Turkish/Pakistan Brotherhood.....

[oceanx]

Please go read a bit more about the issue other than the first few lines of Wiki via google search. You've gotten more than a good dose of Pan-Turkic ideals here today.

Thanks

Show me one link where "Turanian" encompasses the whole of mother Russia, including northern Altaics?

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Show me one link where "Turanian" encompasses the whole of mother Russia, including northern Altaics?

Go do it for yourself mate, apparently I'm too stupid.

I concur. I over-estimated your intelligence, Kharian_beast.

 

[Sino-PakFriendship]

This is what the Commies think of our relationship with the Turks. Good luck to Communist Satellite State of Pakistan.

I am not commies

I am Pro-unification HKer!

I object to CCP's dictatorship, but I also object to Tibet and Xinjiang's secession from China.



i. e. I am a member of Uyghur Online forum.

 

[Kansu]

Turan is a dream gentelmen. just an aim of the Ottoman Empire with German Empire before WW1. no need to exaggerate the situation and lets be realistic. if we intend to reach Turan aim, we need to concentrate on economy and co-operate with central asian countries. Lets dont be territory and conquest fetish. All we need is to increase commercial numbers and co-operation. Turan is something cant be reached with armies and tanks. in today's world, money is almost everything. And let me tell you something i saw, i was in Astana airport and wanted to eat something while i wait for my plane.
3 kazakh families came to the same place to have tea or to eat something just like me. And the thing i observed is any of them didnt speak in kazakh among eachother. All of them speak russian. Which Turkish idealism and Turan romantism are we talking about? Russians are their everything...
Uzbeks hates us. Turkmens are too careful and sly. Azeris dont care about our common aims and roots. All they want is to be richer and richer(nevertheless the ones i saw are like this.). So lets give up these kind of subjects with high fantasy level and be realistic.
if you have money, if you have manpower to be able to use that money in a proper way, you are the master...
Regards
Kansu

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Turan is a dream gentelmen.

Thanks for your input Kansu. It's true, Turan is nothing but a dream. I don't understand why certain commentators took my nod to a historical gesture that is uniquely Turkic in identity as something offensive.

 

[Aslan]

How the hell did you extrapolate Pakistani Afghan India border from this? What is your issue about the country I belong to? Take your personal attacks back to your Intifada forums, discuss about Qassams and human shield tactics there.

Brilliant
I guess that when it is said it is rightly put that there is no cure for being a dumb @$$. And next time you copy past a stupidity from somewhere else make sure that you look into the details rather than making a fool of you self and also chk the green border line running at the bottom of the 5th grade paint job. And as far as personal attacks put your money where your mouth is, and show me where have I said what you accuse me of. At least i don’t have wet dreams like you RSS loons.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Brilliant
I guess that when it is said it is rightly put that there is no cure for being a dumb @$$. And next time you copy past a stupidity from somewhere else make sure that you look into the details rather than making a fool of you self and also chk the green border line running at the bottom of the 5th grade paint job. And as far as personal attacks put your money where your mouth is, and show me where have I said what you accuse me of. At least i don’t have wet dreams like you RSS loons.

The details of the crudely made map are an unbalanced and shaky platform to push forth similar arguments. That is not a green borderline by the way, are you blind? There are no borders on that map except for a few pertinent ones. Please go back to Hamas forums and discuss about human shield tactics, such ideals are out of the league of people whose "brothers" are building blast proof walls around them.

Cheers.

 

[Aslan]

The details of the crudely made map are an unbalanced and shaky platform to push forth similar arguments. That is not a green borderline by the way, are you blind? There are no borders on that map except for a few pertinent ones. Please go back to Hamas forums and discuss about human shield tactics, such ideals are out of the league of people whose "brothers" are building blast proof walls around them.

Cheers.

Thats all you have to argue with that I am a hammas supporter and when asked you don’t even have anything to prove that fact as well. I feel sorry for you my friend; actually you know it was my fault. See when you pass by a strayed dog on the road he runs after you barking. My mistake was that I actually stopped and paid some attention to yours.

