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We just love to place "National" "Indineous" on everything.
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We just love to place "National" "Indineous" on everything.
Well it's a little bit of patriotism, getting the public conditioned into 'we can do it' is not a bad thing.
No, i'm not arguing about that. But buying foreign parts and assembling them, does not makes our engine "National".
The first thing i spotted on this "National Engine" is... it's "HELIX" propeller.
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made in Germany.
Die Helix Carbon GmbH | HELIX-AIRCRAFT
I doubt that there is a single "National part" on that engine.
Prop should not mist your judgement into thinking the way you are, it is good to have a bit of a step back attitude with concern to Turkish media and how it reports things, but KokpitAero is a very good media outlet.
As for the prop AFAIK such prop manufacturers do not exist in Turkey, so purchasing off the shelf on some items that do not exist nationally, or does not conform to quality standards should not be a barrier to advance manufacturing @ home.
Mate, my project in university project was much more complex than this project. I only talked about prop to give an example. I still don't believe there is a Turkish made part on this engine.
As it has been made by two retired technicians and one mechanical engineer.... Can you believe how stupid it sounds.
Also, making a prop is not a big deal. I have made one from fiber-glass and more advanced ones can be built in carbon-fiber in Turkey too. For example, TAI has the needed facilities for making composite materials like carbon-fiber.
The problem here is buying everything off the shelf, combining them and present this as a national engine, and project team is 3 man............more embrasing this is making into news and we are disscusing about it in a defence site.
Yes yes yes, we have a huge automative industry. But why the hell Otosan or Tofaş aren't showing interested in this project? I can understand Koç Holdings' frustration after MİLGEM but what about Tofaş? why not them?For anyone Interested in Turkish engineers ability to produce engines, I suggest you look up Otosan who has produced 66,000 engines developed by Turkish engineers for Ford Cargo trucks. 4 (yes 1-2-3-4) Turkish engineers developed that engine.
Yes yes yes, we have a huge automative industry. But why the hell Otosan or Tofaş aren't showing interested in this project? I can understand Koç Holdings' frustration after MİLGEM but what about Tofaş? why not them?
I think some of them have realy strong relationship to outside and this is effecting of their decisions. We need a serious cooperation with several automative companies and universities to catch succeed but how to do ? We are need rapid solution...
How to do is crystal clear, it's governments job to coordinate a project which will involve companies, universities etc...
Or just give the task and funds to Tubitak, they will organize everything and came up with the product eventually. I love Tubitak.
Thats true, they would licence produce a car rather than make a indigenous one, its really hard to catch up to the old and known companys today.Tofas is a piece of shit and not worthly. Amq cheap fiat nothing more. Its not difficult to make a 4 stroke engine, the problem is nobody want to invest. So i dont see a Turkish engine for automotive, yes licence production maybe.
Let's say we have a engine develops. In which car are we going to use? Its not only developing engine but its needs to be cost effective.
When bmw is developing a engine and a model they are putting 300 a 500 milion euro. Which company is going to invest bilions?
it will take long time, maybe i can search this week and send them on that thread.
little search
Fatih YILMAZ - İzmir Vapurlarına “TÜLOMSAŞ Marine” Yakışır
HEMA ENDÜSTRİ A.Ş.
http://www.tumosan.com.tr/tr/index.php/motor.
Mate, please.... just one man made an experimental motor and asks for the govermental back-up.. not to mention it's a single cylinder.
Gamak - ANASAYFA
http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_Sanayi_ve_Ticaret_A.%C5%9E