Turkish Missile Programs

[SoftKill]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1293982226468798464

 

[Balamir]

There is great information on torpedo and subsystem studies. The completion date of the projects is also given.
TORK Training Version, Medium Class AUV, Miniature Torpedo, and the Smart Super-Cavity Torpedo studies was officially announced.
Turkey in the 2020s to complete the development of missile systems and ammunition for naval platforms.


Torpedo Studies and Turkey


The number of countries that can design, develop, and manufacture torpedoes can be counted on the fingers of both hands: The United States (USA), Germany, China, France, South Korea, India, UK, Sweden, Italy, Japan, and Russia. Several countries, including Turkey, are trying to enter this ‘elite’ group with their indigenous projects that they have started to develop domestic heavy and lightweight torpedo systems.


Turkey took its first step in the heavyweight torpedo field with the AKYA National Heavyweight Torpedo Development Program, which was signed on May 8, 2009, with several domestic companies’ participation under the coordination of the Presidency of Defense Industries (SSB) and the Main Contractor Roketsan. The first launch test of the 533mm AKYA HWT without the warhead and active/passive acoustic sonar sensor was carried out successfully in the Sea of Marmara on July 11, 2013, with the support of the Turkish Naval Research Center Command (TNRCC/ARMERKOM). Under the AKYA National Heavyweight Torpedo Program, Roketsan will develop the warhead and guidance system, Meteksan Defence will develop the sonar transducer arrays (sonar wet end), and Koç Information and Defence Technologies (KBS) will develop the Wake Sensors, Torpedo Test Range Underwater Detection and Positioning System, Acoustic Signal Generators, and the Underwater Acoustic Models (to verify the systems and software to be developed under the program).


The AKYA Phase-2 Project was signed between the SSB and Roketsan in July 2016 to industrialize the AKYA National HWT prototype (controlled test torpedo) and make it ready for serial production by developing its critical sub-systems in line with the capabilities of the sector companies. The last publicized launch test with the AKYA HWT, qualification process of which is still ongoing, was carried out on December 20, 2019. During the trial, the AKYA HWT was equipped with a live active/passive acoustic sonar for the first time and launched from a detailed 533mm torpedo tube replica installed to an underwater test platform at a depth of 40m with ‘swim out’ launch mode. During the International Store Certification Tests Symposium held on November 4, 2019, TÜBİTAK SAGE introduced a detailed replica of 533mm diameter torpedo tube, which is entirely similar to an authentic 533mm diameter torpedo tube and capable of firing both cruise missiles (ATMACA B1/B2 and GEZGİN), and heavyweight torpedoes (AKYA) from underwater.


Aside from the AKYA National Heavyweight Torpedo Program, development studies are also carried out on Lightweight Torpedoes in Turkey. Thanks to its infrastructure and experience from the Anti-Torpedo Torpedo (TORK) Project, which was initiated in 2014 with the support of TÜBİTAK TEYDEB 1501, Aselsan also started to develop a prototype Lightweight Torpedo that can be used against submarines and other underwater targets. Aselsan introduced the first mock-up of the National Lightweight Torpedo ORKA, which the company developed with its own resources, during IDEF ‘17 Fair.


Aselsan TORK is an anti-torpedo torpedo developed to destroy acoustic homing, wire-guided, non-wire guided, and wake homing torpedoes launched against surface ships and submarines. TORK can precisely locate the incoming torpedo threat with its sonar seeker. TORK moves towards the threat torpedo by measuring the distance from it and explodes at an appropriate range using advanced interception algorithms. According to Aselsan TORK has a diameter of <30cm, a length of <3m, and weighs <200kg.


