Turkish Navy and PM to accompany more aid ships to Gaza

[500]

Unfortunately for Israel, it does not care what the world thinks - and unfortunately for Israel, the time is not far when the world will not care what Israel thinks either.

Time is working for Israel: 40 years ago Israel was not recognized by USSR, East Europe, China, Egypt, Jordan. Today all these countries recognze Isreal.

the world wants Palestine resolved and the Israeli cannot afford that,

Israel offered state to Palestinians numerous times. They refuse to take.

Will the Turkish navy be accompanied by the Turkish airforce? How will such a confrontation help Israel?

Turkey will not go to war with Israel because of Arabs.

Israel-Turkey trade grew by 30% in 2010 compare to 2009.

 

[muse]

A war is in no one's interest, certainly not Turkiye's and for the time being, not in Israel's either - but just consider, that such a eventuality is even being talked of.

500 you offer one liners - you imagine they do the job - please do take the opportunity to travel some, even in remote places peoples are aware and angry.

We wish Israel well and we want to see it integrated in Islamia as another normal country, but you would be very mistaken if you think that we want this at all costs or that US overlordship will secure this for Israel -- if you are open to advice, please learn from the failure of the US which can tell neither friend nor foe, it even imagines that it does not need to - Israel needs to and it's long term interests are within the region where it is from and where it belongs - all empires pass, and the American one will pass as well, Israel as a nation state is secured by agreement within and externally among it's neighbors, as a normal country.

 

[500]

Yes, peace is in interest of both Israel and Palestinians. Problem is that peace requires strong and courageous leaders and neither Israel, nor Palestinians have them now.

 

[TURK-SAT]

8 million population of Israel and Turkey are trying to dance with the evil that will pay .. there is Turkey's 32 million active troops within three days will be ready for war .. was less than expected in 1948 we have established a iskal client state in the middle of the Turks come from bizki Mete Khan .. Stop the authors note that we are States ide ide dates ..

 

[T-Rex]

Time is working for Israel: 40 years ago Israel was not recognized by USSR, East Europe, China, Egypt, Jordan. Today all these countries recognze Isreal.

However, time is not working for Israel's master, it's a declining roman empire, keep that in mind since you're nothing but a client state.

Israel offered state to Palestinians numerous times. They refuse to take.

What israel has so far offered is not a state but a provincial status with no armed forces and therefore, no sovereignty.

Turkey will not go to war with Israel because of Arabs.

Israel-Turkey trade grew by 30% in 2010 compare to 2009.

Stalin had said the same thing about Germany but Germany did go to war with then Soviet Union. So, don't be so sure about Turkey for Turkey can always have trades with other countries.

 

[muse]

September 22, 2010
U.N. Experts Condemn Israel Attack on Gaza Flotilla
By REUTERS

Filed at 11:33 p.m. ET

GENEVA (Reuters) - An attack by Israeli commandos on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla in May was unlawful and resulted in violations of human rights and international humanitarian law, a panel of international experts said on Wednesday.

The three experts, nominated by the United Nations Human Rights Council to investigate the Israeli attack in which nine pro-Palestinian activists -- eight Turks and one Turkish American -- were killed, also said that Israel's blockade of Gaza had caused a humanitarian crisis and was unlawful.

The experts -- judges from Britain and Trinidad and a Malaysian human rights campaigner -- said in a report that the Israeli military's action had used disproportionate force and "totally unnecessary and incredible violence" in intercepting the flotilla.

"It betrayed an unacceptable level of brutality. Such conduct cannot be justified or condoned on security or any other grounds," they said in the report, to be submitted to the rights council on September 27.

"It constituted grave violations of human rights law and international humanitarian law."

The three experts said Israel had a right to security, and the firing of rockets into Israel from Hamas-controlled Gaza also constituted violations of humanitarian law.

But the Israeli blockade of Gaza amounted to collective punishment of the civilian population and was not lawful in any circumstances, they said.

The rights experts, who were not allowed to enter Israel, said Israel had refused to cooperate with their mission, and called on the Israeli authorities to identify those involved in the violence and prosecute them.

Israel, which says pro-Palestinian activists on the boat were killed when they attacked its commandos, had said from the outset it would not work with the probe by the rights council.

Many nations believe the council, on which Islamic states and their allies have a majority, focuses on Israeli treatment of Palestinians at the expense of other rights issues.

Israel has said it would cooperate with another U.N. probe convened by Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon into the incident, which damaged Israel's ties with Turkey.

Israel is also conducting its own inquiry.

Monday's session of the rights council will also examine another report by experts on the follow-up investigations by Israeli and Palestinian authorities into the 2008-2009 Gaza conflict. That report has found the probes were inadequate.

