Turkey will protect its aid ships for Gaza: PM

[blain2]

I can understand that you are ashamed of your ISI and its atrocities. Well, I would be too if I were you.

IDF is a military that never declared martial law, suppressed civil rights and sponsored barbaric terrorism against innocent people in Pakistan and abroad. So, if I were you I would not throw stones while I am sitting in a house made of glass!

I beg to differ. IDF has more than its share of innocent blood on its hands. Lets not even bother trying to defend the indefensible. As a Pakistani, I can agree that Pakistani security agencies are no angels, but at least we are not sitting over an entire other people subjugating them and holding them interned in a ghetto for the past many decades. Aside from the South African apartheid government, there is no other modern nation state that can claim this singular honour (or dishonour) that currently belongs to the state of Israel.

 

[nirreich]

I beg to differ. IDF has more than its share of innocent blood on its hands. Lets not even bother trying to defend the indefensible. As a Pakistani, I can agree that Pakistani security agencies are no angels, but at least we are not sitting over an entire other people subjugating them and holding them interned in a ghetto for the past many decades. Aside from the South African apartheid government, there is no other modern nation state that can claim this singular honour (or dishonour) that currently belongs to the state of Israel.

I beg to differ.

the Pakistan Army and the ISI not just responsible for murdering civilians in India and Afghanistan (by supporting barbaric terror organisations) but also responsible for the killing of Pakistani civilians - politicians, journalists, union leaders etc, anyone who posed a threat for them to continue enjoying their perks and their big chunk of the national resources.

The average Palesitinian in the West Bank under "Israeli Apartheid" (not to mention the average Palestinian who is an Israeli civilian) has far more better life than the average Pakistani. He has more money, more financial assets, more security and most importantly - more political rights than the Pakistani.

If the Pakistanis could live in the West Bank they would had much better life under Israel's control than in their own country.

 

[Bhairava]

Wassup with this Erdogan dude ? He is acting as if he is on steroids.

Wasnt he the one who said he will personally go on an aid ship and then backed out saying he was misquoted ?

I beg to differ. IDF has more than its share of innocent blood on its hands. Lets not even bother trying to defend the indefensible. As a Pakistani, I can agree that Pakistani security agencies are no angels, but at least we are not sitting over an entire other people subjugating them and holding them interned in a ghetto for the past many decades. Aside from the South African apartheid government, there is no other modern nation state that can claim this singular honour (or dishonour) that currently belongs to the state of Israel.

Pakistan (or any other nation) would be acting in the same way as Israel if the stated goal of the "people" is to push the other group into the Arabian sea or any nearby body of water

 

[silko]

Wasnt he the one who said he will personally go on an aid ship and then backed out saying he was misquoted ?

you talk about that idiotic journalist or whatever he is talking live with some israeli important guy?

i think he just wanted to stirr things up. even the israeli one didnt believe what he said.

 

[T-Rex]

I beg to differ.

the Pakistan Army and the ISI not just responsible for murdering civilians in India and Afghanistan (by supporting barbaric terror organisations) but also responsible for the killing of Pakistani civilians - politicians, journalists, union leaders etc, anyone who posed a threat for them to continue enjoying their perks and their big chunk of the national resources.

The average Palesitinian in the West Bank under "Israeli Apartheid" (not to mention the average Palestinian who is an Israeli civilian) has far more better life than the average Pakistani. He has more money, more financial assets, more security and most importantly - more political rights than the Pakistani.

If the Pakistanis could live in the West Bank they would had much better life under Israel's control than in their own country.

Shylock, must you repeat your nazi rants in every thread?

 

[nirreich]

Shylock, must you repeat your nazi rants in every thread?

I will repeat the truth although it is very unpleasant experience for an Anti-Semite like yourself to hear it again and again. Anti-Semite as yourself feel comfortable only when they are spreading lies and mendacity. The truth is like poison for you and your kind.

Unfortunately for you, I will continue to teach, free of charge, a degenerate as yourself an important lesson about the truth whenever you will spread your racism and hatred.

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

I can understand that you are ashamed of your ISI and its atrocities. Well, I would be too if I were you.