The first performance tests carried out in the maritime environment with the passive acoustic seeker equipped TORK system were completed in early September 2018. Within the tests’ scope, TORK successfully identified the surface targets with its sonar seeker and moved towards the threats with its own guidance. Thus, the Development Process, which constitutes the first phase in the TORK Anti-Torpedo Torpedo Project with Hard Kill capability, was completed in the last quarter of 2018. In this context, the first guidance tests were carried out with TORK, and the Aselsan product passive seeker in the torpedo performed successfully. The second phase of the project aims to turn TORK into a Training Torpedo. In the meantime, localization studies on TORK continued and within this scope, for example, the Lithium-Ion (Li-Ion) Battery (a special battery with 100 amps current draw capacity is designed), Phased Array Sonar, Dry-End & Wet-Ends, Control Surface Motors, and the electric propeller were localized. The previous COTS (Commercial off-the-shelf) type Li-Ion Battery of the TORK was replaced with a domestic Li-Ion battery produced by Aspilsan. The Li-Ion Battery and Battery Management System developed in cooperation with Aselsan-Aspilsan will be tested on TORK in the second phase. An active seeker will also be developed in the second phase. In the third phase of the project, TORK will be finalized and produced with the warhead and war battery. According to the current calendar, a test torpedo prototype with an active seeker and training warhead will be produced and prepared in the next three years. In the second phase of the project, the TORK’s diameter will be increased to the standard lightweight torpedo diameter of 32.4cm (324mm). Since the volume of TORK has grown, its body length will be shortened. Thus, TORK will be able to be launched from the Mk-32 lightweight torpedo launchers that are currently used onboard the warships. In the first phase, TORK is aimed to be used integrated with HIZIR Torpedo Countermeasure System (TCMS) to protect surface platforms against torpedo threats. In the future, the submarine-launched version of TORK will also be developed. Currently, the Seeker (Aselsan is also developing training Warhead), Battery (Aspilsan), Control Surface Motors of the Propulsion and Steering System at the tail section, and the propellers (Aselsan) used in the TORK are domestic products. TORK is electrically propelled. The propellers and the subsystems receive the power they need to operate from a Li-Ion Battery in the torpedo. The energy generated by the battery is distributed to the control surface motors and the main propellers via the Power Distribution System. TORK was designed to detonate at proximity of incoming hostile torpedoes and neutralize the threats with the pressure effect it creates. Therefore, TORK does not need to hit the hostile torpedo threat physically.


The working principle, dimensions, and subcomponents of the TORK System have similar characteristics to Light Torpedoes. Some of the most critical subsystems of TORK (engine, steering, guidance, and control systems) is designed to be used in the Lightweight Torpedo without any modification. The National Lightweight Torpedo, which is aimed to have similar capabilities to the Mk46 and Mk54 Lightweight Torpedoes in the Turkish Navy inventory, is developed to be launched from existing torpedo tubes on the naval warships, ASW Helicopters and Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA). According to Aselsan Torpedo and Torpedo Countermeasure Systems Road Map, dual configuration lightweight torpedo tube will be ready in 2022, TORK Training Version in 2023, Medium Class AUV & ORKA LWT in 2023-2025, TORK Live (Combat) Version in 2025, Miniature Torpedo in 2027, and the Smart Super-Cavity Torpedo will be available in 2030.


Head of Aselsan Naval Systems Group, Behçet KARATAŞ, who made a presentation titled ‘ASELSAN Combat System Solutions for Naval Platforms and the Vision’ at the 9th Naval Systems Seminar held on October 14-15, 2019 in Ankara, shared the following information about these projects: “We are planning to complete the Torpedo Tube development in 2022. The studies on low-frequency active sonar are already continuing with the SSB R&D Department, and we plan to complete it in 2023. We are planning to complete the development of TORK's Training Version by 2023. The Medium Class Autonomous Vehicle is also expected to be completed between 2023-2025. We also plan to introduce our own Lightweight Torpedo, which we call ORKA, before 2025. We continue our works on Submarine Towed-Array Sonar, combat version of TORK, Miniature Torpedo, and later Smart Super-Cavity Torpedoes...”


