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Turkey’s Generation Z Turns Against Erdogan

Normaly I ignore such articles, because normaly such articles from biased sources are built up like "I went to place xy and people told me this and that." or "On social media I read this and that."
This is not credible evidence, it's useless.

But these articles about Turkish youth are based on different Turkish opinion polls, so it's credible scientific evidence.

Here another few articles that confirm the article from the first post:




 
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Turkey’s Generation Z Turns Against Erdogan

The Turkish leader tried to mold a generation of pious followers. Instead, the country’s youth could bring about his final defeat.

BY GONUL TOL, AYCA ALEMDAROGLU | JULY 15, 2020, 6:23 AM


Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s online address to students on June 26 was the latest sign that his efforts to shape Turkey’s young generation in his image have failed. Thousands of students joining the YouTube livestream disliked the video and used the comments section to criticize Erdogan and tell him that he wouldn’t get their vote. They were justifiably frustrated that the government had shifted the date of this year’s university entrance exam back and forth several times over the past few months, a result of poor pandemic-related planning. But in the days that followed, the students’ frustration turned into general anger at Erdogan. The video has received 422,000 dislikes and the hashtag #OyMoyYok—no votes for you—became a trending topic on Turkish Twitter. Not only did Erdogan’s office disable the video’s comments, but shortly afterward, Erdogan announced plans for new regulations to control social-media platforms or shut them down entirely.

The students were frustrated at the government’s handling of this year’s university entrance exam—but in the days that followed, their frustration turned into general anger at Erdogan.

A whole generation of Turkish youth has now grown up under Erdogan—first as prime minister, then as president. With half of the country’s population below the age of 32, what young people think has significant political ramifications. No one seems to know this better than Erdogan: Beginning in 2012, he embarked on a project to raise “pious generations.” His main tool to accomplish this has been the country’s education system, including by pouring billions of dollars into religious education. He dramatically increased the number of imam hatip secondary schools, which were originally founded by the state as vocational institutions to train young men to become imams and preachers, and extended this system to lower age groups. At regular public schools, he increased the number of hours dedicated to religious education and banned the teaching of evolution from the curriculum.


But religious schools are underperforming and have little appeal among Turkish youth. A recent poll found that religiosity is much lower in the younger generation, with far fewer describing themselves as “religiously conservative” than society as a whole. Growing numbers of young people—even students at imam hatip schools—are rejecting Islam altogether. A 2018 workshop organized by the Ministry of National Education in the traditionally conservative Anatolian town of Konya found that students in imam hatip schools are questioning or abandoning Islam in growing numbers. Many now consider themselves deists—people who believe in a divine being but don’t adhere to the tenets of Islam. Pro-Erdogan media portray deism as just another Western conspiracy, but for young people, disillusionment with religion and the government goes hand in hand. Under Erdogan, his critics say, Islam has been stripped of its moral core and instrumentalized to cover up corruption and legitimize his one-man rule. This pushes young people to search for other sources of moral authority.

Young people’s rejection of Erdogan’s brand of Islamic conservatism also has to do with the poor quality of education as religion displaces standard subjects. Even conservative parents worry that the heavy dose of religious instruction in secondary schools prevents their children from learning enough math, science, and technology to successfully compete in university exams.

Young people’s rejection of Erdogan’s brand of Islamic conservatism also has to do with the poor quality of education as religion displaces standard subjects.

Growing concern about the quality of education is about more than religion, however. It also has to do with Erdogan’s increasing interference in the university system. Following the introduction of the presidential system in 2018, Erdogan now has the sole authority to appoint the heads of all public and private universities. Many of these have been political loyalists with poor academic qualifications.

The quality of education has become one of the top worries among young Turks, many of whom believe that they can only get a good education in a Western country. Even as the share of high school graduates going on to higher education has increased, young people doubt that their degree will land them a decent job. (Youth unemployment hit a record 27 percent last year.) Compounding their worries is the spread of nepotism under Erdogan. A large majority of Turks now believe that it isn’t what you know but who you know that will land you a job. Even those who support Erdogan complain about the lack of merit-based hiring in both the public and private sectors.

Feeding the youth revolt against Erdogan is the worry about increasing authoritarianism and the curtailment of freedoms. According to a 2018 poll, a large majority values freedom of expression, and young Turks are more tolerant toward different ethnic and religious groups and toward homosexuality than a similar age group polled 10 years previously. The number of respondents who said political parties can be banned if necessary has also declined significantly in the past few years. An overwhelming majority of the new generation that has grown up under Erdogan wants to move abroad in search of freedom and opportunity.

