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Turkey’s S-400 vs F-35 dilemma in 2019

F-35 vs S-400; If Turkey had to choose one, which one should it choose?

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Turkey vows retaliation against possible US sanctions over S-400 deal

Turkey will "take reciprocal steps" if the United States imposes sanctions over its purchase of the Russian S-400 air defense missile systems, Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said on Friday, marking the latest step toward a standoff between the NATO allies.

"If the United States takes any negative actions toward us, we will also take reciprocal steps," Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu told Anadolu Agency's Editors' Desk in the capital Ankara when asked about possible U.S. sanctions. "Turkey will never retreat on its deal to buy Russian S-400 missile defense systems."

"We will not take a step back," he added. "We will continue our dedication in order to be an independent and free nation."

On why Turkey decided to purchase a defense system from Russia, Çavuşoğlu said Ankara tried to buy U.S. Patriots, but couldn't reach a deal. "Then we looked for alternate [defense systems] and we got the best offer and best technology from Russia," he said.

Turkish officials have stressed that Russia offered technology transfers with the S-400 deal.

"Even if we reached an agreement [with the U.S.] on the price and delivery process, can you [U.S.] guarantee it would be passed by Congress? No, you can't," Çavuşoğlu added.

Stating that NATO can only protect 30% of Turkey's airspace, Çavuşoğlu said, "This is surely a national cause."

His remarks came after President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Wednesday that Turkey has already bought the Russian S-400 system and is set to take delivery next month.

Erdoğan said he will meet U.S. President Donald Trump on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Osaka, Japan, scheduled for June 28-29, where the two leaders are expected to have a mutual discussion on the issues.

Tensions between the U.S. and Turkey have risen in recent months over Ankara purchasing the system, which Washington said will jeopardize Turkey's role in the U.S. F-35 fighter jet program and could trigger congressional sanctions.

The Pentagon told Turkey last week that it was cutting off Ankara's purchase of F-35 fighter jets if the Turkish government went ahead with plans to buy a Russian missile defense system.

In a letter to Defense Minister Hulusi Akar last week, U.S. Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan said the training of Turkish pilots will end July 31 and Turkey will not be allowed to take final possession of the four F-35 aircraft it bought. Shanahan also warned that Ankara's purchase of the Russian system could hamper America's future relationship with Turkey, which has been a critical U.S. partner and base for combat operations, including for the war in Syria.

"We've suspended some of the activities in terms of training. We haven't suspended any of the maintenance activity," Shanahan said.

But the Pentagon said Tuesday that the U.S. Air Force has halted ongoing training of Turkish pilots on the F-35 before the end date for "safety" concerns.

Turkish government officials also reiterated on Thursday that the country is not backing down from its decision and that the deal with Moscow was irreversible, rejecting the ultimatum on the issue by Washington.

In a phone call on Thursday, Akar told Shanahan that the letter's language and approach does not suit the spirit of the alliance. The two ministers agreed to meet at the NATO Defense Ministers Meeting in Brussels that is to be held on June 26-27.

Ankara has also said it will respond to Shanahan's letter in the coming days.

Following protracted efforts to purchase an air defense system from the U.S. with no success, Ankara decided in 2017 to purchase the Russian S-400 system.

After the purchase, U.S. officials advised Turkey to buy the U.S. Patriot missile system rather than the S-400s, arguing the Russian system would be incompatible with NATO systems and expose the F-35 to possible Russian subterfuge.

But Turkey has emphasized that the S-400s would not be integrated into NATO operability and would not pose a threat to the alliance. It has also repeatedly said it was ready to discuss Washington's concerns. It proposed forming a joint working group with Washington to assess whether the S-400s would pose a threat to NATO; however, the U.S. has not taken any steps to form the technical team.

Çavuşoğlu said Thursday that even though President Trump himself was open to the idea, it had been rejected by other U.S. institutions

https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/...against-possible-us-sanctions-over-s-400-deal

Someone should tell this Bosnian boy NOT to use such words as “Turkey can buy shit from whoever it wants”:lol:
Quite disrespectful if you ask me

ad hominem attacks are halmarks of juvenile and inferior minds. And you are calling me a boy. funny. Make America Great Again
 
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Use your brains. Buy whatever you want from NATO countries. Not incompattible Russian crap.

As Greece did? The question is, where is the statuets, which said, its not allow to buy from Russia.
 
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As Greece did? The question is, where is the statuets, which said, its not allow to buy from Russia.
Greece didn’t. Cypres did and cypres is NOT in NATO. To appease Turkish concerns NATO stepped in and urged Greece to take over S300 and lock them away in the storage.
 
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@WarDaddy97

Turkey will or can not step back on S-400 issue. Or in your words, they cross 'point of no return'.



Not a Nato member.

But are under US defence umbrela. No less dependent if not more on US. It was tricky subject then, US wasnt happy, but Koreans didnt budge.
 
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But these discussions show us one more thing. USA is so much afraid of S-400 system which weaken our alliance NATO. So much positive propaganda for S-400.
 