In the meantime, within the scope of the New Generation National Torpedo Technologies Development Studies, TÜBİTAK Defense and Security Technologies Research Grant Committee (SAVTAG) issued a wide-area call for Torpedo Batteries (T-BAT) in July 2019 under the 1007 Program. The scope of the call aims to develop torpedo batteries and charge/discharge units of these batteries by using long-lasting lithium-ion (Li-Ion) cells. Accordingly, multiple R&D intensive work packages will be realized and verified in a real-life environment. The studies aim to develop a form-fit lithium-ion (Li-Ion) torpedo battery system with national resources to replace (same size and weight) the Silver Oxide-Zinc (AgO-Zn) batteries used in training torpedoes without additional modifications. The project aims to eliminate foreign dependency, reduce the battery cost per launch, create a domestic and national design/production infrastructure for new generation national torpedo battery systems, and to eliminate different battery requirements for training and heavyweight torpedoes by providing a single common battery type.

A Look at Major HWTs & LWTs in NATO Countries & Ongoing Torpedo Programs in Turkey

The first true torpedo was invented in 1866 by British engineer Robert WHITEHEAD, based on the ideas of Austrian Navy officer Johann LUPIS. The word `torpedo` (derived from the word `torpere,` which means `to stun` in Latin), was created in 1800 by the American inventor Robert FULTON, who also...

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[SİLAHDAR]

Last years we had see a new mock-up named Kgk-Lr. On the other hand Gürcan Okumuş say we work on Thrusted versions of Kgk-82 and Kuzgun-100.



That is very important. Just because we planning make a strategic 120 km ranged strikes with akıncı + kgk-82 but there is a little problem. Kgk-82's and kuzgun's reach 120 km ranges only they launched from 40.000 feeet and 0.9 mach speed.



Yes our akıncı will be able to reach 40.000 feet but akıncı cant be reach 0.9 mach speeds. We targetting reach a 0.9 mach speeds with Baykar Mius.



In this point I think this project is targeted reach a Kgk 120 km when they launched 0.4-0.5 mach speed and 160-200 km when him launched 0.9 mach.



That is very good point I think, With this we can able to penetrate aster, 9m96e2 kind long range missiles and ships from 120 km also when we reach 0.9 mach with mius or jet fighters patriot pac 2 and sm-2 carrier platforms from 160 km.



Good Sead, Deep Strike, Anti-Ship capability with cheaper way.



Same way will used on Kuzgun class ammonution for Light strike with Mark-81 class warhead.

 

[xbat]

i think TEIs new TJ400 will power KGK-LR

 

[Balamir]

i think TEIs new TJ400 will power KGK-LR

I think the KGK-LR missile is a glide bomb like JSOW. Hence a missile without an engine. However, in later versions, a missile like a Powered JSOW (JSOW-ER) could be developed with the engine attached.

 

[Balamir]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1298962662039093248

 

[SİLAHDAR]

-----İmportant-----

Maybe there is a option for making Quadpack Long Range Air Defence Missiles For Our Navy.

How :

Our gökdoğan missile have 65 km range. But Gürcan okumuş say we plan to increase him more bit. Just because missile have more capable for higher ranges.

Never mind if we accept him 65 km ranged, his possible weight will be around 100-110 kg and dimaeter is 160 mm and lenght is 3 meter around like mica's.

That's a kaplan missile. He's diameter is 230mm. He can carry 50 kg warhead + 50 kg around gps +ins + another things of first stage to 35 km range and 10-12.5 km alttitude after that thay freefall to the target. Hes total range is 70 km .

For ascending 12.5 km they spend 2 times more fuel than straitgh like all missiles. So his real range capacity with 100-120 kg first section is 35+25 = 60 km. Thats mean when we add him 100-120 kg gökdoğan missile and launch him this booster can ascend 20 km alttitude with his 40 km fuel capacity + he can go extra 20 km to target after them he will deattach from missile , first stage gökdoğan will go another 80 km = total 100 km range.

So thats mean we can locate to gabya's 8x vls launchers 32 long range missile + also they have 32 sm-1 who ranged 46 km for medium range. JUST BECAUSE MOST WİDER SECTİON OF MİSSİLE BOOSTER HAVE A 230MM DİAMETER. Not bad. Free aaw ship.

Also we can add 24x siper + 40 essm/g-40 to our barbaros mlu without any vlss add. İn barbaros mlu it would be great free aaw ship. Smart-s mk2 for long range s band + mar-d x band multi function radar and aselsan akr-d good for illumination radar.


