Turkish Missile Programs
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Guys what happened to the 2500km land based variant of SOM missile ?
It was supposed to be tested this year ?
"2014 yıllarında da seyir füzesinin ilk yer prototip menzili 2500 km’ye çıkarılarak, test çalışmaları başlayacak."
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It was supposed to be tested this year ?
"2014 yıllarında da seyir füzesinin ilk yer prototip menzili 2500 km’ye çıkarılarak, test çalışmaları başlayacak."
TÜBİTAK 2014 hedefi - En Son Teknoloji Haberleri - HTEkonomi
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Probably wont see that for another 2 years
This article is from late december 2013 and it says that 800km was reached and that tests for 1500km would start in mid 2014. So far we havnt heard anything about 1500km or i dont remember hearing.
SOM 800KM Successfully Tested, Next Target 1500KM Mid 2014
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LALE KEMAL
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November 03, 2014, Monday
Turkey’s missile maneuver
Turkey's NATO membership has increasingly come under question in the face of its Syrian policy in general and on a radical terrorist group, in particular, as it has signaled a departure from that of the alliance. Ankara has continued to put conditions on the nature of its participation in a US-led Western/Arab coalition staging air strikes against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), which renamed itself the Islamic State (IS) after declaring a caliphate in the territories that it has occupied in Iraq and Syria. Another area that came into question regarding Turkey's adherence to NATO's security policies was Turkey's selection of a Chinese system for its longstanding project to acquire missile systems back in 2013.
Since then, NATO has been putting pressure on Ankara, saying that Chinese systems will not be compatible with alliance systems. It will also create a security problem for both NATO and Turkey, since the Turkish air defense network is tied to the alliance, NATO also reminds Turkey.
President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, in his capacity as prime minister at the time, put his stamp of approval on the selection of China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation (CPMIEC) over the HQ-9 surface-to-air missile (SAM) system as a means of acquiring long-range air and missile systems (the T-Loramids project).
The French and Italian partnership, the Eurosam consortium, was the runner-up (with its SAMP/T system), and the US Raytheon/Lockheed Martin team was the third-ranked bidder for the T-Loramids project with the Patriot system.
Erdoğan at the time stated that Turkey's preference for China was due to the fact that CPMIEC came up with the lowest price of $3.4 billion in addition to providing for a high technology transfer that would enable Turkey to gain knowledge on the manufacture of highly advanced missiles. Yet senior Turkish defense experts are of the opinion that any missile deal with China will both be more costly than the stated price and that a program with this country carries the danger that Chinese missiles produced with Ankara will not be more than a stand-alone system. This is because NATO will not allow them to operate with the alliance air defense network.
Ankara has begun to realize that it should find a way to stop the talks with China for the T-Loramids project. But while doing so, Ankara also knows that it should not upset Beijing.
One way of halting talks with China would be to develop a new missile project, cancel T-Loramids and open a new tender. According to this scenario, China can also be invited to bid in the new tender for a longer-range, more advanced missile project. And it can be eliminated from this new tender during the process of selecting from among the competitors.
The first sign of the above-mentioned scenario, I guess, was given when President Erdoğan stated on his way back from the NATO summit in Wales in September that Turkey has begun contract talks with Eurosam regarding the T-Loramids project. The move followed disagreements over technology transfer issues with CPMIEC. Erdoğan, however, added that talks with CPMIEC on the same project were also continuing.
“There have been some disagreements that occurred during talks with China over joint production as well as know-how issues. Despite this, talks with China continue, but Eurosam, the runner-up in the project, came up with new offers. Turkey will make a decision in accordance with the offers that will best serve Turkish interests," Erdoğan told journalists on his return from the NATO summit in Wales.
"It is very important for Turkey to take part in the production process of the missiles," he added.
As a matter of fact, a response to my question was given recently by İsmail Demir, undersecretary of the Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM), the country's state-owned main body for arms acquisition. It was confusing, but at the same hinted that the scenario was being put in place for Turkey to eliminate China from the project.
Demir revealed that the SSM has also been talking to Eurosam, not for T-Loramids but for the acquisition of a longer-range missile that involves different layers of defense, although he did not elaborate further. He did, however, add that the SSM is continuing talks with China for the T-Loramids project.
Despite my persistent questions, Demir has fallen short of elaborating further on what exactly he meant, since up until now we know about only one such project, namely, T-Loramids. But now Demir is talking about the existence of a separate project for the development of longer-range, advanced missiles that he said Ankara has been talking to Eurosam about.
Turkish defense industry sources confirmed to me that in addition to T-Loramids the SSM has developed another project for more advanced missiles.
This new SSM project is being kept confidential, but could be conducted in addition to T-Loramids.
However, a Western defense source in Ankara told me that they thought it highly likely that Turkey would instead abandon the T-Loramids project and replace it with the new co-development project.
The SSM will probably open a new tender, perhaps before the end of 2014, for the new co-development project. China is expected to be invited to participate in this tender, too.
It now appears that by developing a new, longer range, more advanced missile project, Ankara will avoid looking like it is backing down on the T-Loramids project with China in the face of NATO pressure. But this new project is also intended to facilitate Ankara's plans to abandon the Chinese system during a new tender.
