Turkish Air Defence Programs

[T-123456]

Keeping politics aside. In reality Turkish Aerospace Engineers and Turkish Army already know, they wasted $2.5 billion for nothing. Russia promised ToT, that's over now. Everything is salesman tricks.

I would count on Turkish Aerospace engineers who already figured out they bought duds. This is why Turkish newspapers repeatedly disclosed many weaknesses of the Systems.

Don't you understand Turkish and Israeli fighter jets flew over airspace protected by S-300 and S-400. What happened, nothing!

Deconstructing Russian-made FCR and Search Radar of S-500, S-400 and S-300 SAM: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/05/01/radar/

But you know it was a political decission,a consequence of US support for the PKK/YPG in Syria and working against other Turkish interests in the region?
It was a reaction to an action.

 

[CAN_TR]

The Turkish Air Force conducted the first test on the S-400 let's see what the result are.

$2.5 billion was a lot of money but that's peanuts compared to what the US wanted for Patriots, who knows maybe we will break it apart, copy technology and use it own future systems.

 

[Bismarck]

Keeping politics aside. In reality Turkish Aerospace Engineers and Turkish Army already know, they wasted $2.5 billion for nothing. Russia promised ToT, that's over now. Everything is salesman tricks.

I would count on Turkish Aerospace engineers who already figured out they bought duds. This is why Turkish newspapers repeatedly disclosed many weaknesses of the Systems.

Don't you understand Turkish and Israeli fighter jets flew over airspace protected by S-300 and S-400. What happened, nothing!

Deconstructing Russian-made FCR and Search Radar of S-500, S-400 and S-300 SAM: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/05/01/radar/

First, contracts like this are not made by hand-shakes, everything must be written on paper. Every detail must be written on paper. Even an “irrelevance“ like a transfer of technology. I guess, you have never seen the contract and can’t say anything about a possible ToT.

So, they are two options. Russia has never promised ToT and nothing is written in a contract. Second they have promised ToT by a contract but do not keep hold this part of the contract. Which is a breach of contract, and Turkey can not be forced to hold his part (paying the system) of the contract. As far as I know, the S-400 are bought with credit from Russia. I really doubt that Turkey paid the full money without to have all parts of the system, Radar, missiles, launcher etc. Including ToT, as far as its part of the contract.

About your second claim, quality of system. Who said S-400 were active during Israel operations? We know, Russia don’t trust Iran (and vice versa) and don’t want an expansion of Iranian influence in Syria. Maybe the allowed Israel the bombing of Iranian proxy’s.

If S-400 is not that good, why US is so much afraid that Turkey, India or any other nation could purchase this system? If S-400 is not able to detect the F-35, why they stop cooperation with Turkey about F-35 issue?

 

[MMM-E]

also S400 deal was a reaction to the US backed failed coup attempt by FETO against ERDOGAN in 2016

The US should stop supporting PKK/YPG and FETO terror organizations to destroy Turkey and future of Turkish People

even Canada has started arms embargo on NATO member Turkey , because of Turkish military operation against PKK/YPG terror organization in Syria

The US , Canada and The EU recognized PKK as terrorist organization who killed tens of thousands of innocent people to destroy Turkey's terrritorial integrity since 1985


what a dirty game . NATO Countries support PKK/YPG terror organization to destroy NATO country Turkey's terrritorial integrity

 

[Nein]

also S400 deal was a reaction to the US backed failed coup attempt by FETO against ERDOGAN in 2016

The US should stop supporting PKK/YPG and FETO terror organizations to destroy Turkey and future of Turkish People

even Canada has started arms embargo on NATO member Turkey , because of Turkish military operation against PKK/YPG terror organization in Syria

The US , Canada and The EU recognized PKK as terrorist organization who killed tens of thousands of innocent people to destroy Turkey's terrritorial integrity since 1985


what a dirty game . NATO Countries support PKK/YPG terror organization to destroy NATO coutry Turkey's terrritorial integrity

Honestly its due to Turkey's lobbying or influence in Nato as I should say that the pkk got recognised as a terrorist group. For decades the pkk terrorised Turkey and none of Turkey's so called allies recognised it until Turkey told them to recognise it. Tansu Ciller did a successful foreign policy move just right there.

Even today they are in bed with the pkk and supporting kurdish separatists.

Look back at history the kurds have always been pawns and puppets to anybody who passed in the region. And Turks say over our dead body that they will make a separate country on our land.