Yes we can make a more capable missiles with g-40 base + kasırga but it's a good stop gap until we have min 32x vls loaded ships.

We need quadpack capability.
Dont forget mar-d x band range is 100 km, hmm sounds similar.

 

[Successwill]

-----İmportant-----

Maybe there is a option for making Quadpack Long Range Air Defence Missiles For Our Navy.

How :

Our gökdoğan missile have 65 km range. But Gürcan okumuş say we plan to increase him more bit. Just because missile have more capable for higher ranges.

Never mind if we accept him 65 km ranged, his possible weight will be around 100-110 kg and dimaeter is 160 mm and lenght is 3 meter around like mica's.

That's a kaplan missile. He's diameter is 230mm. He can carry 50 kg warhead + 50 kg around gps +ins + another things of first stage to 35 km range and 10-12.5 km alttitude after that thay freefall to the target. Hes total range is 70 km .

For ascending 12.5 km they spend 2 times more fuel than straitgh like all missiles. So his real range capacity with 100-120 kg first section is 35+25 = 60 km. Thats mean when we add him 100-120 kg gökdoğan missile and launch him this booster can ascend 20 km alttitude with his 40 km fuel capacity + he can go extra 20 km to target after them he will deattach from missile , first stage gökdoğan will go another 80 km = total 100 km range.

So thats mean we can locate to gabya's 8x vls launchers 32 long range missile + also they have 32 sm-1 who ranged 46 km for medium range. JUST BECAUSE MOST WİDER SECTİON OF MİSSİLE BOOSTER HAVE A 230MM DİAMETER. Not bad. Free aaw ship.

Also we can add 24x siper + 40 essm/g-40 to our barbaros mlu without any vlss add. İn barbaros mlu it would be great free aaw ship. Smart-s mk2 for long range s band + mar-d x band multi function radar and aselsan akr-d good for illumination radar.


Yes we can make a more capable missiles with g-40 base + kasırga but it's a good stop gap until we have min 32x vls loaded ships.

We need quadpack capability.
Dont forget mar-d x band range is 100 km, hmm sounds similar.

I like your solutions bro. I follow your insights on DefenceTurk. And i hope some officials see your posts.

 

[SİLAHDAR]

I like your solutions bro. I follow your insights on DefenceTurk. And i hope some officials see your posts.

Thanks dude. We have a good army. But we have also weakness sides on army. Yes maybe we have a bigger projects. Like MMU, Tf-2000, Siper or Hisar-U

But that kind of projects needs much more time for perfection. But we must fill the our army gaps immediately.

Making a air to air missile a air defence missile and adding booster a mid range missile for longer range not a fantasy just a smart solutions.

Just an example : sparrow- sea sparrow-evolved sea sparrow. Or Sparrow aa - terrier- sm-1 - sm-2 - sm-3 or mica - mica vl - aster-15 (mica with booster) -aster-30 etc. or derby- barak 8- barak 8 er. etc.

Yes

adding a g-40 pif-paf nose thrusters + aselsan lwir terminal guidance + sungur like kinetic warhead + trg-300 kasırga booster section will can be give us 120-150 km ranged 20-30 km alttituted anti balistic capable air defence missile .

But

Completeing of g-40 + adding new specs + integrate him eirs or çafrad + add him booster means much more time . Also that kind of missilles means minnimum 300 mm diameter. whic means we cant use him quadpack. That mean we need a minnimum 24-32 vls loaded ships for logical air defence missile capacity .

Anti balistic capability ise not a first mission of Air defence frigates. They are generally carry againts naval strike fighters who best enemy of ships with submarines.

So we need immidieatly a air defence missile which have 100-120 km range and 20 km alttitude. Just because enemies of turkey have much more air launched exoceet and harpoon. For perventing to hims we need that kind of missiles.

On the other hand I dont care much more som-j , scalp like cruise missiles againts ships. Just because they cant have sea skimming capacity, they dont have active radar seeker so that means they have ins + iir which can easily jammed, but that exocets and harpoons real problem. We must shot the fighters before the missile launch.

