Turkish Geopolitics/ Foreign Affairs

[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1155847007464017920

Never seen African soldiers look this skilled and competent. Turkish training must be extremely effective.

 

[Bismarck]

Never seen African soldiers look this skilled and competent. Turkish training must be extremely effective.

To be honest. They should little pump up there body. Protein and bodybuilding could help. I have seen 13 years old teenagers with more muscles.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Never seen African soldiers look this skilled and competent. Turkish training must be extremely effective.

You fall for illusion of pictures that show organization in poses and take it to conclude effectiveness in a force, extremely effective on top of that.

 

[Brutas]

How's Turkey's relation with Albania-Kosovo-Bosnia these days ....?

 

[Nurhak40]

To be honest. They should little pump up there body. Protein and bodybuilding could help. I have seen 13 years old teenagers with more muscles.

i know somalis very well and together with most ethopians somalis are very thin and tall people in origin. they can pump up but they can never be like a nigerian or someone from congo

 

[rajvoSa]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1155877160424488960

smart dude
bye bye southernflank
Meditrean sea no more NATOs lake

 

[MKALE1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1155877160424488960

smart dude
bye bye southernflank
Meditrean sea no more NATOs lake

No more presence of NATO asset in our soil near future, as they wanted they kick us out of it.

 

[Mucahit]

To be honest. They should little pump up there body. Protein and bodybuilding could help. I have seen 13 years old teenagers with more muscles.

Are you actually for real? These people could barely find food a few years ago (to clarify the severity of their situation) and you want them to take Protein and do bodybuilding? This country was torn apart and is suffering from pirates to radical militants. No country except Turkey would land in the country let alone invest. Do you even geography? Unfortunately, they don't have schnitzels and currywurst with gigantic bavarian bears.

 

[Turan09]

Are you actually for real? These people could barely find food a few years ago (to clarify the severity of their situation) and you want them to take Protein and do bodybuilding? This country was torn apart and is suffering from pirates to radical militants. No country except Turkey would land in the country let alone invest. Do you even geography? Unfortunately, they don't have schnitzels and currywurst with gigantic bavarian bears.

I agree with you And one little note' a soldier doesnt have to be so muscular, we live in the 21st century so brutal strength doesnt mean anything... not anymore but endurance and discipline is The important thing. So we shouldnt tricked by hollywood rambo effect.

 

[azyr]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1155877160424488960

smart dude
bye bye southernflank
Meditrean sea no more NATOs lake

Here's the article in full (it's behind a paywall) ;

he Turks are nothing if not fighters. Ottoman invaders got as far as Vienna in 1683, to the terror of Christian Europe. Fast forward to Gallipoli in 1915-16, where the Turks repulsed a huge Allied landing, one of their commanders being Kemal Ataturk, the father of republican Turkey. Move on again to the Korean War where, in four battles in 1950, 5,000 Turkish troops took on Chinese forces three times their size and won.

Turkey joined Nato in 1952, acting as a southern bulwark against the Soviet Union and a western but Muslim redoubt in the Middle East. That relationship has now deteriorated to the point where some are demanding Turkey’s expulsion from Nato, with the inevitable question of who lost Turkey sure to follow. Whether it’s China in 1949 or Turkey in 2019, the US cannot afford to lose anywhere.

The immediate crisis is Turkey’s $2.5 billion purchase of four batteries of Russia’s S-400 air defence system after the US got cold feet over selling Ankara its Patriot rival. Although the radars on this Russian system cannot interfere with the software of American F-35 fighters, they can identify the profile of these jets (though the same is true of Russian Su-57 fighters, something that does not bother Moscow).

So far, Donald Trump has ignored congressional clamour to retaliate by expelling Turkey from Nato or to impose sanctions. He enjoys good relations with the austere Turkish strongman Recep Tayyip Erdogan and is prepared to go along with the fiction that it will take a year or so to deploy these Russian missiles.

Historically close ties between American and Turkish militaries were soured in 2003 when President Erdogan prevented the US using Turkey to invade Iraq, and US troops roughed up Turkish special forces during a raid in Kurdish Suleimaniyah. The US may have forgotten that; Turkish commanders have not.


Erdogan remains suspicious that the US was involved in a failed 2016 coup against him — suspicions fostered by Russian intelligence and seemingly confirmed by Washington’s refusal to extradite the coup’s alleged figurehead, the cleric Fethullah Gulen. The F-16s of rebel airmen that stalked Erdogan’s jet and strafed the parliament took off from Incirlik, which has a heavy US presence.

For Erdogan the coup was a defining moment, which is why 150,000 civil servants lost their jobs and 77,000 people are in prison, 800 of them babies born there. Worse, while Trump may have abandoned the Syrian Kurds, the US military feels honour-bound to ensure that Turkey, Russia and Syria do not expel these former allies from the Turkish border areas where Erdogan is determined to remove them.