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Keeping politics aside. In reality Turkish Aerospace Engineers and Turkish Army already know, they wasted $2.5 billion for nothing. Russia promised ToT, that's over now. Everything is salesman tricks.

I would count on Turkish Aerospace engineers who already figured out they bought duds. This is why Turkish newspapers repeatedly disclosed many weaknesses of the Systems.

Don't you understand Turkish and Israeli fighter jets flew over airspace protected by S-300 and S-400. What happened, nothing!

Deconstructing Russian-made FCR and Search Radar of S-500, S-400 and S-300 SAM: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/05/01/radar/

From the very beginning it was said that the tot will be limited, you deceive yourself with your own ideas. $ 2.5 billion is very cheap, even for just one system.

 

[Constantin84]

From the very beginning it was said that the tot will be limited, you deceive yourself with your own ideas. $ 2.5 billion is very cheap, even for just one system.

It's not exactly cheap....Romania bought 7 Patriot batteries for 3.9 billion. Now a Patriot launcher has 8 ready to fire missiles as opposed to 4 for the the S400....now, for the math....A Romanian PAC3 battery has 4 launchersx8 missiles =32 ready to fire missiles for 570 million $.....A Turkish S400 battery has 9 launchersX4 missiles =36 ready to fire missiles for 625 million $

So,almost the same, price wise.

 

[MMM-E]

32 S400 Fire Units with 192 missiles = $2,5 billion


in 2009 The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale
13 PATRIOT Fire Units with 72 PAC-3 and 197 MIM-104E missiles , without TOT = $7,8 billion
( btw president OBAMA and Senate did not sale PATRIOT air defense system to Turkey )


Turkey would buy 96 S400 Fire Units with 576 missiles + maybe some TOT for $7,8 billion

and American MIM-104E with range of 160km
Russian S400 with range of 380km

and The US says Turkey can not use PATRIOT in the Eastern Mediterranean and Agean
Russia says Turkey can use S400 everywhere


so The US stop supporting PKK/YPG and FETO terror oorganizations against Turkey
and give Turkey PATRIOT with TOT , F35A/B Fighter Jets

then Turkey will not activate S400s

 

[UkroTurk]

It's not exactly cheap....Romania bought 7 Patriot batteries for 3.9 billion. Now a Patriot launcher has 8 ready to fire missiles as opposed to 4 for the the S400....now, for the math....A Romanian PAC3 battery has 4 launchersx8 missiles =32 ready to fire missiles for 570 million $.....A Turkish S400 battery has 9 launchersX4 missiles =36 ready to fire missiles for 625 million $

So,almost the same, price wise.

We can shoot down Some satellites,B2,B1 Lancer and F35s Can you do this with pac3?

 

[Constantin84]

We can shot down Some satellites,B2,B1 Lancer and F35s

Good luck with that

I was just pointing out that Patriot isn't more expensive than the S400 when you take into account all factors.

 

[Ansu fati]

Keeping politics aside. In reality Turkish Aerospace Engineers and Turkish Army already know, they wasted $2.5 billion for nothing. Russia promised ToT, that's over now. Everything is salesman tricks.

I would count on Turkish Aerospace engineers who already figured out they bought duds. This is why Turkish newspapers repeatedly disclosed many weaknesses of the Systems.

Don't you understand Turkish and Israeli fighter jets flew over airspace protected by S-300 and S-400. What happened, nothing!

Deconstructing Russian-made FCR and Search Radar of S-500, S-400 and S-300 SAM: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/05/01/radar/

Turkey only paid 1B so far and got 2 systems if they wish to activate the clause then they will pay the full sum of 2.5B and get plus 2 systems real ToT was never part of the deal

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

When will Turkey's indigenous LRSAM be ready?

 

[Ansu fati]

@polanski if you want to give full ToT for patriots then Turkey would be happy to sign the deal it’s up to you

 

[Constantin84]

@polanski if you want to give full ToT for patriots then Turkey would be happy to sign the deal it’s up to you

He's French.

Edit.....He's not, apologies.

 

[UkroTurk]

Good luck with that

I was just pointing out that Patriot isn't more expensive than the S400 when you take into account all factors.

İt was a just joke. We werent given those missiles which "can" hit satellites. Also i doubt that we find oppurtunity shoot B2 and F35s. All specifications are just so called by russians.