Trust me if we have 4-6 capable air defence frigate + aesa capable f-16's + Battle survival 500 tank (leo 2a4 modernization + sabras) + gezgin capable type-209's no france nor greece, bae etc. would be problem for us.

But they know they can make a satturation strikes to our ships with hers aircrafts + they know they can hunt our fighters with aesa + meteor carriable rafale like aircrafts from off range + they know leo 2 hel + other 120mm carrier tanks can penetrate leo 2a4's armor if we not modernize him. + They know if they shot our naval ports with suprise strike we cant have second strike capability with our submarines.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Thanks dude. We have a good army. But we have also weakness sides on army. Yes maybe we have a bigger projects. Like MMU, Tf-2000, Siper or Hisar-U

But that kind of projects needs much more time for perfection. But we must fill the our army gaps immediately.

Making a air to air missile a air defence missile and adding booster a mid range missile for longer range not a fantasy just a smart solutions.

Just an example : sparrow- sea sparrow-evolved sea sparrow. Or Sparrow aa - terrier- sm-1 - sm-2 - sm-3 or mica - mica vl - aster-15 (mica with booster) -aster-30 etc. or derby- barak 8- barak 8 er. etc.

Yes

adding a g-40 pif-paf nose thrusters + aselsan lwir terminal guidance + sungur like kinetic warhead + trg-300 kasırga booster section will can be give us 120-150 km ranged 20-30 km alttituted anti balistic capable air defence missile .

But

Completeing of g-40 + adding new specs + integrate him eirs or çafrad + add him booster means much more time . Also that kind of missilles means minnimum 300 mm diameter. whic means we cant use him quadpack. That mean we need a minnimum 24-32 vls loaded ships for logical air defence missile capacity .

Anti balistic capability ise not a first mission of Air defence frigates. They are generally carry againts naval strike fighters who best enemy of ships with submarines.

So we need immidieatly a air defence missile which have 100-120 km range and 20 km alttitude. Just because enemies of turkey have much more air launched exoceet and harpoon. For perventing to hims we need that kind of missiles.

On the other hand I dont care much more som-j , scalp like cruise missiles againts ships. Just because they cant have sea skimming capacity, they dont have active radar seeker so that means they have ins + iir which can easily jammed, but that exocets and harpoons real problem. We must shot the fighters before the missile launch.

Trust me if we have 4-6 capable air defence frigate + aesa capable f-16's + Battle survival 500 tank (leo 2a4 modernization + sabras) + gezgin capable type-209's no france nor greece, bae etc. would be problem for us.

But they know they can make a satturation strikes to our ships with hers aircrafts + they know they can hunt our fighters with aesa + meteor carriable rafale like aircrafts from off range + they know leo 2 hel + other 120mm carrier tanks can penetrate leo 2a4's armor if we not modernize him. + They know if they shot our naval ports with suprise strike we cant have second strike capability with our submarines.

i dont Agree with you about last words...
Turkey produse its own kruise missiles, that Turkey able also to attaCk back. You able to shoot those tanks with anti tank missiles and no tank able to stand against them yet,.
Turkey able to hide ships on blaCk sea and jets on east side of Turkey, how about GreeCe? in any attak, they will loose all their air bases and ports. in case they fly from Franse , they will need to use air refuelling which is easy target for s400, or they will have less fuel to fight with Turkish f16 and means loose for them... Turkey use f16 and locally made air to air missile to shoot down any of those missiles Coming. soon, Bayraktar Akinci will also help that being 24 our ready in the air against any of that situation(saturation attak)

 

[Balamir]

On Sunday, August 30, a test shot will be made against the TCG Işın ship, which was taken out of the inventory of the Atmaca anti-ship missile. This is the first time Atmaca will be used against a real surface target. Probably the missile will be launched from TCG Kınalıada.

 

[ziya]

what we saw todays surprise is TRG230 laser guided version

 

[SİLAHDAR]

What was that launcher is hisar launcher, Looks like Rf Guided. Big probaply Hisar- O Rf but dont look like him.

 

[Lozengrad]

TRLG -230 Missile

 

[ziya]

is it BMC or kamaz?