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Moscou appelle Kiev à ne pas vendre ses technologies balistiques

11:24 09/04/2014
MOSCOU, 9 avril

Le ministère russe des Affaires étrangères est préoccupé par les informations selon lesquelles l'usine ukrainienne Yuzhmash négocierait la vente des technologies de production des missiles Voevoda, qui sont actuellement en service dans l'armée russe.

"En tant que membre du Régime de contrôle de la technologie des missiles et signataire du Code de conduite de la Haye, l'Ukraine (…) s'est engagée à ne pas apporter son assistance à d'autres pays développant des missiles balistiques capables de porter des armes de destruction massive", rappelle le ministère russe dans un communiqué.

Auparavant, certains médias ont rapporté qu'une délégation de l'usine Yuzhmash s'était rendue en Turquie pour mener des négociations en vue de vendre les technologies de production des missiles Voevoda, des lanceurs Zenit-2 et du complexe polyvalent Sapsan (en développement).

Capable de porter des charges nucléaires, le missile intercontinental à deux étages R-36M Voevoda (code OTAN: SS-18 Satan) est doté d'une ogive multiple composée de 10 têtes (16 têtes selon certaines informations). Sa portée maximale est de 11.500 km malgré une masse de plus de 210 t au décollage. Le missile de 3 m de diamètre peut emporter une charge utile de 8,8 t. Il s'agit du plus puissant missile balistique intercontinental russe.

Selon l'ex-chef de l'état-major des Forces stratégiques russes Viktor Iessine cité par le journal Moskovski Komsomolets, la vente éventuelle des technologies en question ne se répercutera pas sur les capacités de défense de la Russie.

"Le missile Voevoda est très ancien, et il sera dans tous les cas retiré d'ici 2020. En ce qui concerne le complexe Zenit-2, il n'y a presque pas de secrets: il s'agit d'un lanceur qui n'est utilisé que pour les tirs spatiaux. Quant au complexe Sapsan, c'est un projet ukrainien, et la partie ukrainienne est en droit d'en disposer comme bon lui semble", a indiqué M.Iessine.

RIA Novosti

La Russie met en garde l'Ukraine contre la prolifération des technologies de missiles

2014-04-08 07:30:49

La Russie a attiré lundi l'attention de l'Ukraine sur les informations données par des médias selon lesquelles une entreprise ukrainienne de technologies spatiales militaires serait en train de négocier avec des pays tiers pour la vente de technologies de missiles.

Evoquant l'usine de Yuzhmash basée dans la ville de Dnepropetrovsk dans l'est de l'Ukraine, le ministère russe des Affaires étrangères a souligné que l'Ukraine est partie prenante du Régime de contrôle des technologies de missiles (MTCR) etest signataire du Code de conduite de La Haye contre la prolifération des missiles balistiques (HCoC).

Moscou estime que Kiev a de sérieuses obligations politiques et doit spécialement faire preuve de retenue quand il s'agit des technologies relatives à la production de missiles dont la portée dépasse les 300 kilomètres et la charge est au-dessus de 500 kilogrammes.

"En vertu du MTCR, le résultat le plus probable de ces négociations doit être le refus de céder les technologies", a précisé le ministère dans un communiqué.

L'usine de Yuzhmash produit des missiles balistiques intercontinentaux,Voevoda, soit SS-18 Satan selon la classification de l'OTAN, capables de porter huit ogives nucléaires. Elle peut produire également des missiles Dnepr à partir de Voevoda.

Moscou rappelle que les parties prenantes du HCoC ont l'obligation de ne pas faciliter, ni ne soutenir d'autres pays dans leurs efforts de produire des missiles balistiques capables de porter des armes de destruction massive.

La Russie souhaite que malgré la situation politique compliquée en Ukraine, les dirigeants du pays doivent assumer la responsabilité et respecter leurs obligations dans le cadre du MTCR et du HOoC, en vue de ne pas saboter les régimes de non prolifération.

Elaboré en 1987 par le Canada, la France, l'Allemagne, l'Italie, le Japon, le Royaume-Uni et les Etats-Unis, le MTCR a été signé par 34 pays jusqu'à présent. Le Code de La Haye a été signé en 2002 dont le nombre de signataires s'est élevé actuellement à 137.

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They cant imagine how many billions dollars we can pay for thskind of strategic technologies, our economy still solid as they know...

Actually we have achived enough range and technological infrastructure so after that not that important they will share technology or not... but i can advice them don't knock the door of IMF again it gonna be big trouble for Ukrain in the near future... if you have somthing valuable things for us, we are ready to pay...

 

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Can Russia's military fly without Ukraine's parts?

Russian forces rely on Ukrainian engines, weapons, and aircraft – and Kiev, fearing invasion, is considering pulling the plug on its supplies.

By Fred Weir, Correspondent / April 10, 2014
Moscow

Russia's sleek new military machine, currently poised on Ukraine's eastern borders, has a problem: It runs on components produced in Ukraine, which are still being delivered by Ukrainian companies.

And now, Ukraine's beleaguered interim government is warning that it might call a halt to all arms supplies to Russia: "Manufacturing products for Russia that will later be aimed against us would be complete insanity," Vitaliy Yarema, Kiev's first deputy prime minister, said.

Such a move, experts say, could cause serious damage to Russia's military capacity, by greatly increasing the costs of the sweeping modernization ordered by the Kremlin after Russia's 2008 war with Georgia exposed serious shortcomings in the country's military preparedness. But in the longer term, experts add, the economic pain is likely to be felt more deeply in Ukraine, for whom Russia is the irreplaceable market for about 90 percent of its military exports.