LALE KEMAL - Turkey’s missile maneuver
l.kemal@todayszaman.com
November 03, 2014, Monday
Turkey’s missile maneuver
Turkey's NATO membership has increasingly come under question in the face of its Syrian policy in general and on a radical terrorist group, in particular, as it has signaled a departure from that of the alliance. Ankara has continued to put conditions on the nature of its participation in a US-led Western/Arab coalition staging air strikes against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), which renamed itself the Islamic State (IS) after declaring a caliphate in the territories that it has occupied in Iraq and Syria. Another area that came into question regarding Turkey's adherence to NATO's security policies was Turkey's selection of a Chinese system for its longstanding project to acquire missile systems back in 2013.
Since then, NATO has been putting pressure on Ankara, saying that Chinese systems will not be compatible with alliance systems. It will also create a security problem for both NATO and Turkey, since the Turkish air defense network is tied to the alliance, NATO also reminds Turkey.
President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, in his capacity as prime minister at the time, put his stamp of approval on the selection of China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation (CPMIEC) over the HQ-9 surface-to-air missile (SAM) system as a means of acquiring long-range air and missile systems (the T-Loramids project).
The French and Italian partnership, the Eurosam consortium, was the runner-up (with its SAMP/T system), and the US Raytheon/Lockheed Martin team was the third-ranked bidder for the T-Loramids project with the Patriot system.
Erdoğan at the time stated that Turkey's preference for China was due to the fact that CPMIEC came up with the lowest price of $3.4 billion in addition to providing for a high technology transfer that would enable Turkey to gain knowledge on the manufacture of highly advanced missiles. Yet senior Turkish defense experts are of the opinion that any missile deal with China will both be more costly than the stated price and that a program with this country carries the danger that Chinese missiles produced with Ankara will not be more than a stand-alone system. This is because NATO will not allow them to operate with the alliance air defense network.
Ankara has begun to realize that it should find a way to stop the talks with China for the T-Loramids project. But while doing so, Ankara also knows that it should not upset Beijing.
One way of halting talks with China would be to develop a new missile project, cancel T-Loramids and open a new tender. According to this scenario, China can also be invited to bid in the new tender for a longer-range, more advanced missile project. And it can be eliminated from this new tender during the process of selecting from among the competitors.
The first sign of the above-mentioned scenario, I guess, was given when President Erdoğan stated on his way back from the NATO summit in Wales in September that Turkey has begun contract talks with Eurosam regarding the T-Loramids project. The move followed disagreements over technology transfer issues with CPMIEC. Erdoğan, however, added that talks with CPMIEC on the same project were also continuing.
“There have been some disagreements that occurred during talks with China over joint production as well as know-how issues. Despite this, talks with China continue, but Eurosam, the runner-up in the project, came up with new offers. Turkey will make a decision in accordance with the offers that will best serve Turkish interests," Erdoğan told journalists on his return from the NATO summit in Wales.
"It is very important for Turkey to take part in the production process of the missiles," he added.
As a matter of fact, a response to my question was given recently by İsmail Demir, undersecretary of the Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM), the country's state-owned main body for arms acquisition. It was confusing, but at the same hinted that the scenario was being put in place for Turkey to eliminate China from the project.
Demir revealed that the SSM has also been talking to Eurosam, not for T-Loramids but for the acquisition of a longer-range missile that involves different layers of defense, although he did not elaborate further. He did, however, add that the SSM is continuing talks with China for the T-Loramids project.
Despite my persistent questions, Demir has fallen short of elaborating further on what exactly he meant, since up until now we know about only one such project, namely, T-Loramids. But now Demir is talking about the existence of a separate project for the development of longer-range, advanced missiles that he said Ankara has been talking to Eurosam about.
Turkish defense industry sources confirmed to me that in addition to T-Loramids the SSM has developed another project for more advanced missiles.
This new SSM project is being kept confidential, but could be conducted in addition to T-Loramids.
However, a Western defense source in Ankara told me that they thought it highly likely that Turkey would instead abandon the T-Loramids project and replace it with the new co-development project.
The SSM will probably open a new tender, perhaps before the end of 2014, for the new co-development project. China is expected to be invited to participate in this tender, too.
It now appears that by developing a new, longer range, more advanced missile project, Ankara will avoid looking like it is backing down on the T-Loramids project with China in the face of NATO pressure. But this new project is also intended to facilitate Ankara's plans to abandon the Chinese system during a new tender.
LALE KEMAL - Turkey’s missile maneuver
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So is this something like the THAAD possibly?
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Be careful about this Lale Kemal aka Lale Sarıibrahimoğlu... She is another version of Burak Bekdil...
And this newspaper, Today's Zaman is an approved traitor newspaper...
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Bro. correct me if i got you wrong...
Do you say that by reading them we can easily understand what is the pain in their *** ?..
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Yes there is a pain. but it does not mean that She will falsify everything to danger her career as Janes Turkey's staff.
She knows lots of people from SSM and defence industry to reach info. Also If you follow the other Turkish defence industry forums some other people also connected already mentioned the Turkey's long range air defence work in secrecy. for ex: long range search radar work already started. maybe more.
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Any comment on this news ?..
They say "Maybe our navy also tested ATMACA and/or SOM,GEZGİN @ South Africa..." by quoting PM Davutoğlu...
Türkiye Güney Afrika'da Gizli Füze Atışı Yaptı - Tarafsız Haber
They say "Maybe our navy also tested ATMACA and/or SOM,GEZGİN @ South Africa..." by quoting PM Davutoğlu...
Türkiye Güney Afrika'da Gizli Füze Atışı Yaptı - Tarafsız Haber
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