Turkish F-16s are going to Greece

[Foinikas]

It is wishfull thinking and i would say stupid thing to do, last arm race with them screwed your country and made you more then ever dependant on EU bailouts.

Well,we had to upgrade our Armed Forces anyway. Would you have stopped arming yourselves against Serbs or whoever else wanted to come and take BiH? There's no choice,but to arm in a way that it doesn't completely destroy your economy and can bleed the enemy long enough for a ceasefire or help from another country to come.

You are neighbours and its better to live and let live

Well the,disarm your nukes and tell Modi "Why can't we be friends?" I mean,come on man,what are you saying?

The best thing is for Greece to stop with ther crazy claims from EEZ to airspace.

No man,because the Turkish government keeps demanding. The EEZ is ours and Erdogan's been trying to grab parts out of nowhere. Let's say we find a solution. Next you will have Akar talk about demilitarizing the islands of Eastern Aegean. Let's say we take all the small garrisons that we have on the islands. Then MHP and Cavusoglu might say "Hey,give the Dodecanese back". Then they will grab it. The problem is that with governments like Erdogan's,they make a claim out of nothing just to grab half of it. They started talking about the Cypriot EEZ when they had absolutely no right to do that because it was on the Greek Cypriot part. Then Akar said on TV "hey,let's do this kazan-kazan". Ama ne kazan-kazan?

If AKP really wanted a good and honest neighborly friend,they wouldn't have pulled all that. Especially when they supposedly found a "massive gas field in the Black Sea". They wouldn't provoke with overflights and violations of the air space and naval waters and wouldn't print maps of "Mavi Vatan" which is essentially an expansionist agenda.

They would have collaborated with us just like Italy and Egypt did.

 

[Zhukov]

Gave a very wrong impression in title lol

 

[Trango Towers]

Think about your advice towards india

I say the same. We have to live together ..

Today tomorrow and the day after. Its better to resolve the issues and the only winner is America and other colonial powers like Britain and France. They milk us for money. Take Greece its bankrupt and owned by Germany in terms of debt but France encourages it to stand up to Turkey and sells it weapons. Turks are doing the same. India pakistan the same. Ultimately our people die and suffer

 

[Oublious]

No man,because the Turkish government keeps demanding. The EEZ is ours and Erdogan's been trying to grab parts out of nowhere. Let's say we find a solution. Next you will have Akar talk about demilitarizing the islands of Eastern Aegean. Let's say we take all the small garrisons that we have on the islands. Then MHP and Cavusoglu might say "Hey,give the Dodecanese back". Then they will grab it. The problem is that with governments like Erdogan's,they make a claim out of nothing just to grab half of it. They started talking about the Cypriot EEZ when they had absolutely no right to do that because it was on the Greek Cypriot part. Then Akar said on TV "hey,let's do this kazan-kazan". Ama ne kazan-kazan?

If AKP really wanted a good and honest neighborly friend,they wouldn't have pulled all that. Especially when they supposedly found a "massive gas field in the Black Sea". They wouldn't provoke with overflights and violations of the air space and naval waters and wouldn't print maps of "Mavi Vatan" which is essentially an expansionist agenda.

They would have collaborated with us just like Italy and Egypt did.

Sorry, you don't have any idea you are talking about, the dispute was before Erdogan and after Erdogan dispute will stay like that untill you stop with your dumb claims.

 

[Foinikas]

Sorry, you don't have any idea you are talking about, the dispute was before Erdogan and after Erdogan dispute will stay like that untill you stop with your dumb claims.

Our dumb claims? You claim a bordering EEZ to Libya

 

[Apollon]

We would go to war probably, so what is your alternative?
On serious note, we know what is root of dispute, that is maritime border and EEZ, once you solve that i have no doubt that you will be good neighbours, untill then you can play ping pong blaiming game.

Its already solved.

 

[MMM-E]

So you admit that the Turks are violating Greek air space. Basically doing something illegal and acting aggressive,rising tensions in the region.

its not Greek air space , but its international air space


--- Greece violate of agreements that obligate a demilitarized status of the Aegean islands.