Russo-Ukrainian military industry

The Kremlin is taking the prospect of a cutoff very seriously. At a government meeting Wednesday, President Vladimir Putin ordered emergency measures to work around any sudden cutoff of military components from Ukraine and promised to find funds to pay for it. "We need to look ahead and work out which Russian companies, in what time frame, and at what cost could produce these goods," Mr. Putin told his ministers.

Russian Industry Minister Denis Manturov told Putin that the value of outstanding orders from Ukraine in the "civilian and defense" sectors is more than $15 billion. Analysts say a major part of that would be military parts and equipment.

"This is a really unpleasant moment for Russia," because military cooperation with Ukraine was vital, says Viktor Litovkin, a military expert with the official ITAR-Tass news agency.

Though military integration between Russia and Ukraine is well down from its Soviet-era peak, Ukraine still makes a surprising number of essential parts that go into modern Russian weaponry.

According to a 2009 survey by Kiev's Razumkov Center, Ukrainian factories produce the engines that power most Russian combat helicopters; about half of the air-to-air missiles deployed on Russian fighter planes; and a range of engines used by Russian aircraft and naval vessels. The state-owned Antonov works in Kiev makes a famous range of transport aircraft, including the modern AN-70. The Russian Air Force was to receive 60 of the sleek new short-takeoff-and-landing aircraft, which now it may have to do without.

Valentin Badrak, director of the Center of Army Studies in Kiev, says that even Russia's new Ilyushin Il-476 transport aircraft, which is built in the central Russian city of Ulyanovsk, cannot be produced without Ukrainian spare parts. He says Russia will be hurt by a cutoff of cooperation in "several spheres.... In Ukraine we have about two dozen companies that had projects with Russia important to Russia's security and defense."

The mainstay of Russia's strategic missile forces is the SS-18 Satan multiple-warhead intercontinental ballistic missile, all of which were produced in Soviet times at the giant Yuzhmash works in Dnipropetrovsk, and which still rely on Ukrainian expertise to keep in working order. However, the Razumkov report notes that Russia's next generation of strategic missiles, including the mobile Topol-M, are entirely produced in Russia.

"We have our own specialists who can service the Satan missiles," says Mr. Litovkin. "The problem is mostly a legal one," because the Ukrainians have the propriety rights to do that work, he adds.

Selling Russian secrets?

The Kremlin may also be worried that a Ukraine freed from its contractual obligations to Moscow might go out and sell Russian military secrets to other countries.

Russia's foreign ministry posted an unusual note :

“ THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

official site

Comment by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs regarding Ukraine’s
obligation with regard to the non-proliferation of missile technologie

785-07-04-2014

We noted messages in some of the mass media about negotiations by the
Ukrainian company Uzhmash (Dnepropetrovsk) with representatives of
some countries, regarding the sale of a production technology for
heavy-class intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) R-36N2 “Voyevoda”

In this regard, we would like to note that Ukraine, being a member of the
Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and the Hague Code of
Conduct (HCOC) against Ballistic Missile Proliferation, assumes serious
political obligations. In particular, to be restrained, when considering the issue
of transferring the
technology for the creation of missiles capable of carrying a useful load of
over 500 kg to a distance of over 300 km. At the same time, according to MTCR
Guidelines such considerations should most probably result in a refusal of
such a transfer. Moreover, members of the HCOC are obliged not to contribute,
not to support and not to help other countries, to develop creation
programme for ballistic missiles, which are capable of carrying weapons
of mass destruction. (ICBM) “Voyevoda” certainly meets the above
mentioned criteria.

We trust that despite the complicated foreign policy situation in Ukraine and the
lack of legitimate supreme authorities, the current leaders of the country will be
responsible, will fully comply with their obligations under the MTCR and the
HCOC,
and will refrain from any steps that could disruptthe existing regimes of
non-proliferation of WMD and the means of their supply.

7 April 2014 “​

earlier this week warning that Ukrainian representatives of Yuzhmash, which built the SS-18, were meeting with "representatives of some countries, regarding the sale of a production technology for heavy-class intercontinental ballistic missiles."

It added "we trust that despite the complicated foreign policy situation in Ukraine and the lack of legitimate supreme authorities, the current leaders of the country will be responsible, will fully comply with their obligation" to fulfill legal requirements and international rules against the proliferation of missile technologies.

Some Russian bloggers suggested that Ukraine was trying to sell Russian heavy missile technology to Turkey, a NATO country.

Costs for Ukraine

Experts say that Russia's dependence on Ukraine is a Soviet-era habit that, once broken, will prove to be a boost to Russia's own military-industrial development.

"I think we will survive this stroke of misfortune," says Litovkin. "Russian industry can compensate for the losses, but it will require investment and may take some time."

For Ukraine, on the other hand, severing military manufacturing ties with Russia could be devastating in the long run. Ukraine makes few complete weapons systems – other than T-84 tanks, some Soviet-era air defense missiles, and Antonov planes – and would struggle to find alternative markets for its mainstay production of Russian military hardware components.

"For the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, it will be a disaster," leading to plant closures and tens of thousands of unemployed workers, predicts Igor Korotchenko, director of the independent Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade in Moscow.

"As for Russia, the situation is bad," he adds, "but we'll survive."

The Christian Science Monitor

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- Russia MTCR engagement with South Korea.

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Russia's sleek new military machine, currently poised on Ukraine's eastern borders, has a problem: It runs on components produced in Ukraine, which are still being delivered by Ukrainian companies.

only read till this part, but this means that Russie eyes east Ukraine too. we shouldn't be surprised to see east Ukraine breaking away too under disguise of lousy reasons.

 

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Ukranian military technology for Pakistan

 

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Zenit !!!