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Turkish Land Vehicle Programs

Americans and russians Need them for siberia and Alaska. We also have such paletli vehicles for ambulance.
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If tracked vehicles for conditions like a Siberia and an Alaska why we have Tanks and M113 IFV'es??
Turkish Land Forces uses only tracked m113 IFV's??
Depend on your words: We need only 8x8 and 6x6 IFV's ??
In every winter, in east Turkey, a lot of little cities loose contact, are roads closed. ??Also If enemies destroyed our bridges and roads how will Turkish Army support his army? In winter or everytime you can not use air transport.
Land which you can not step, is not yours!


FNSS Samur may be good platform for MLRS? What is your opinion?
I think ,Turkish Army needs whaled turreted 120mm mortar vehicles.
Nowadays actually I aims and threats are terorist groups, not tanks. First need of Middleeast Country Armies mortars. In Ukrainan war most popular guns were mortars and artillery rockets.
I suppose that even one Turkish defence company has already projected 8x8 IFV with 120mm mortar.
For example
Polish HSW, Patria AMOS 120mm turret and BTR NONA.
 
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I suppose that even one Turkish defence company has already projected 8x8 IFV with 120mm mortar.
For example
Polish HSW, Patria AMOS 120mm turret and BTR NONA.

How about using some of those old M113s and marrying them with an AMOS?

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rocket artillery isn't the only artillery we've got lots of options... one of them being T155

although I will take this moment to acknowledge how awesome AMOS system is
with it's range I'd probably prefer that on an ACV300

that's actually something I've been wanting for a long time @Transhumanist
we could mechanize all our mortar units
 
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How about using some of those old M113s and marrying them with an AMOS?
Great idea but M113 with turret seems not smart. Because m113 high vehicle and plus turret it will be very high.
We already done own new IFV Otokar Tulpar:) Tulpar with AMOS turret will be great.
Or TULPAR with 122mm MLRS:))))))))) If i can use photoshop, immeaditly i will imagine it.

I think ,ARMA or PARS 8x8 wheeled IFV also we must have! 120mm mortars doing good job against terrorism. In cities , You must use wheeled vehicles if you dont destroyed your roads:))

In our cities we need wheeled IFV like BTR NONA.
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155mm howitzer is verry powerful also very big and heavy and slow. 122mm rocket artillery doing fast fire pressure! 120mm mortars and howitsers not heavy and fast.

USSR especially projected and produced Gvozdika 122mm self propelled howitzer(also 120mm mortar)for fights in Kafkas,Iran and Turkey against NATO.

As you know mortars and howitzer and tank rounds are differents.
Only Gvozdika can use same time two different rounds. 122mm mortar and 122mm howitzer round.
Gvozdika great platform was most usefull in alot of, also Ukraine war.
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Turkish Army very often use 105mm howitzer. Why we dont think about mechanized 105mm howitzer?
This is not 105mm anti-tank , this is 105mm howitzer:)

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GDLS Artillery team has also been working on a self propelled howitzer, as part of an industry team developing artillery fire support systems utilizing the C-130 transportable Stryker platform and the South African Denel 105mm Self-propelled howitzer gun design. The main armament is a 52 Caliber 105mm gun, with effective range of 30 km with unassisted ammunition, and over 40 km with rocket assisted projectiles. The turret is fitted with an assisted rammer. The vehicle has ammunition stowage of 56 rounds. While offering equal effectiveness, the 105 ammunition weighs about half the weight of comparable 155mm projectiles. The 105 mm Mobile Gun System (MGS), the SpH can also fire armor-piercing discarding sabot (APFSDS) rounds in direct fire, at targets range of 0-3,000 meters. The Stryker SpH has a combat weight of about 45,000 lbs.


Chinese did it!
Chinese sh5 105mm howitzer
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Chineese 122mm howitzer.
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Anyway its enough for me :)
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South African Denel G6 has 155mm artillery on wheeled platform.

You also have French Ceasars, Swedish SAAB platform.

I recall reading that phase 2 of the panter project was intended to fix wheeled artillery.

For me 105 screams more mobile, fast moving units. 155 is we're here to stay.

A 105 version like you mentioned could be of good use in a war like in Ukraine, shoot & scoot. Think SF guys in Engerek vehicle.
 