 

[Kansu]

Gentelmen please dont insult eachother. We all want the same, i wish we could march to these lands but not with armies. With our scholars and with our companies. And thats what we are trying to do. in a close future if we can solve the armenian problem, we will have opportunity to reach caspian sea and then everything will change. we all will see. We are making our own plans. And as i said, money and commerce is everything. lets give up militarist point of view and concentrate on other things. if pakistan was the richest faction, there wouldnt be any danger of being a ''failed state''. if you are rich, everybody wants to be by your side. Look at America. there are millions of people from different races and nationalities. but their aim is the same. to earn more and more. and this serves capitalist system perfectly. This is the reality of world and we need to admit this. Good or bad but this is the only truth we have in our hands. So Turan should be an economical aim to reach, and policies we have should support this aim. So first economy then politics. and in the end romantic dreams of Turk-Pak union=)
Regards
Kansu

 

[Aslan]

Gentelmen please dont insult eachother. We all want the same, i wish we could march to these lands but not with armies. With our scholars and with our companies. And thats what we are trying to do. in a close future if we can solve the armenian problem, we will have opportunity to reach caspian sea and then everything will change. we all will see. We are making our own plans. And as i said, money and commerce is everything. lets give up militarist point of view and concentrate on other things. if pakistan was the richest faction, there wouldnt be any danger of being a ''failed state''. if you are rich, everybody wants to be by your side. Look at America. there are millions of people from different races and nationalities. but their aim is the same. to earn more and more. and this serves capitalist system perfectly. This is the reality of world and we need to admit this. Good or bad but this is the only truth we have in our hands. So Turan should be an economical aim to reach, and policies we have should support this aim. So first economy then politics. and in the end romantic dreams of Turk-Pak union=)
Regards
Kansu

Some good points and very right put, the problem in this day and age is that we cant go around with a 1000 year old slogan and change things. The ground realities have changed and if some people cant digest the fact that china is there and it is the way it is and nothing can be done about it then they will stay with a bad stomach for a long time. As far as Pakistan is concerned it is I might say in the worse of time even worse than the ones that we had in the 70s and we don’t have many options on the table. And the way I see it we won’t have many for a long time, and the only few that we have both Turkey and China are the best and the only sincere ones available.

 

[oceanx]

Gentelmen please dont insult eachother. We all want the same, i wish we could march to these lands but not with armies. With our scholars and with our companies. And thats what we are trying to do. in a close future if we can solve the armenian problem, we will have opportunity to reach caspian sea and then everything will change. we all will see. We are making our own plans. And as i said, money and commerce is everything. lets give up militarist point of view and concentrate on other things. if pakistan was the richest faction, there wouldnt be any danger of being a ''failed state''. if you are rich, everybody wants to be by your side. Look at America. there are millions of people from different races and nationalities. but their aim is the same. to earn more and more. and this serves capitalist system perfectly. This is the reality of world and we need to admit this. Good or bad but this is the only truth we have in our hands. So Turan should be an economical aim to reach, and policies we have should support this aim. So first economy then politics. and in the end romantic dreams of Turk-Pak union=)
Regards
Kansu

All the best in your "Look-East". Sorry I honestly thought "Turanian" is just another word for "Iranian". When Kharian came up with the crayon production, I thought he coughed up a neo-Persian Empire or something ...

And at this particular juncture, I thought there was motivation behind it ... anyways, positive evidence that I gotta vacate out of here. I am losing it.

But you, Kansu, is a straight talker. But don't you think the trans-caucasian route through Armenia a little "dicey", shall we say?

But through Iran, you shall reach Pakistan and CAR in style, no? Only if Iran is a little easier to figure out I suppose.

Just my 0.2 cents.

 

[Kansu]

Geographically and technically a trans-caucasus route is the best. the distance between ukraine and kazakhstan is 300 miles. Central asia is closer than we think.
Nobody noticed it but around a year ago, Turkey completed a wonderful project. the railroads on Turkey-Georgia-Azerbaijan line are united. it was a project first declared by an american general in 1917. By this project, a train leaves istanbul can reach china. it is such an important thing. And you know railroads and railroad logistic support is everthing in central asian geography and climax. in winter the temperature is around 40 celcius degrees below zero in kazakh steps.
when we write down all these things we notice that trans-caucasus is a better than iran. Why not iran? iran and Turkey are rivals for centuries and there are 3 countries who has goverment tradition in this region. Turkey-Iran-Russia, so do you think that one of these 3 grant you access for your economical desires and expanding effectiveness?

Will russia allow us? yes they will. they want the same. They will use Trabzon(a turkish city and an important port in black sea),Yerevan line. Georgian solid is not safe anymore and when the georgian border is closed, armenians really suffer too much.