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But are under US defence umbrela. No less dependent if not more on US. It was tricky subject then, US wasnt happy, but Koreans didnt budge.

That's a different thing. S-400 is not NATO interoperable.
 
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Turkey vows retaliation against possible US sanctions over S-400 deal

Turkey will "take reciprocal steps" if the United States imposes sanctions over its purchase of the Russian S-400 air defense missile systems, Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said on Friday, marking the latest step toward a standoff between the NATO allies.

"If the United States takes any negative actions toward us, we will also take reciprocal steps," Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu told Anadolu Agency's Editors' Desk in the capital Ankara when asked about possible U.S. sanctions. "Turkey will never retreat on its deal to buy Russian S-400 missile defense systems."

"We will not take a step back," he added. "We will continue our dedication in order to be an independent and free nation."

On why Turkey decided to purchase a defense system from Russia, Çavuşoğlu said Ankara tried to buy U.S. Patriots, but couldn't reach a deal. "Then we looked for alternate [defense systems] and we got the best offer and best technology from Russia," he said.

Turkish officials have stressed that Russia offered technology transfers with the S-400 deal.

"Even if we reached an agreement [with the U.S.] on the price and delivery process, can you [U.S.] guarantee it would be passed by Congress? No, you can't," Çavuşoğlu added.

Stating that NATO can only protect 30% of Turkey's airspace, Çavuşoğlu said, "This is surely a national cause."

His remarks came after President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Wednesday that Turkey has already bought the Russian S-400 system and is set to take delivery next month.

Erdoğan said he will meet U.S. President Donald Trump on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Osaka, Japan, scheduled for June 28-29, where the two leaders are expected to have a mutual discussion on the issues.

Tensions between the U.S. and Turkey have risen in recent months over Ankara purchasing the system, which Washington said will jeopardize Turkey's role in the U.S. F-35 fighter jet program and could trigger congressional sanctions.

The Pentagon told Turkey last week that it was cutting off Ankara's purchase of F-35 fighter jets if the Turkish government went ahead with plans to buy a Russian missile defense system.

In a letter to Defense Minister Hulusi Akar last week, U.S. Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan said the training of Turkish pilots will end July 31 and Turkey will not be allowed to take final possession of the four F-35 aircraft it bought. Shanahan also warned that Ankara's purchase of the Russian system could hamper America's future relationship with Turkey, which has been a critical U.S. partner and base for combat operations, including for the war in Syria.

"We've suspended some of the activities in terms of training. We haven't suspended any of the maintenance activity," Shanahan said.

But the Pentagon said Tuesday that the U.S. Air Force has halted ongoing training of Turkish pilots on the F-35 before the end date for "safety" concerns.

Turkish government officials also reiterated on Thursday that the country is not backing down from its decision and that the deal with Moscow was irreversible, rejecting the ultimatum on the issue by Washington.

In a phone call on Thursday, Akar told Shanahan that the letter's language and approach does not suit the spirit of the alliance. The two ministers agreed to meet at the NATO Defense Ministers Meeting in Brussels that is to be held on June 26-27.

Ankara has also said it will respond to Shanahan's letter in the coming days.

Following protracted efforts to purchase an air defense system from the U.S. with no success, Ankara decided in 2017 to purchase the Russian S-400 system.

After the purchase, U.S. officials advised Turkey to buy the U.S. Patriot missile system rather than the S-400s, arguing the Russian system would be incompatible with NATO systems and expose the F-35 to possible Russian subterfuge.

But Turkey has emphasized that the S-400s would not be integrated into NATO operability and would not pose a threat to the alliance. It has also repeatedly said it was ready to discuss Washington's concerns. It proposed forming a joint working group with Washington to assess whether the S-400s would pose a threat to NATO; however, the U.S. has not taken any steps to form the technical team.

Çavuşoğlu said Thursday that even though President Trump himself was open to the idea, it had been rejected by other U.S. institutions

https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/...against-possible-us-sanctions-over-s-400-deal



ad hominem attacks are halmarks of juvenile and inferior minds. And you are calling me a boy. funny. Make America Great Again
You are insulting Turkey by saying “Turkey can buy shit”
What kind of Bosnian are you?
And then you blame me for ad hominem attacks?:lol:
As hominem attacks is against a person. I didn’t insult you but pointed out that you are insulting entire country by using improper vocabulary. Get a dictionary or something

But these discussions show us one more thing. USA is so much afraid of S-400 system which weaken our alliance NATO. So much positive propaganda for S-400.
It shows that if you buy S400 USA will put you on sanction list. Like we threatened India and they’ll delegation to Washington.
It’s an economic warfare against Russia
 
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But are under US defence umbrela. No less dependent if not more on US. It was tricky subject then, US wasnt happy, but Koreans didnt budge.

But some ex-Warsaw Pact members use Russian systems.
 
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Nobody has a monopoly on the weapons trade why is Murica sanctioning countries just because they dont buy American?
 
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Nobody has a monopoly on the weapons trade why is Murica sanctioning countries just because they dont buy American?

Cause military-industrial complex holds their goverment and the country by the balls. Exactly how president Eisenhower predicted.
 
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