IDF is a military that never declared martial law, suppressed civil rights and sponsored barbaric terrorism against innocent people in Pakistan and abroad. So, if I were you I would not throw stones while I am sitting in a house made of glass!

I can see your brain is filled with the zionist crap, werent your so called IDF planning to arm the PKK in turkey? By going off topic you and bringing in ISI to a topic about GAza you took ignorance to the next generation. If you have something informative to say about this topic then say so, otherwise keep your mouth shut.

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I beg to differ.

the Pakistan Army and the ISI not just responsible for murdering civilians in India and Afghanistan (by supporting barbaric terror organisations) but also responsible for the killing of Pakistani civilians - politicians, journalists, union leaders etc, anyone who posed a threat for them to continue enjoying their perks and their big chunk of the national resources.

The average Palesitinian in the West Bank under "Israeli Apartheid" (not to mention the average Palestinian who is an Israeli civilian) has far more better life than the average Pakistani. He has more money, more financial assets, more security and most importantly - more political rights than the Pakistani.

If the Pakistanis could live in the West Bank they would had much better life under Israel's control than in their own country.

Pakistan is a country of 180 million people, thats probably 20 times as much as in palestine. and who killed the israeli president after the oslo accords? ISI? haha

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I will repeat the truth although it is very unpleasant experience for an Anti-Semite like yourself to hear it again and again. Anti-Semite as yourself feel comfortable only when they are spreading lies and mendacity. The truth is like poison for you and your kind.

Unfortunately for you, I will continue to teach, free of charge, a degenerate as yourself an important lesson about the truth whenever you will spread your racism and hatred.

what truth? you should go to a thread about ISI and post that BS.

 

[nirreich]

I can see your brain is filled with the zionist crap, werent your so called IDF planning to arm the PKK in turkey? By going off topic you and bringing in ISI to a topic about GAza you took ignorance to the next generation. If you have something informative to say about this topic then say so, otherwise keep your mouth shut.

---------- Post added at 09:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:28 PM ----------


Pakistan is a country of 180 million people, thats probably 20 times as much as in palestine. and who killed the israeli president after the oslo accords? ISI? haha

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what truth? you should go to a thread about ISI and post that BS.

My "dear" fellow,

While attacking me for posting irrelevant information on this thread, you did the same thing that you condemned me for: a post with nothing new.

I gave the example of Pakistan to a Pakistani member who has the nerve to attack Israel's military for human rights violations while his own government, his own military and his own intelligence agency are responsible for much worse atrocities and crimes. So, I expect from you and your countrymen to show a bit of humility before condemning better countries as yours, like Israel.

You claimed without hesitating that Israel helps the PKK. Do you have any proof or you just dreamt it last night?

Regarding the topic of this thread, as I already argued it is a complete nonsense because Turkey as a NATO member will never risk a direct military confrontation with Israel. Their notorious PM can threat and scream until the cows come home, it will no difference. Turkey was found responsible by the UN to the tragic results of the flotilla and if it initiate an armed clash with Israeli navy, it will loose any sympathy in Europe and in the US.

To sum up, for your disappointment as an Anti-Semite Israel is under no real threat of a military challenge, not be Turkey and not by the under-developed Arab countries.

I k

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

you know what they say. fight a troll with trolling. and read my post again, where did i say they DO? i said they where threatning to.

atleast pakistan does not occupy poor little countries, isolate them by bulding a wall around them and gets away with it. and of course no one in ME can be a threat to israel when everyytime someone will try to buy better equipment, aircraft SAM etc Israel will pressure the seller with the support of big daddy US and terminate the deal.
unfair world we live in

 

[nirreich]

you know what they say. fight a troll with trolling. and read my post again, where did i say they DO? i said they where threatning to.

atleast pakistan does not occupy poor little countries, isolate them by bulding a wall around them and gets away with it. and of course no one in ME can be a threat to israel when everyytime someone will try to buy better equipment, aircraft SAM etc Israel will pressure the seller with the support of big daddy US and terminate the deal.
unfair world we live in

So Turkey threats, so what? Words are cheap, especially the ones of Arduan.

Israel did not occupy a poor little country - there was never a Palestinian state in the all history of humanity. Ask yourself what prevented the Muslim world the establish this state that you declare as so precious to you before the 1967 War. The Muslim World has 19 years (!!!) to create this state, so after you missed your chance and intentionally prevented a Palestinian state do not lecture Israel.