Perhaps over-confidently, the West imagines that Turkey’s dismal economic situation, and signs that Erdogan’s electoral popularity is waning, will mean that Turkey returns to the fold. After all, some western neocons have a substitute ally waiting on the sidelines, namely a new axis of Greece, Cyprus and Israel, interlinked by east Mediterranean natural gas — though so far without a 2,000km-long pipeline to bring it Europe. Erdogan will just have to lump the customary western approach of blowing hot on Nato and cold on human rights, or in Europe’s case of dangling Turkish membership of the EU while populists drone on about 80 million Turks turning up in Bolton or Bremen.

But this underestimates what Russia and China are doing with Turkey. Russia would love to prise Turkey out of Nato, which is why it swallowed the Turkish downing of a Russian fighter jet in 2015 and the assassination of its ambassador to Ankara a year later. Turkey has also become a key player in the Syrian peace process, along with Russia and Iran, since Erdogan’s “frenemy” Bashar al-Assad won the civil war.

Russia senses waning US interest in the Middle East — Israel and Saudi Arabia excepted — and an opportunity to restore its influence, while selling armaments that have been successfully tested in the Syrian bloodbath. Can the US afford to punish the likes of Egypt, Qatar and Saudi Arabia if they follow Turkey in buying Russian weapons?

China is no less interested in Turkey. During his visit to Beijing earlier this month, Erdogan sought to establish his country at the heart of Xi Jinping’s Belt and Road initiative. He spoke of a land corridor through Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan that will link China to Europe.

The prospect of Chinese inward investment, which Turkey desperately needs, ensured that Erdogan made a key declaration: “the peoples of the Xinjiang region [of China] live happily thanks to China’s development and prosperity”. It is quite something when a Turkish president is less concerned about the plight of Uighur Muslims in China than the US secretary of state or the BBC. Despite 30,000 Uighurs living in exile in Turkey, Turkish media now depicts them as CIA stooges.

While it is too early to say if Turkey has been lost, this is clearly more than a rocky patch in a long marriage. Whether China comes up with the investments, or Russia proves more than a fairweather friend, remains to be seen. But both the EU and US should think very carefully before they “lose” Turkey in a fit of pique about a few missiles, which Erdogan has partly acquired to ensure no members of his own air force try to overthrow him again.

Michael Burleigh is Engelsberg Chair of History and Global Affairs at LSE Ideas

 

[Bismarck]

Are you actually for real? These people could barely find food a few years ago (to clarify the severity of their situation) and you want them to take Protein and do bodybuilding? This country was torn apart and is suffering from pirates to radical militants. No country except Turkey would land in the country let alone invest. Do you even geography? Unfortunately, they don't have schnitzels and currywurst with gigantic bavarian bears.

I talked about what is necessary even it is hard to realize. Btw, a country with less food and protein producer, sounds like a market gap for buisines.

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

To all the AKP retards on this forum. You've done it again. You b*stards are driving us into a hole. Now the US is setting up a so called safe zone together with Akar and Erdogan's approval, so in other words YPG will be slightly pushed back but will ultimately continue on their path.

YPG/PKK will continue to grow untouched by TSK. A safe zone doesn't change the fact that YPG is on it's path to 150k members. They are literally just going to move south a bit... meanwhile the west will continue to arm them. And all we are going to do is do joint patrols together with Americans. I hope we can f*ck this deal off and start an operation. There won't be peace until we decimate YPG.

 

[KingWest]

To all the AKP retards on this forum. You've done it again. You b*stards are driving us into a hole. Now the US is setting up a so called safe zone together with Akar and Erdogan's approval, so in other words YPG will be slightly pushed back but will ultimately continue on their path.

YPG/PKK will continue to grow untouched by TSK. A safe zone doesn't change the fact that YPG is on it's path to 150k members. They are literally just going to move south a bit... meanwhile the west will continue to arm them. And all we are going to do is do joint patrols together with Americans. I hope we can f*ck this deal off and start an operation. There won't be peace until we decimate YPG.

Lets see how the safe zone will look like. If we can see that the YPG does not have a border with the Iraqi Kurdish region, and the YPG is pushed south than this is a positive development. The most kurdish populated cities are in the North. A southern YPG state is not viable since these areas will be heavily arab dominated without a border with Iraqi Kuridstan and as such will be heavily dependent on Iraq, Syria, and Turkey.

Edit: since the wording of the agreement is so vague, we can only hope that this time we have achieved something good diplomatically instead of a Menbic 2.0.

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

Lets see how the safe zone will look like. If we can see that the YPG does not have a border with the Iraqi Kurdish region, and the YPG is pushed south than this is a positive development. The most kurdish populated cities are in the North. A southern YPG state is not viable since these areas will be heavily arab dominated without a border with Iraqi Kuridstan and as such will be heavily dependent on Iraq, Syria, and Turkey.

I can tell you for sure that the US will maintain a border with Iraqi Kurdistan...

For years YPG grew and we did nothing to stop them. I can't even begin to explain how stupid AKP supporters are. How could you support such a incompetent government...

We should put those S400s to good use and make a no fly zone over northern Syria. Then we should start the operation. No, America can't militarily stop us in northern Syria. I don't care how bad it will be for the economy, we need to destroy YPG as soon as possible.

 

[Glass]

The main argument here is !valid! The ypg will continue to exist and they will continue to arm them (Probably even more then before) so its a very stupid move by turkey.