If Erdogan has largely failed to mold the new generation to support him, his efforts were not wasted entirely. Since 2015, he has built his electoral strategy on an anti-Kurdish platform, undoing his previous efforts at reconciliation with Turkey’s largest ethnic and linguistic minority. Erdogan has criminalized the Kurdish opposition, thrown the democratically elected members of the pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party in jail, and replaced the party’s mayors with Erdogan-appointed trustees. At the same time, he has promoted an increasingly anti-Western Turkish nationalism that seeks to expand Turkish power in the region. Nationalist and anti-Kurdish sentiment has found strong support among both secular and conservative youth, making them less tolerant toward the Kurds’ demands for equality. Kurdish youth holds similarly skeptical attitudes vis-à-vis ethnic Turks. Kurds say they avoid talking about politics with their Turkish friends, and the number of intermarriages has declined.

They have watched him morph from a dynamic leader to an exhausted autocrat struggling to govern.

Erdogan’s nationalism has also turned to “civilization” rhetoric, particularly since 2012. The country’s Muslim roots and imperial Ottoman past are often glorified. These efforts seem to have paid off: Many young people now identify themselves as part of the Middle East, unlike previous generations under more secular, Western-oriented governments. But their hopes and aspirations tell a different story. They want to get a secular education and live in a modern, free, and democratic country. They prefer living in Europe over the Middle East. More than 70 percent of young people said they would prefer to live in Switzerland than Saudi Arabia, even if it meant making do with a monthly salary of $5,000 instead of $10,000.

Turkey’s youths have known nothing but Erdogan’s leadership. They have watched him morph from a dynamic leader building a more democratic, prosperous, and Western-oriented Turkey to an exhausted autocrat struggling to govern. Changing the date of the university entrance exam, on which so much in a young person’s life depends, was just the latest indication that Erdogan was failing them. As they now say “no votes for you,” Erdogan has not only failed to raise a generation of supporters, but may have raised the generation that will finally defeat him.


The article seems to contradict in various instances. You can correct me though if I am wrong.

It is saying youths are anti Erdogan but also saying many youths supporting anti Kurdish and nationalist statement. In one instance it is saying it aspire to be a a European but also saying that youths consider it middle East.
 
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The article seems to contradict in various instances.

It is only contradictory if you have a "Black and White" worldview. You can oppose someone in general, but agree with him in one single topic.

It is saying youths are anti Erdogan but also saying many youths supporting anti Kurdish and nationalist statement.

As I said, it's not Black and White. The Turkish youth hate Erdogan, but agree with him in isolated cases.

In one instance it is saying it aspire to be a a European but also saying that youths consider it middle East.

The article doesn't say they want to be European, but they prefer to live in Europe, and the article also explains why:

"Many young people now identify themselves as part of the Middle East, unlike previous generations under more secular, Western-oriented governments. But their hopes and aspirations tell a different story. They want to get a secular education and live in a modern, free, and democratic country. They prefer living in Europe over the Middle East."
 
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This was bound to happen anyways Turks have had enough of Erdoganism and crappy foreign policy that will bite Turkey in the near future




Yeah and they will get beaten up by Turkish Nationalists

Erdogan is the only leader that truely follows an independent foreign policy, that serves interests of Turkey. Ofcourse the old masters will be unhappy.
 
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Honestly, at times while I was in Istanbul it felt like Amsterdam Red Light district meets Moscow brothels meets tacky semi naked Ukrainian females gala with German Octoberfest alcohol spilling everywhere. Ertugrul eat your heart out.

But I loved it ....

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It is only contradictory if you have a "Black and White" worldview. You can oppose someone in general, but agree with him in one single topic.



As I said, it's not Black and White. The Turkish youth hate Erdogan, but agree with him in isolated cases.



The article doesn't say they want to be European, but they prefer to live in Europe, and the article also explains why:

"Many young people now identify themselves as part of the Middle East, unlike previous generations under more secular, Western-oriented governments. But their hopes and aspirations tell a different story. They want to get a secular education and live in a modern, free, and democratic country. They prefer living in Europe over the Middle East."

Nationalism is not isolated per se cause it serves as the backbone of Turkey. Though I may agree with other points you make cause I think you know much better than me in this regard. But for a layman like me I found the discrepancies quite evident which may point out that the youths are clueless about their next step. Also regarding protest against the educational policy during this pandemic every country is undergoing that phase where youths are frustrated and authority is clueless on what step to take next ,it is happening in every country be it west , east , south east.
 