--- In the mid-1990s, Greece had attempted to extend its territorial waters in the Aegean Sea to 12 nautical miles but scuttled the plan after Turkiye declared that such a move would be a casus belli, or cause for war


The balance established in the Aegean Sea by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne in its own favor. for instance, in 1936, Greece unilaterally increased its territorial waters to 6 nautical miles, originally set at 3 miles by the treaty

The de facto situation it created was ignored by Turkiye due to the positive attitude that dominated relations between the two countries at that time ...... but Turkiye never will allow Greece to increase its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles

Ours are not violating Turkish Air Space. Apollon might tell you that we reach Ankara,but no.

Nobody can violate Turkish air space
Russian SU-24 violated Turkish air space and Russian SU-24 was shot down by Turkish F-16s in 27 seconds

Rafale and F-16Vs don't win a war alone,
but they do provide big advantages. We need A LOT of other things too. And first of all a solution for the drones. Then upgrading some of the air defence,we need more ships and we need UCAVs and IFVs.

Turkiye is reeal military power with its own defense industry

Greece can not match with even Turkish Missiles which can destroy all Greek Air Defense Systems , Radars , Jet Hangars , Warships , etc in a few days


Greek program producer Ioannis Theodoratos talks about the ATMACA, KARA ATMACA, GEZGİN, CAKIR, BORA, SOM , KUZGUN-TJ , TRLG-230 missiles which will be used for saturation attack that will pose a great danger to the Greek mainland, islands and navy

also there are around 1.000 HARPY , HARPOON , SLAM-ER , HARM , ATACMS , JSOW and POPEYE

also Turkish supersonic cruise missiles and many more on the way

 

[Foinikas]

its not Greek air space , but its international air space


--- Greece violate of agreements that obligate a demilitarized status of the Aegean islands.

--- In the mid-1990s, Greece had attempted to extend its territorial waters in the Aegean Sea to 12 nautical miles but scuttled the plan after Turkiye declared that such a move would be a casus belli, or cause for war


The balance established in the Aegean Sea by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne in its own favor. for instance, in 1936, Greece unilaterally increased its territorial waters to 6 nautical miles, originally set at 3 miles by the treaty

The de facto situation it created was ignored by Turkiye due to the positive attitude that dominated relations between the two countries at that time ...... but Turkiye never will allow Greece to increase its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles

Maybe you live in a parallel universe,but when Turkish F-16s fly over greek Islands and islets,that's considered a violation of international law.

 

[MMM-E]

Maybe you live in a parallel universe,but when Turkish F-16s fly over greek Islands and islets,that's considered a violation of international law.

Daydreamer Greeks live in a parallel universe

by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne , Greek Islands have territorial waters of 3 nm ,,,
but in 1936, Greece unilaterally increased its territorial waters to 6 nautical miles, originally set at 3 miles by the treaty

The de facto situation it created was ignored by Turkiye due to the positive attitude that dominated relations between the two countries at that time.


In 1974-76, 1986 and 1996, Greece repeatedly tried to create new de facto situations to increase its territorial waters in the Aegean Sea to 12 miles

so Turkish F-16s fly over international air space ... ( we are kicking Greek dreams )

if Turkish F-16s fly over Greek air space then go and shoot down Turkish F-16s
but Greece can not do it because Turkish F-16s fly over international air space

 

[mulj]

Well,we had to upgrade our Armed Forces anyway. Would you have stopped arming yourselves against Serbs or whoever else wanted to come and take BiH? There's no choice,but to arm in a way that it doesn't completely destroy your economy and can bleed the enemy long enough for a ceasefire or help from another country to come.

You as country can do whatever it wants but in grander scheme of things frankly speaking those efforts are insignificant and you would present always just small distraction to the Tyrkie in military sense, your only guaranty is NATO and it is better for you to not overspend to much as it would be at the end useless in comparation.

Its already solved.

Yea, like in heads of greeks, so why do not drill it areas claimed by Turks?

 

[Foinikas]

Daydreamer Greeks live in a parallel universe

by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne , Greek Islands have territorial waters of 3 nm ,,,
but in 1936, Greece unilaterally increased its territorial waters to 6 nautical miles, originally set at 3 miles by the treaty

The de facto situation it created was ignored by Turkiye due to the positive attitude that dominated relations between the two countries at that time.