Pakistan's security agencies are responsible for thousand of murders and other crimes in Kashmir, in Afghanistan, and in Pakistan itself. Israel's security forces behave exactly the opposite and treat hostile civilian population with more humanity than Pakistan's security agencies treat their own countrymen.

Regarding arms sales, this exactly the world that we should live in: the radical, dictatorial, reactionary regimes in our world should be blocked from acquiring any advanced weaponry that will encourage them to threaten peaceful and democratic nations. Unfortunately most of the Arab countries are under-developed and are being government by murders, lunatics and aggressors and they must not be allowed to threaten Israel, the only democratic country in the ME.

 

[RedBeard]

Erdogan: Israel-Turkey relations may never be normal again

Turkish PM says he has lost patience with Bashar Assad, stating that the Syrian president will be ousted 'sooner or later'.

By ReutersTags: Israel TurkeyBashar AssadBarack ObamaRecep Tayyip Erdogan

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned on Saturday that relations with Israel may “never be normal again” as tensions continue to rise after Israel refused to apologize over a raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla last year in which Israel Defense Forces soldiers killed nine Turkish citizen.

Erdogan, in an interview on CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS" to be aired on Sunday, said that Syrian President Bashar Assad will be ousted "sooner or later" by his own people as the time of dictatorial rule fades around the world.

"You can never remain in power through cruelty. You can never stand before the will of the people," Erdogan said in a transcript released by CNN on Saturday.

"This process might be extended a little bit more but sooner or later in Syria, if people take a different decision, that decision is going to be catered to. Such as in Egypt, such as in Tunisia, such as in Libya. People want to be free."

Democracy is overtaking autocracy, he said, and "dictatorial systems are burning down to the ground."

Turkey, a NATO member and aspirant to join the European Union, is viewed as a bridge between the Western and Islamic worlds. Erdogan has had unprecedented access to Obama, whom he claimed to view in high regard, holding nine phone calls with the U.S. president this year.

"Personally, Barack Obama is someone I really like. And vis-a-vis his policies and his implementations, I want him to be much more successful," Erdogan said, wishing him luck in the November 2012 elections.

But the United States and Turkey differ greatly on the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians as a showdown looms over Palestinian statehood at the United Nations.
Ankara's once-friendly ties with Israel crumbled over the killing of Turkish activists on a Gaza-bound aid convoy by Israeli forces last year.

"In this situation, no matter who we are speaking about, democracy, rights and freedom should be defended," Erdogan said.

"We gave our warnings to Israel. This is the reason for war. This is something you cannot do in international waters. But as a great state, we have been very forgiving. That's why we have been very patient,” he added.

Turkey has demanded that Israel apologize, pay compensation and lift the Gaza embargo.
"If these demands are not met, the relations between Turkey and Israel will never become normal again. We have got nothing against the people of Israel but against the attitude adopted by the administration of Israel," Erdogan said.

He continued, saying “if you are insistent on creating a source of unrest, you are bound to become lonelier and lonelier. They used to be great friends of ours. And this solitude is Israel's fate under these circumstances."

Turkey has embraced Palestine's position for statehood, while Obama has said he would block any Palestinian bid for full recognition at the U.N. Security Council.

“So fed up with wars”

Erdogan sought to address perceptions that Turkey is moving toward a more Islamic foreign policy, abandoning a history of pro-Western sentiment.

"We seek out knowledge from whichever part of the world that is most advanced," he said.
"We don't want to see the clash of civilizations in this world. We want to see the alliance of civilizations. The world is so fed up with wars,” he added.

The prime minister tried to calm concerns over plans for a missile defense base in Turkey, saying the installation is a NATO concept and not a factor in Iran's tensions with Israel.
"We don't think Iran should get offended when there's no reason. We don't want to see Israel coming up with different interpretations from what is actually the reality," he said.

He questioned why Iran should be banned from having nuclear technology while Israel is allowed to be the only country in the region with nuclear weapons.

"Iran says that its only purpose is to generate affordable energy through nuclear power. We do not want to act on presumptions, and no sanctions based on presumptions are acceptable by Turkey," Erdogan said.

