Turkish Authorities Disprove Plane Shot Down by Syria

[LegionnairE]

No,actually this type of Turkey's behavior is very much normal for Turks and their leaders every time they loose.....they just can't swallow the truth, denial is actually a national pass time in Turkey.

Oh don't be like this, is it so weird that we have assumed plane was shot down by Syria even though there was no evidence to it? Because Asad himself said they shot down the phucking plane?

Russia supplies around 70 percent of Turkey's energy....if cut the Turkish military will come to an abrupt halt cold on its tracks. Russia also has a much larger military.

Trust me, we can do without Russia's neutral gas. We have an ambudant source of coal reserves, We produce most of our electricity from hydro-electric power plants. We have everything we need.

As i said, We are going to have to fight with Russia eventually. There's a great clash of infulential spheres, Georgia, Armenia, Syria and so... everything in Turkey was designed to welcome a USSR assault during cold war, things can turn back to their old state rapidly. With reserve forces activated we are estimated to reach 2.5 million troops in a matter of hours. Either we find a way or we make one.

You Armenians should be worrying about yourselves.

 

[Kajutyun]

Why would Russia and Turkey fight? Turkey would never officially intervene in a future Karabakh conflict.

 

[blackeyes90]

Why would Russia and Turkey fight? Turkey would never officially intervene in a future Karabakh conflict.

finally! that's what I'm saying to you Turkey nor Russia cant intervene in Karabakh because it brought to much attention to the Western Countrys especialy USA.Future of Karabagh is up to Armenian Army and Azerbaijan's Army . in a sign of any unstable situation in Caucasus I am expecting a war between Armenia-Azerbaijan.

 

[Kajutyun]

finally! that's what I'm saying to you Turkey nor Russia cant intervene in Karabakh because it brought to much attention to the Western Countrys especialy USA.Future of Karabagh is up to Armenian Army and Azerbaijan's Army . in a sign of any unstable situation in Caucasus I am expecting a war between Armenia-Azerbaijan.

lol I've been trying to make this point since signing up on this forum. Unfortunately, many of your Turkish brothers are obsessed with this "two states, one nation" BS and are convinced that Azerbaijan has Turkey's unconditional love. However, you're only half right. Not only does Russia have a bilateral security pact with Armenia, but it is also a part of CSTO. The CSTO excercises taking place now are an AFFIRMATION that Russia will support Armenia.

Now, you will probably say that Turkey also has a defense pact with Azerbaijan, but it is null and void (as NATO stipulations prevent bilateral defense pacts unless agreed upon by all members). You will also probably say that the CSTO and bilateral pacts do not apply because NKR is not considered Armenian and therefore not applicable. But you have to understand that Azerbaijan would be forced to attack Armenia as well, because Armenia will be giving direct military assistance to NKR.

Russia does not care about the "attention of Western countries", as we have seen in 2008 Ossetian war.

 

[blackeyes90]

lol I've been trying to make this point since signing up on this forum. Unfortunately, many of your Turkish brothers are obsessed with this "two states, one nation" BS and are convinced that Azerbaijan has Turkey's unconditional love. However, you're only half right. Not only does Russia have a bilateral security pact with Armenia, but it is also a part of CSTO. The CSTO excercises taking place now are an AFFIRMATION that Russia will support Armenia.

Now, you will probably say that Turkey also has a defense pact with Azerbaijan, but it is null and void (as NATO stipulations prevent bilateral defense pacts unless agreed upon by all members). You will also probably say that the CSTO and bilateral pacts do not apply because NKR is not considered Armenian and therefore not applicable. But you have to understand that Azerbaijan would be forced to attack Armenia as well, because Armenia will be giving direct military assistance to NKR.

Russia does not care about the "attention of Western countries", as we have seen in 2008 Ossetian war.

And we back for square one!

I'am tired to discuss with you on this matter.I tell you what ; something happens by that i mean local war between Armenia-Azerbaijan in the Caucasus in the near future regarding to this issue then we will see who is right , and who is wrong. But Current Russian Goverment is using Armenia as a pawn.And the right time cames they will sell you to the highest bidder!

End Note:you didnt answer my economi related questions ? I really wanna know your Country's current finance situation.If you give me a honest answer I'd appreciate it

 

[Oublious]

When ther is war between Azerbadjian and Armenia we wil help Azerbadjian, and russia cant do a ****. You people wil this time really slaughterd. To trust russia wil protect you is stupid. You idiots trusted in ottoman period and forget it. Turkey is not the old Turkey with economic and millitair power. Let russian come with navy and airforce. No problem....

 

[Azatavrear]

Turkey nor Russia cant intervene in Karabakh because it brought to much attention to the Western Countrys especialy USA.

Like Kajutyun said you are half right. Turkey as a NATO member cannot get directly involved in Azerbaijan attacking Karabakh and if they do its a very big gamble with not much to gain but alot to loose. Armenia and Azerbaijan is not a priority for Turkey.
Now on the other hand Russia is only obligated to get involved in the defense of Armenia proper per agreement however the President of Armenia has hinted that if Artsakh is attacked by Azerbaijan then he will recognize NKR as part of Armenia and then he can work politically to get Russians involved per CSTO defense pack.

All Turkey can do is to send missionaries which proved fatal for the Turks and Wahhabis last time around.

Future of Karabagh is up to Armenian Army and Azerbaijan's Army .

Agreed....for Armenians to secure their lands and for Azeris to try to take back what Stalin gave them.

in a sign of any unstable situation in Caucasus I am expecting a war between Armenia-Azerbaijan.

