Turkish Air Force unmatched new War Concept in 2025

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BVR COMBAT


in BVR combat , stealth KIZILELMA will advantage against Rafale , SU-35 , F-15 , F-16. Fighter Jets because of 4th gen Fighter Jets with bigger RCS ( 1m2 to 5m2 even 15m2 )

and KIZILELMA will carry air to air missiles in the internal weapon stations for stealth flight capability in BVR combat

if KIZILELMA with RCS of 0.001 m2

F-16V with AN-APG-80 AESA Radar can detect KIZILELMA from 20-25 km away
RAFALE with RBE2 AESA Radar can detect KIZILELMA from 20-25 km away

if KIZILELMA with RCS of 0.1 m2

F-16V with AN-APG-80 AESA Radar can detect KIZILELMA from 60-65 km away
RAFALE with RBE2 AESA Radar can detect KIZILELMA from 60-70 km away



on the other hand KIZILELMA with MURAD AESA Radar can detect F-16V and RAFALE from 110+ km away

if to use network centric Warfare with Boeing E-7T AEWC to detect F-16V and RAFALE from 300+ km away

and 150-200 km ramjet powered GOKHAN long range air to air missile will have cooperative engagement capability with two-way data link


So KIZILELMA can use other Radars to detect F-16V and RAFALE from 300+ km away and to guide ramjet powered GOKHAN long range air to air missile on F-16V or RAFALE from 150 km away and game over in BVR combat

 

[doorstar]

@Deino is the voice of logic, [....]

he is an egomaniacal weirdo like modi, trump, handsome and the eagle, one has to sing their praises 24/7 or else they'll make life unbearable (for the non-worshiper).

 

[qwerrty]

BVR COMBAT


in BVR combat , stealth KIZILELMA will advantage against Rafale , SU-35 , F-15 , F-16. Fighter Jets because of 4th gen Fighter Jets with bigger RCS ( 1m2 to 5m2 even 15m2 )

and KIZILELMA will carry air to air missiles in the internal weapon stations for stealth flight capability in BVR combat


if KIZILELMA with RCS of 0.001 m2

F-16V with AN-APG-80 AESA Radar can detect KIZILELMA from 20-25 km away
RAFALE with RBE2 AESA Radar can detect KIZILELMA from 20-25 km away

if KIZILELMA with RCS of 0.1 m2

F-16V with AN-APG-80 AESA Radar can detect KIZILELMA from 60-65 km away
RAFALE with RBE2 AESA Radar can detect KIZILELMA from 60-70 km away



on the other hand KIZILELMA with MURAD AESA Radar can detect F-16V and RAFALE from 110+ km away

if to use network centric Warfare with Boeing E-7T AEWC to detect F-16V and RAFALE from 300+ km away

and 150-200 km ramjet powered GOKHAN long range air to air missile will have cooperative engagement capability with two-way data link


So KIZILELMA can use other Radars to detect F-16V and RAFALE from 300+ km away and to guide ramjet powered GOKHAN long range air to air missile on F-16V or RAFALE from 150 km away and game over in BVR combat

it's just a mockup. calm down

 

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it's just a mockup. calm down

Stupid troll team

İts real prototype which will make maiden flight in the first quarter of 2023

 

[qwerrty]

Stupid troll team

İts real prototype which will make maiden flight in the first quarter of 2023

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maybe it'll fly in 2023, but that's not real prototype. that's a mock-up. you can tell from the fake landing gear.

 

[qwerrty]

stupid shit

 

[Hold the door]

maybe it'll fly in 2023, but that's not real prototype. that's a mock-up. you can tell from the fake landing gear.

Genius, Could the landing gear be unmounted?

 

[retaxis]

Everyone meanwhile knows that its actually a 4th gen fighter with black paint. can't compare with Rafale or Eurofighter who are 4.5. This is what dictators do when the economy is crumbling, they make ridiculous claims to rope in dumb believers.

 

[rodeo]

@MMM-E Why are you choosing such provocative titles for your threads? I'm a Turk but it's off-putting even for me. Just share the specs of the platforms without making outrageous claims and you might reach more ears. Allow people to interpret the platforms themselves and offer your opinion. Shit-talking about others is not cool. I'm sure we have a lot to learn from you, just don't turn your posts into a pissing-contest. I'm telling you as a fellow-countryman, that attitude doesn't help your cause.

 

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Everyone meanwhile knows that its actually a 4th gen fighter with black paint. can't compare with Rafale or Eurofighter who are 4.5. This is what dictators do when the economy is crumbling, they make ridiculous claims to rope in dumb believers.

You dont know even what about 4th and 4,5 gen Fighter .. just trolling ... nothing else


KIZILELMA has even same advanced characteristics as 5th-generation Fighters

-- GaN based AESA Radar , EOTS , sensor fusion
-- Stealth design and flight capability
-- Internal weapon stations
-- Smart fleet autonomy equipped with artificial intelligence

and Block-II variant , supersonic speed of mach 1,4 with AI-322F turbofan Engine

KIZILELMA is more stealthier than both Rafale and Eurofighter also SU-35, F-15 , F-16

when GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air missile is integrated, KIZILELMA has the potential to shoot down a 4,5th generation fighter jet

first-look, first-shot, first-kill capability.