He also addressed reports he had taken holidays with Assad, whose crackdown on protests in Syria has led to U.S. calls for the long-time leader to step aside.

Erdogan said Assad was invited to a popular holiday locale but it was to discuss relations between the two countries and the two leaders never took a vacation together.

He said he finally lost patience with Assad. "If you're going to act against the fundamental rights, liberties and the law, you will lose your position in my heart as my brother and my friend," Erdogan said. "I was very patient. Patience, patience, patience. And then I cracked."


Erdogan: Israel-Turkey relations may never be normal again - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

So Turkey threats, so what? Words are cheap, especially the ones of Arduan.

Israel did not occupy a poor little country - there was never a Palestinian state in the all history of humanity. Ask yourself what prevented the Muslim world the establish this state that you declare as so precious to you before the 1967 War. The Muslim World has 19 years (!!!) to create this state, so after you missed your chance and intentionally prevented a Palestinian state do not lecture Israel.

Pakistan's security agencies are responsible for thousand of murders and other crimes in Kashmir, in Afghanistan, and in Pakistan itself. Israel's security forces behave exactly the opposite and treat hostile civilian population with more humanity than Pakistan's security agencies treat their own countrymen.

Regarding arms sales, this exactly the world that we should live in: the radical, dictatorial, reactionary regimes in our world should be blocked from acquiring any advanced weaponry that will encourage them to threaten peaceful and democratic nations. Unfortunately most of the Arab countries are under-developed and are being government by murders, lunatics and aggressors and they must not be allowed to threaten Israel, the only democratic country in the ME.

you mean there was never a israel, israel is a stolen land. and you guys are in israel because your holy scripts tells you that god has given you that land. And what has Pak army done in kashmir or afghanistan? Indian does the dirty work in kashmir and how dare you bring up afghanistan? afghans cross into our border every day, there are around a million of them in pakistan and they bomb themselve inside pakistan, even after we helped them against the soviets.
Peaceful democratic nations? come one man, cut out the bullshit. And they have EVERY ******* right in the world to aquire those weapons when israel is the ONLY nuclear state ME. So why is israel allowed to threaten them?

 

[silko]

Israel, the only democratic country in the ME.

not anymore

 

[Pakistanisage]

Well, superpower or not, Turkey is not immune to nuclear weapon

If israel even thinks about using a nuclear weapons against Turkey, what do you think will happen to Israel.

 

[nirreich]

you mean there was never a israel, israel is a stolen land. and you guys are in israel because your holy scripts tells you that god has given you that land. And what has Pak army done in kashmir or afghanistan? Indian does the dirty work in kashmir and how dare you bring up afghanistan? afghans cross into our border every day, there are around a million of them in pakistan and they bomb themselve inside pakistan, even after we helped them against the soviets.
Peaceful democratic nations? come one man, cut out the bullshit. And they have EVERY ******* right in the world to aquire those weapons when israel is the ONLY nuclear state ME. So why is israel allowed to threaten them?

Israel and the people of Israel already existed when Pakistan was not even a science fiction.

Pakistan helps terrorists in Kashmir and Afghanistan to butcher innocent people with suicide bombing and guerilla attacks. Needles to say that Israel is against any such warfare.

Regarding Afghanistan, Pakistan has and still is the main responsible for the instability in Afghanistan with its support for the Taliban which is a barbaric terror organisation. The ISI is behind terror attacks in Afghanistan both against civilians and NATO and Afghan forces. So, do not come and cry for the consequences for Pakistan's own internal security.

You do not like the truth, but reality is that Israel is a developed democratic country and its citizens, and particularly its Palestinians citizens enjoy better life conditions and political rights than any citizen in Pakistan or in one of the failed states of the ME.

Israel faces barbaric and primitive enemies: radical regime like in Syria, terror organisations like Hamas and Hizbualha, fascist and Anti-Semite regimes like in Iran and global Jihad organisations like Al-Qaeda. Not to mentioned the Anti-Semitism of the Arab masses and their open hostility towards Israel and their wish for its elimination.

this barbaric group of fascist and murderous factions should be prevented from acquiring any WMD or other advanced weaponry. They should remain impotent in their capability to exercise their evil intentions