(Reporting by Jonathan Lynn, editing by Tim Pearce)

 

[T-Rex]

September 22, 2010
U.N. Experts Condemn Israel Attack on Gaza Flotilla
By REUTERS

Filed at 11:33 p.m. ET

GENEVA (Reuters) - An attack by Israeli commandos on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla in May was unlawful and resulted in violations of human rights and international humanitarian law, a panel of international experts said on Wednesday.

The three experts, nominated by the United Nations Human Rights Council to investigate the Israeli attack in which nine pro-Palestinian activists -- eight Turks and one Turkish American -- were killed, also said that Israel's blockade of Gaza had caused a humanitarian crisis and was unlawful.

The experts -- judges from Britain and Trinidad and a Malaysian human rights campaigner -- said in a report that the Israeli military's action had used disproportionate force and "totally unnecessary and incredible violence" in intercepting the flotilla.

"It betrayed an unacceptable level of brutality. Such conduct cannot be justified or condoned on security or any other grounds," they said in the report, to be submitted to the rights council on September 27.

"It constituted grave violations of human rights law and international humanitarian law."

The three experts said Israel had a right to security, and the firing of rockets into Israel from Hamas-controlled Gaza also constituted violations of humanitarian law.

But the Israeli blockade of Gaza amounted to collective punishment of the civilian population and was not lawful in any circumstances, they said.

The rights experts, who were not allowed to enter Israel, said Israel had refused to cooperate with their mission, and called on the Israeli authorities to identify those involved in the violence and prosecute them.

Israel, which says pro-Palestinian activists on the boat were killed when they attacked its commandos, had said from the outset it would not work with the probe by the rights council.

Many nations believe the council, on which Islamic states and their allies have a majority, focuses on Israeli treatment of Palestinians at the expense of other rights issues.

Israel has said it would cooperate with another U.N. probe convened by Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon into the incident, which damaged Israel's ties with Turkey.

Israel is also conducting its own inquiry.

Monday's session of the rights council will also examine another report by experts on the follow-up investigations by Israeli and Palestinian authorities into the 2008-2009 Gaza conflict. That report has found the probes were inadequate.

(Reporting by Jonathan Lynn, editing by Tim Pearce)

So what if the entire world community calls the raid unlawful, Israel and America say that it was lawful, so whatever the "great Caesar" does cannot be unlawful. This is the world ruled by the champions of democracy and human right.

 

[muse]

So what if the entire world community calls the raid unlawful, Israel and America say that it was lawful, so whatever the "great Caesar" does cannot ne unlawful. This is the world ruled by the champions of democracy and human right.

Not so fast, T-Rex - there are at least four issues here.

First the US -- there is no longer anybody who takes the US seriously when it speaks of Human Rights and nobody in their right mind thinks the US has anything meaningful to say about "Democracy".

Second, the UN: The UN for too long has been the handmaiden of the victorious powers arising out of WWII -- the UN needs to be seen as relevant, will it ever be a forum for a fair dialogue and action? For me, it all depends of Muslim majority countries' demand and behavior to ensure that the US does behave in precisely that way.

Turkiye: See, that whole narrative about the West as a natural partner, and how free markets will integrate societies in fundamental ways -- it's all so much garbage -- now, wait a minute, didn't I say that free markets, liberal political dispensations would integrate diverse societies? Yes, but I was wrong, there is a fundamental problem with my formulation - neither liberal dispensation, nor free markets will serve to integrate societies that do not wish to be integrated - for an example of this see the EU and the terms it sets for Turkish membership.

Israel: Idiot Israel!, ever the problem child - The world needs an Israel, it does not mean that the world has to like Israel -- but Israelis might consider how much easier life would be if the world could like Israel, after all, how long can guilt be milked?

 

[T-Rex]

Not so fast, T-Rex - there are at least four issues here.

First the US -- there is no longer anybody who takes the US seriously when it speaks of Human Rights and nobody in their right mind thinks the US has anything meaningful to say about "Democracy".

It's true that nobody takes the US seriously when it preaches democracy or human rights,nevertheless, a lot of countries follow its lead willingly or unwillingly and that has a disastrous consequence for the weak nations. The rest, I agree.

 

[spin666]

It's true that nobody takes the US seriously when it preaches democracy or human rights,nevertheless, a lot of countries follow its lead willingly or unwillingly and that has a disastrous consequence for the weak nations. The rest, I agree.

I didn't see any of it's ally been "unwillingly" follow it. It's all base of countrys own best interest. If it had something gaing,"then sorry m8,you are going to get bomb" like the US want.It's about getting something. Not about friendship or been ally of pact....