In 1974-76, 1986 and 1996, Greece repeatedly tried to create new de facto situations to increase its territorial waters in the Aegean Sea to 12 miles

so Turkish F-16s fly over international air space ... ( we are kicking Greek dreams )

if Turkish F-16s fly over Greek air space then go and shoot down Turkish F-16s
but Greece can not do it because Turkish F-16s fly over international air space

Spoiler Alert: It's called International Law.

You should sign it.

Oh wait,here's where MMM-E plays the other song called "Even USA did not sign it".

You as country can do whatever it wants but in grander scheme of things frankly speaking those efforts are insignificant and you would present always just small distraction to the Tyrkie in military sense, your only guaranty is NATO and it is better for you to not overspend to much as it would be at the end useless in comparation.

No I understand what you're saying,but then again,what would you guys do if Serbs were out to get you as Republika Srbija and Republika Srpska? Just give up and say "well we don't have the budget to compete with them"? :/

 

[Oublious]

Ther is nothing that back Greece claim, the only thing what Greece was trying ask back up with Western powers to pressure Turkey accept that dumb claims. In the end Turkey won the battle, Greece is barking time to time and complain about it.

The dispute goes a bit “higher” than the continental shelf though. Like those annoying neighbours who keep pushing their fence backwards into your garden, so Greece have decided that their airspace extends not the usual 6nm (based off territorial waters), but 10nm. Turkey refuse to recognise those extra 4nm as Greek. Nor do ICAO who have a 1948 statute saying airspace must coincide with territorial water boundaries.

LoL

This is how the world thinks of Greece.

 

[Foinikas]

Ther is nothing that back Greece claim, the only thing what Greece was trying ask back up with Western powers to pressure Turkey accept that dumb claims. In the end Turkey won the battle, Greece is barking time to time and complain about it.

Turkey hasn't "won the battle",there's no settlement yet. The one who barks is Turkey,because when we say we will drill in our EEZ,you guys go crazy and threaten with war. Lol! Every time. The answer to everything for Turkey is "if you do that we go to war".

Cypriots wanted to drill on their EEZ which is on their side

It's not even on the Turkish or Turkish Cypriot side! It's towards Israel and Lebanon.

And Akar and Cavusoglu were like "Hey it's one island so you have to share the profits! If you drill we'll reply accordingly! Hey hey! If you drill we'll go to war!"

And then they go like "Hey Yunanistan doesn't want to solve problems peacefully,they always have maximalist policies".

Grow up and sign the UNCLOS. You can't talk about "international law" when you don't abide by international law.

 

[MMM-E]

Grow up and sign the UNCLOS. You can't talk about "international law" when you don't abide by international law.

Why have not USA and Israel signed the UNCLOS 1982 ?


Even UNCLOS 1982 doesnt say that Greek Islands have Continental Shelf of 200 nm , only Territorial Water of 6nm ... Greece is not archipelagic State like Indonesia , Philippines , New Zelland , etc

a tiny Greek Island which is just 10 km2 and 580 km away from Greek Mainland and just 2 km away from Turkish Mainland can not generate EEZ of 200 nm ...
so by international law. Greek EEZ should start from Greek Mainland ,, not from every tiny Greek Island

Greece has no any right in the Eastern Mediterranean .... baseless Greek claims have no any value by international law

therefore Greece , France wants to use military power and economic sanction cards against Turkiye to steal oil/gas reserves from the Turks

Nobody can steal our EEZ .... War or economic sanction wont change anything

 

[Foinikas]

Why have not USA and Israel signed the UNCLOS 1982 ?


Even UNCLOS 1982 doesnt say that Greek Islands have Continental Shelf of 200 nm , only Territorial Water of 6nm ... Greece is not archipelagic State like Indonesia , Philippines , New Zelland , etc

a tiny Greek Island which is just 10 km2 and 580 km away from Greek Mainland and just 2 km away from Turkish Mainland can not generate EEZ of 200 nm ...
so by international law. Greek EEZ should start from Greek Mainland ,, not from every tiny Greek Island

Greece has no any right in the Eastern Mediterranean ....

The exact same posts again and again. You keep posting the same things all the time.


Tell me,do you see USA and Israel as an example? Pakistan signed UNCLOS,China signed it,Arab countries signed it,Iran signed it.

So what about Cyprus? Don't they have the right to drill on their own EEZ? What's your problem there?