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I think you know much better than me in this regard.

No I don't. I'm not a Turk and I'm not a Turkey expert. But the articles give scientific evidence about Turkish population, and so I made my conclusion.

But for a layman like me I found the discrepancies quite evident

These are totally normal discrepancies that exist in every country in the world.

Also regarding protest against the educational policy during this pandemic every country is undergoing that phase where youths are frustrated and authority is clueless on what step to take next ,it is happening in every country be it west , east , south east.

The thing with the universaty exams is not the core reason for their discontent, it was just the final straw that broke the camels back.

So does Khomeinis supporters

Really? I can give you scientific evidence that proofs otherwise, can you do the same?
 
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Really? I can give you scientific evidence that proofs otherwise, can you do the same?
You can do a poll here. Overwhelming majority of Pakistanis support Islamic Iran and we have a petition in the Supreme Court demanding a system like Iran.
 
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have heard Turks say to me they should ship Erdogan to Pakistan and he can stay there and its true 45 percent of Turks like him while 94 percent love Erdogan but as a Pakistani he would not last a minute here once his true policies come into extent he would be labeled as a Liberal and yahhodi agent in no time all that 94 percent will disappear
Well said, Erdogan is too Islamic for the Turks and would be as you say Yahoodi Liberal Westoxified basket by Pakistani's once they saw his policies come into force.
 
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Hmm I would argue Turkey as being "westernized" but not western, however I do agree the Turkish Youth is more in line with their western neighbors than its southern neighbors mainly Arab states or Pakistan but The Turkish process of becoming more in line with Europe is ironically linked more with the Ottoman Empire,Ataturk simply accelerated further 10x times more but Turks have been doing this since like 1844 the recent Ottoman flag which dates to like 1844 is one example of Turkish symbolism becoming more in line with Euro standards the whole period was called the Tanzimiat reforms further towards the end the hero of so called Islamists and Neo Ottomanists Sultan Abdulhamd II wore western styled military uniforms and loved opera and ballet imao

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Erdogan is more of a "Islamic" populist than a real Islamists yes he tried doing that but that was to appeal to voters in the Central Anatolian plain and Kurds of the south east are more socially conservative than Istabnbulites or Thracian folks in the west


Great write up and analysis I think if you boil it down the Turkish society and nation are divided into three parts the Istanbulite/Thracian half which is more in line with the west and the Central Anatolian plain and plus the more Middle Eastern Southeast which borders Iran, Iraq and Syria generally populated by Kurds and Arabs, or Turks influenced in that region, Turkey up until fairly recently was a very rural peasant country with packets of urbanization mainly in the western cities of Istanbul,Izmir and Ankara to a extent, tho Ankara to much more extent is more Anatolian in nature, the Anatolians as Turkey industrialized during the 40s,50s,60s,70s and 80s migrated to the cities the cities folks looked down upon the more "conservative" Anatolians Erdogan comes from the same background tho he isn't really Anatolian but Georgian from the Black Sea region nevertheless his family and himself were looked down upon by city slickers Erdogan represented those Anatolian,Middle Eastern section of society as they grew more influential was able to get to Mayorality of Istanbul then later Prime Minister then President but this is changing Turkey is becoming much more homogenous culturally the 2nd and 3rd gen of the Anatolians and etc are becoming more urbanized urban city slickers more in line with the average secular Turk.



Meh, Not really he is just a Russian toy at this point if you ask me the best Turkish Republic leader was the soft spoken and Leftist Prime Minister of Turkey Bulent Ecevit dude was the one who ordered the Cyprus operation in 1974 kicked the Americans out of Incirlik Air Base in 1975 and fast forwarded and made the Turkish Defense Industry self sufficient too bad he got couped over by the Yanks in 1980

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Alcohol Advertising was banned on Turkish TV and in some places there too under Erdogan but full ban will never happen Turks rely heavily on tourism dollars gotta have drunk Slavs from Moscow, Saraevjo Belgrade, Kiev or Minsk spend a crap ton of money there
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I have heard Turks say to me they should ship Erdogan to Pakistan and he can stay there and its true 45 percent of Turks like him while 94 percent love Erdogan but as a Pakistani he would not last a minute here once his true policies come into extent he would be labeled as a Liberal and yahhodi agent in no time all that 94 percent will disappear
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