That means KIZILELMA can see an enemy plane first, fire a missile and destroy the target without the other pilot ever knowing about it

 

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KIZILELMA's advantages against Rafale , SU-35 , F-15 , F-16


-- GaN based AESA Radar , EOTS , sensor fusion
-- Stealth design for much lower RCS
-- Internal weapon stations for stealth flight capability
-- No risk to lose Pilot

and cost effectiveness ... 4 KIZILELMA in price of 1 Rafale or 4,5 gen Fighter

even Greece buys 24 F-35 Fighter Jets and Turkiye can produce 100 KIZILELMA in price of 24 F-35

F-35 can carry 2 BVR missiles in stealth mode ..
24 F-35 = 48 BVR Missiles which never can match with 100 KIZILELMA = 200 BVR Missiles

 

[aziqbal]

KIZILELMA's advantages against Rafale , SU-35 , F-15 , F-16


-- GaN based AESA Radar , EOTS , sensor fusion
-- Stealth design for much lower RCS
-- Internal weapon stations for stealth flight capability
-- No risk to lose Pilot

and cost effectiveness ... 4 KIZILELMA in price of 1 Rafale or 4,5 gen Fighter

even Greece buys 24 F-35 Fighter Jets and Turkiye can produce 100 KIZILELMA in price of 24 F-35

F-35 can carry 2 BVR missiles in stealth mode ..
24 F-35 = 48 BVR Missiles which never can match with 100 KIZILELMA = 200 BVR Missiles

total fanboy post, why do you need to spoil it do you even know what is the longest air to air kill distance

Ok so US which has the most expensive military project ever in history costing over $1.7 trillion to buy, operate and sustain the aircrafts never thought of a UCAV ?

and a prototype which has a program cost of few 100 million has now trumped the likes of the F35 and seems like best of the Worlds fighters ?

oh wait no one else thought of this only Turkey? oh wait maybe they forgot ?

by your theory no Air Force in the World should exist with fighter aircraft right ? everyone make UCAV because a fanboy just lost it?

 

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total fanboy post, why do you need to spoil it do you even know what is the longest air to air kill distance

Ok so US which has the most expensive military project ever in history costing over $1.7 trillion to buy, operate and sustain the aircrafts never thought of a UCAV ?

and a prototype which has a program cost of few 100 million has now trumped the likes of the F35 and seems like best of the Worlds fighters ?

oh wait no one else thought of this only Turkey? oh wait maybe they forgot ?

by your theory no Air Force in the World should exist with fighter aircraft right ? everyone make UCAV because a fanboy just lost it?

Learn about military first ... before calling me a fanboy


5 years ago , Nobody expected a new military doctrine from TB-2 UCAV

RESULT : Turkiye has put forward a new military doctrine in the world to use TB-2 UCAVs to destroy thousands of military targets , including Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , S300-BUK-TOR-PANTSIR Air Defense Systems




1 -- its not UCAV , KIZILELMA is unmanned stealth Fighter Jet

Lenght
KIZILELMA : 14.70 m
F-16 : 15.06 m

KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
-- GaN based AESA Radar , EOTS , sensor fusion
-- Stealth design for much lower RCS
-- Internal weapon stations for stealth flight capability
-- supersonic speed of mach 1.4-1.6 with 1 x AI-322F turbofan Engine
( also there will be twin engined variant ... with 2 x AI-322F turbofan Engines )

-- No risk to lose Pilot
-- cost effectiveness ... 4 KIZILELMA in price of 1 Rafale

-- to carry 100+ km GOKDOGAN and 150-200 km GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air missiles in the Internal weapon stations for stealth flight capability

-- network centric warfare capability
with Boeing E-7T AEWC to detect F-16V and RAFALE from 300+ km away

About F-35

Dont change my words

KIZILELMA will rise step by step and year by year
when the latest technology AESA Radar and sensors , long range air to air missile are integreted , that will be unmanned stealth Fighter Jet , but not a UCAV



And I am talking about cost effectiveness ... 4 KIZILELMA in price of 1 F-35

Greece buys 24 F-35 Fighter Jets between 2027 and 2030
and Turkiye can produce 100 KIZILELMA in price of 24 F-35

F-35 can carry 2 BVR missiles in stealth mode ..
24 F-35 = 48 BVR Missiles which never can match with 100 KIZILELMA = 200 BVR Missiles


İf Greece send 24 F-35 = 48 BVR Missiles , then Turkiye can send 100 KIZILELMA = 200 BVR Missiles

even if we lost 48 KIZILELMA , All Greek F-35s will be unarmed and still 52 KIZILELMA with 104 air to air missiles will be in the air to hunt 24 unarmed F-35s

even in the worst case scenario , KIZILELMA will win the conflict , because of quantity

what do you not understand about this?

Its BAYKAR's strategy about KIZILELMA ....
1 F-35 vs 4 KIZILELMA
24 F-35 vs 100 KIZILELMA

 

[Hold the door]

"It is not possible for us to win finished or ongoing races(like f-35). However, the studies we will carry out in the fields that have just started or are expected to start will bring Turkey to the fore." Selcuk Bayraktar (CTO of Baykar)

 

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SELCUK BAYRAKTAR ( Chairman of BAYKARTech )

" When the latest generation sensors and weapons are integrated, KIZILELMA has the potential to shoot down a 4th generation fighter jet, maybe a 5th generation fighter jet with new technologies in the future "