Then what will happen? Trabzon yerevan line may be used by russians and by this way russia provides safety and stability for armenians. + turkish-armenian conflict will be solved. so russians are great big daddy for armenians once more
Russia wont need iran anymore when the subject is armenia.

Russia will keep the balance in caucasus with solving this problem. and Turkey wont interfare in Russia's business anymore. And if Armenian problem is solved, Turkey wont need Georgia anymore=)

in every option, russians make the profit=) if russians can stabilize the caucasus towards their own desires, they can control gas and oil routes. this means anybody wont be able to break russian cartel on energy.(you know, armenian azeri conflict is a serious matter and russia needs to earn azerbaijan to remain in the caucasus equation+ azeri gas and oil is very important, until arabic oil was discovered, Baku was the only oil production place in the entire world. even Nobel Brothers owe their wealth to the oil transport and refinery business in Baku. Also stalin was a worker in baku in 1901.)

And how to reach Pakistan? sub continent is a battle field now=) if you control oil and gas, you control the goverments. if you control the central asia, you control oil and gas... So if you control oil and gas, you dont need to destabilize afghanistan anymore. if pashtun tribes arent supported and encouraged for their independence, afghanistan problem will automatically be solved. uff, what a complex thing... here you see, it is a chess game =)

 

[oceanx]

Geographically and technically a trans-caucasus route is the best. the distance between ukraine and kazakhstan is 300 miles. Central asia is closer than we think.
Nobody noticed it but around a year ago, Turkey completed a wonderful project. the railroads on Turkey-Georgia-Azerbaijan line are united. it was a project first declared by an american general in 1917. By this project, a train leaves istanbul can reach china. it is such an important thing. And you know railroads and railroad logistic support is everthing in central asian geography and climax. in winter the temperature is around 40 celcius degrees below zero in kazakh steps.
when we write down all these things we notice that trans-caucasus is a better than iran. Why not iran? iran and Turkey are rivals for centuries and there are 3 countries who has goverment tradition in this region. Turkey-Iran-Russia, so do you think that one of these 3 grant you access for your economical desires and expanding effectiveness?

Will russia allow us? yes they will. they want the same. They will use Trabzon(a turkish city and an important port in black sea),Yerevan line. Georgian solid is not safe anymore and when the georgian border is closed, armenians really suffer too much.

Then what will happen? Trabzon yerevan line may be used by russians and by this way russia provides safety and stability for armenians. + turkish-armenian conflict will be solved. so russians are great big daddy for armenians once more
Russia wont need iran anymore when the subject is armenia.

Russia will keep the balance in caucasus with solving this problem. and Turkey wont interfare in Russia's business anymore. And if Armenian problem is solved, Turkey wont need Georgia anymore=)

in every option, russians make the profit=) if russians can stabilize the caucasus towards their own desires, they can control gas and oil routes. this means anybody wont be able to break russian cartel on energy.(you know, armenian azeri conflict is a serious matter and russia needs to earn azerbaijan to remain in the caucasus equation+ azeri gas and oil is very important, until arabic oil was discovered, Baku was the only oil production place in the entire world. even Nobel Brothers owe their wealth to the oil transport and refinery business in Baku. Also stalin was a worker in baku in 1901.)

And how to reach Pakistan? sub continent is a battle field now=) if you control oil and gas, you control the goverments. if you control the central asia, you control oil and gas... So if you control oil and gas, you dont need to destabilize afghanistan anymore. if pashtun tribes arent supported and encouraged for their independence, afghanistan problem will automatically be solved. uff, what a complex thing... here you see, it is a chess game =)

I appreciate it when someone takes the time and I learn something.

 

[oceanx]

Dear Sino-Pak.

If you read this, I would implore you to self-delete message #15, which is highly counter-productive. And then consider deleting #16 and #17 which do not help, either.

Thanks.

And Kharian was right: you do not ask your partner to choose, and the choice would be unnecessary anyways.

On a side note, you need Turkiye to help make Uighurs feel happy and respected. Hope you understand that.

 

[Kompromat]

Turkey is American minion!

Turkey-Israel-India is American strategic iron triangle in Middle East!

If Pakistan choose either China or Turkey exclusively, Pak must choose the former one!

Pakistan's decsion on Choosing will depend on Pakistanis and everyone knows we love Chinese and Turks Equally.

So my frined we would not chose but Bring SinoPakturkey All together.