the duty in his uniform.

 
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