Armenia would never attack unless under attack.....Sultan Aliyev has way too much to loose in such an adventure, including all power. Armenia holds the high ground and well fotified. Azerbaijan will need 5 times the forces to take Artsakh.

In regards to Armenian economy.....just like how Iran has persevered under sanction, Armenia has also learned to hold their own while blockaded from two sides and landlocked. Armenia's economy is growing and opening of Turkish borders would only be good in short time this is why many are against opening the borders and allowing Turkish businesses in Yerevan.

 

[Kajutyun]

And we back for square one!

I'am tired to discuss with you on this matter.I tell you what ; something happens by that i mean local war between Armenia-Azerbaijan in the Caucasus in the near future regarding to this issue then we will see who is right , and who is wrong. But Current Russian Goverment is using Armenia as a pawn.And the right time cames they will sell you to the highest bidder!

End Note:you didnt answer my economi related questions ? I really wanna know your Country's current finance situation.If you give me a honest answer I'd appreciate it

This link is representative of Armenian economic growth: Armenian economy expands by 6.2% | Vestnik Kavkaza

 

[vK_man]

You are mistaken Possible Armenia Azerbaijan conflict we dont need to interfiere.As long as Russia stay Neutral I dont think Turkey will "actually" fight Armenia.I dont know about Special Ops though.We have a long way ahead of us but there is one simple truth.You Armenians are trap in the Caucasus even with Russians help.Let me ask you something
What is your state budget?
How many people living in Armenia age between 12-30?
What is your defence budget?

the only thing Armenia can is make things up with Azerbaijan.Because without that we will consider Armenia as a hostile State.And Armenia need Turkey.Needs it bad.If you dont make amend things you always sleep in the night with one open eye.For possible attack fear.It eve n happens in Israel.They have superior power but still they know they are surrounded by gazillions of muslims.And that is effect their mental state.Armenia is like a Open Prison or Ship is never going to moor anywhere.

Armenia is a CSTO member.The policy of CSTO is aggression on one is aggression on all.You wouldn't like a NATO -CSTO war.

 

[vK_man]

finally! that's what I'm saying to you Turkey nor Russia cant intervene in Karabakh because it brought to much attention to the Western Countrys especialy USA.Future of Karabagh is up to Armenian Army and Azerbaijan's Army . in a sign of any unstable situation in Caucasus I am expecting a war between Armenia-Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan has strategic russian radar installations and Armenia has russian military base.Not a chance of armenia-azeri war.

 

[vK_man]

Oh don't be like this, is it so weird that we have assumed plane was shot down by Syria even though there was no evidence to it? Because Asad himself said they shot down the phucking plane?



Trust me, we can do without Russia's neutral gas. We have an ambudant source of coal reserves, We produce most of our electricity from hydro-electric power plants. We have everything we need.

As i said, We are going to have to fight with Russia eventually. There's a great clash of infulential spheres, Georgia, Armenia, Syria and so... everything in Turkey was designed to welcome a USSR assault during cold war, things can turn back to their old state rapidly. With reserve forces activated we are estimated to reach 2.5 million troops in a matter of hours. Either we find a way or we make one.

You Armenians should be worrying about yourselves.

substitution of logistics is highly difficult .It takes years to construct base load coal plants.Also the logistics for any war would be destroyed in minutes as refineries,ports ,strategic reserves would be target of cruise missiles and Oka/Iskanders.You could give russia a attrition war like how russians gave the nazis .But invading russia ,thats the joke of the century.

 

[Kajutyun]

Azerbaijan has strategic russian radar installations and Armenia has russian military base.Not a chance of armenia-azeri war.

If you had been paying attention to the news in the past six months, you would know that Gabala radar is on the verge of being shut down.

Armenia is a CSTO member.The policy of CSTO is aggression on one is aggression on all.You wouldn't like a NATO -CSTO war.

NATO has nothing to do with anything. It would only participate, in theory, if Turkey is the one being attacked. Considering both the fact that this would not happen AND that NATO will LOOK for excuses not to engage Russia, I believe that it is more than reasonable to disregard this possibility.

At the same time, vK_man, I have been wondering something. Many CSTO nations are Turkic, so would they uphold CSTO obligations in case of aggression against Armenia? What do you think?

 

[vK_man]

If you had been paying attention to the news in the past six months, you would know that Gabala radar is on the verge of being shut down.

I think that it is political noise. It won't happen.Azerbaijan has too much to lose as it will become a russian target then in the future.

 

[vK_man]

If you had been paying attention to the news in the past six months, you would know that Gabala radar is on the verge of being shut down.



NATO has nothing to do with anything. It would only participate, in theory, if Turkey is the one being attacked. Considering both the fact that this would not happen AND that NATO will LOOK for excuses not to engage Russia, I believe that it is more than reasonable to disregard this possibility.

At the same time, vK_man, I have been wondering something. Many CSTO nations are Turkic, so would they uphold CSTO obligations in case of aggression against Armenia? What do you think?

They are turkic in origin,but their allegiance of many is to socialist or sufi or monetary ideas and not race based.Also,NATO runs covert afghan drug trade in their nation which is destabilizing(just like how NATO works with Albanian mafia). They will stick to Russia

 

[Kajutyun]

I think that it is political noise. It won't happen.Azerbaijan has too much to lose as it will become a russian target then in the future.

Political noise??? Azerbaijan raised the rent from 7 mil/year to 300 mil/year. Looks to me like the want Russia out of Gabala!

http://rt.com/politics/gabala-radar-russia-baku-nato-095/