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Politics is to blame,much talk very slow walk.So what is the issue here
Turkey has the manpower but politics ?
STM is to blame?
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Politics is to blame,much talk very slow walk.So what is the issue here
Turkey has the manpower but politics ?
STM is to blame?
It has been a year since STM drooling over TF2000, but we shouldnt forget all knowledge STM has got, acquired from navy shipyards, when its the fact and STM isnt strong enough to handle a whole design of a navy vessel , Spain wouldnt be joining.
It could be counted as repost since Navantia has already expressed the company's interest in the project over a year ago, and STM has also spoken in the matter yet tried to impress the Secretariat with a silly, non functional and exactly plagiarized frigate design. If BMC gets the Altay tank, we can be assured STM and Sedef shipyard will get the TF2000 and our so called national air warfare frigate will be design of Navantia, and we will let our shining engineers to be idle, not working as they are supposed to be and loose the ability of the design progress that we have gained in a painful 10 years for Milgem.
And the future of all our "shining engineers" are dependent on this single project?
Why do you think so traitorous?
Just answer my question instead of wasting my time.
It has been a year since STM drooling over TF2000, but we shouldnt forget all knowledge STM has got, acquired from navy shipyards, when its the fact and STM isnt strong enough to handle a whole design of a navy vessel , Spain wouldnt be joining.
It could be counted as repost since Navantia has already expressed the company's interest in the project over a year ago, and STM has also spoken in the matter yet tried to impress the Secretariat with a silly, non functional and exactly plagiarized frigate design. If BMC gets the Altay tank, we can be assured STM and Sedef shipyard will get the TF2000 and our so called national air warfare frigate will be design of Navantia, and we will let our shining engineers to be idle, not working as they are supposed to be and loose the ability of the design progress that we have gained in a painful 10 years for Milgem.
Why is he thinking traitorous,whats wrong with his question?Why do you think so traitorous?
Why is he thinking traitorous,whats wrong with his question?
This project is ongoing for so many years,the talk was indigenous and now they decide to get help which shows that we cant do it alone.
So,why the show off for all these years when you cant do it?
Dont come with conspiracy theories,if the project was finished,we wouldnt have these conversations.Where do we need help? For a project that is already finished.
Dirty games are played with regard to TF-2000.
Dont come with conspiracy theories,if the project was finished,we wouldnt have these conversations.
Lets be realistic and see things for what they are.
Take a look at @isoo 's post on page 199 of this thread,as one of the few,he knows what he is talking about.
And the future of all our "shining engineers" are dependent on this single project?
It has been a year since STM drooling over TF2000, but we shouldnt forget all knowledge STM has got, acquired from navy shipyards, when its the fact and STM isnt strong enough to handle a whole design of a navy vessel , Spain wouldnt be joining.
It could be counted as repost since Navantia has already expressed the company's interest in the project over a year ago, and STM has also spoken in the matter yet tried to impress the Secretariat with a silly, non functional and exactly plagiarized frigate design. If BMC gets the Altay tank, we can be assured STM and Sedef shipyard will get the TF2000 and our so called national air warfare frigate will be design of Navantia, and we will let our shining engineers to be idle, not working as they are supposed to be and loose the ability of the design progress that we have gained in a painful 10 years for Milgem.
Yes it depends on this,And the future of all our "shining engineers" are dependent on this single project?
No, our private companies can not even build milgem, they are just lazy ones laying around and looking for a quick hit without an effort (like TCG Anadolu) where they dont risk anything but have a constant support. Support class and combatants are two most separate classes, TCG Dost is somehow the nearest of the combatants and the shipyard was quite disappointed in the end. We can not include the boat size ships in here.There's is no need to be a negative Nancy on the TF-2000 project or doubt STM's capacity. We are financing so many projects and investing so much money on R&D, i think our limited budget is what stalls these projects. Our private or government ship yards have the necessary know-how to build a ship in size of TF-2000, they're just waiting for the government to give them the go to begin working on this project.
STM is to be blamed, trying to make profit with the connections and weakening the prestige of navy offices for the SecretariatSo what is the issue here
Turkey has the manpower but politics ?
STM is to blame?
There is no conspiracy but once LHD construction has begun both Sedef and Navantia has made speeches about willingness to join in TF2000, while recently STM has spoken so, to take place in frigate designs even showing a mockup ( seriously. Even the mockup was at low quality with bad surface finishing ) )Call it conspiracy theory or whatever you want.
Just remember my words. When the ship is built without help from Spain.
If engineers begin to be idle and begin to do the work equals to the drawing technician, then they will loose their ability. Their departments will shut down and they either will fly to finance department or procedurement department.I dont care about your time. If you can do something yourself, then you dont need others.
You must have more confidence in Turkish engineers and overcome your inferiority complexes.
Also the politics,that is slowing the project down and somehow letting STM and other ones to bring rumours around about how slow the navy shipyards are ( we will see who is faster when one of the private shipyards has completed the I class without help of the navy, if they can ever complete without a support)So what is the issue here
Turkey has the manpower but politics ?
STM is to blame?