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Like this?
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But I prefer British FV433 ABBAT Because it is armoured, it is self propelled , and smart.
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South African Denel G6 has 155mm artillery on wheeled platform.

You also have French Ceasars, Swedish SAAB platform.

I recall reading that phase 2 of the panter project was intended to fix wheeled artillery.

For me 105 screams more mobile, fast moving units. 155 is we're here to stay.

A 105 version like you mentioned could be of good use in a war like in Ukraine, shoot & scoot. Think SF guys in Engerek vehicle.
T155 can shoot & scoot just fine

only reason we're developing a 105mm howitzer is to make it transportable by medium lift helicopters such as AS532s and Mi17s and blackhawks

Anyway its enough for me :)
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That's not a howitzer, that's a rifled tank gun AFAIK

It's for direct fire infantry support but it can also fvck up tanks if the right situation arises

it can't even fire vertically, it only elevates to 42 degrees
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South African Denel G6 has 155mm artillery on wheeled platform.

You also have French Ceasars, Swedish SAAB platform.

I recall reading that phase 2 of the panter project was intended to fix wheeled artillery.

For me 105 screams more mobile, fast moving units. 155 is we're here to stay.

A 105 version like you mentioned could be of good use in a war like in Ukraine, shoot & scoot. Think SF guys in Engerek vehicle.

Yep. Panter Block 2 will be coming around 2018. Boran will also have a wheeled version.
 
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what makes them think this could be any better than a dedicated spg chassis I don't even know

guys, we've got the best thing that is T155 Fırtına
I don't know what you're looking for

MLRS' fire quickly but they take a million years to load
FV433 is very poorly armored, has poor firepower and crappy engine

yeah that 105mm SPG has less mobility than our 155mm SPG
 
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I think someone is trying to say "use" Mortar against Terrorists but you would not use Mortar Shells to bomb your own City.


Those Nona & Mostly others are Mortars and not Artillery, if there will be a Panther Block 2 then it will not like T-155 which has a high Fire Rate.

It would more like this :

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This is France Caesar?
I am looking forward new wheeled PANTHER 2. :))

Yes I knew:) Nona is mortar, so it has low recoill, ammo capacity is more. Nona often use on wheeled BTR for the cities. If your enemy or terrorists occupied one street near the forest or field like our southeast cities, you have to use mortar. Mortar isn't for the Istanbul-Taksim. (but If will be need, we will use it).

Mortar for Lice, Semdinli, Nusaybin,Kagizman etc. Tanks and IFVies tracking vehicles not comfartable, not economic and they destroye the roads.

If you want to howitzer with mortar you may look the GVOZDIKA. It uses 122mm artillery shell and 120mm mortar round at the same time. Vehicle has computer , calculating how shoot. Vehicle closed and armoured, soldiersare in safe.
Our FNSS 120mm mortar vehicle not smart.!!FNSS has little space. Gvozdika more smart and self loading system. Gvozdika also can fire directly like a tank.

FV433 old vehicle from 20th century but platform is very smart.It weight max 17 tons. And fire range 17000m.
SPG doesnt need strong armour.
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Turkey can produced this platform with new technology armours. Aselsan easlly upgraded and recovering it.

UK doesnt need howitzer vehicles because They are on the west and on the island. We are living near the hell.

In Ukraine, in Donestk OBSE fixed that Separatist have TOS-1 Buratino!!!!!!!!!!
Why separatist have used against Regular Army artillery rockets? Why have separatist used GVOZDIKA and also NONA??
Why Regular Army cant use fighters and attack aircrafts???
New war doctrines have prefered a lot of micro guns.

T155 great gun we love it. I precieded them who produced. But also we need other guns like TOS-1, Gvozdika, Nona.
Why hunting mouse by .50 cal machine gun in the range 100meters.??
For mice enough and comfartable and usefull .22lR!
Unfortunally, due-to Geographic conditions you can not allways use 155mm howitzer.

Samsung SPG EVO-105mm. Great Platform. High technolgy and simple.
Only 5 ton truck. Shoot and scout. Great accuracy, ammo store.
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This an other SPG 105mm
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Lets imagine that : Turkish Chinooks with Turkish Tracked or wheealed 105mm Self Propelling Gun like
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