Turkey to build the largest European mosque in Bucharest

[Azad-Kashmiri]

typical spineless reply, as expected. tell me why AS is not a Mosque anymore?
I wish I can pray there at last once in my life.

and on toilets, don't worry our government is building them......without any type of fatwas

@_@

You may mock with your ''google-eyes''. The Ottomans were our shield, our honour; they protected us from humiliation as we're in now. We yearn for there return so we can once again raise our heads in pride. The hypocrite amongst them killed it in 1924 Never the less, we'll get out of this humiliation as the night changes to day. Our time will come insha'Allah.

 

[jamahir]

zakir naik is not a deobandi. he's what is called "ghair muqalid". saudis like this school of thought better and support it.

"muqalid" and "ghair muqalid" are terms i came to know of only after i googled for them from your post... they are simply technical terms that have nothing much to do with overall ideology.

there are only three mullah ideologies in the world - wahabi, deobandi, ayatollai... all "muslim" reactionary groups are mix and match out of these three.

deobandi setup does not receive much/anything from saudia except maybe respect perhaps...

last year, i had visited website of "dar-ul-uloom deoband" and their excitement then was visit by some saudi royal... i am sure this mullah college receives huge saudi funds every year... how else could "peace tv" have started?? how else could the huge "tableeghi jamaat" ijtema in bangladesh have been conducted these many years??

 

[Faiez]

"muqalid" and "ghair muqalid" are terms i came to know of only after i googled for them from your post... they are simply technical terms that have nothing much to do with overall ideology.

there are only three mullah ideologies in the world - wahabi, deobandi, ayatollai... all "muslim" reactionary groups are mix and match out of these three.



last year, i had visited website of "dar-ul-uloom deoband" and their excitement then was visit by some saudi royal... i am sure this mullah college receives huge saudi funds every year... how else could "peace tv" have started?? how else could the huge "tableeghi jamaat" ijtema in bangladesh have been conducted these many years??

Let me explain a little bit more....

the deobandi school of thought follows an extrem-ish vesion of hanfi school of thought. Ghair muqalids don't follow ANY school of thought, they combine all four and don't mind the minor differences. Saudis love this idea because that's how they think they can unite all muslims. zakir naik and peace tv etc, they're not deobandis, they're ghair-muqalids, they don't like to be called hanfis, sunnis, shia, anything except muslims. Deobandis and ghair-muqalids have their differences. Plus deobandis have differences with the saudis as well. Maybe deobandis get something every now and then and btw I also heard of that saudi royal visiting their "headquarters" in deoband. But the real funds go to the zakir naik movement. Everyone in the middle-east just love that guy. And I don't think they're funding any extremists or terrorists.

Let me repeat again Zakir Naik and deoband movements are not linked, they are two separate entities, they even have conflicts on many matters. Other than that, I do think that large funds come to peace tv and group from all over the world, not just saudia in particular. In my opinion, peace tv and group are clean.

The kind of terrorist madrassas your talking of are not funded through clean money, they are funded through intelligence agencies. That kind of a madrassah and movement can popup almost any where around the world and gets dismantled when it's no longer needed. Do you remember how saudi intelligence warned russia not to interfere in syria or else they'd destroy their winter olympics....That kind of thing.

I don't think the deobandi movement in india is a terrorist outfit either, they seem clean. How ever, they do obviously produce extremists. But there's a difference between an extremist and an extremist+terrorist.

And btw tablighi jamaat is not linked to ghair-muqalids or peace tv or zakir naik. Tablighi jamaat is an entirely different setup. It's a global thing. In Pakistan, they get around 3 million + in their ijtema. They have big support globally, operating "markaz"es in almost every country. Also, they send ulema and volunteers from all over the world to places where they don't have large followings. It is pretty much self funded. They go literally door to door, calling people to their jamaat. They are apolitical and peaceful. They're clean. They don't do politics, that's how they gained such a large following. They just tell you to be honest, pray, etc etc. That's how you will even see moderate shias in their gatherings sometimes. Even shias can follow them as they never get into the details of figh etc, they just focus on the common points.

So there you go, now you know the different religious movements that began in your very own India.

 

[jamahir]

Let me explain a little bit more....

the deobandi school of thought follows an extrem-ish vesion of hanfi school of thought. Ghair muqalids don't follow ANY school of thought, they combine all four and don't mind the minor differences. Saudis love this idea because that's how they think they can unite all muslims. zakir naik and peace tv etc, they're not deobandis, they're ghair-muqalids, they don't like to be called hanfis, sunnis, shia, anything except muslims. Deobandis and ghair-muqalids have their differences. Plus deobandis have differences with the saudis as well. Maybe deobandis get something every now and then and btw I also heard of that saudi royal visiting their "headquarters" in deoband. But the real funds go to the zakir naik movement. Everyone in the middle-east just love that guy. And I don't think they're funding any extremists or terrorists.

Let me repeat again Zakir Naik and deoband movements are not linked, they are two separate entities, they even have conflicts on many matters. Other than that, I do think that large funds come to peace tv and group from all over the world, not just saudia in particular. In my opinion, peace tv and group are clean.

The kind of terrorist madrassas your talking of are not funded through clean money, they are funded through intelligence agencies. That kind of a madrassah and movement can popup almost any where around the world and gets dismantled when it's no longer needed. Do you remember how saudi intelligence warned russia not to interfere in syria or else they'd destroy their winter olympics....That kind of thing.

I don't think the deobandi movement in india is a terrorist outfit either, they seem clean. How ever, they do obviously produce extremists. But there's a difference between an extremist and an extremist+terrorist.

And btw tablighi jamaat is not linked to ghair-muqalids or peace tv or zakir naik. Tablighi jamaat is an entirely different setup. It's a global thing. In Pakistan, they get around 3 million + in their ijtema. They have big support globally, operating "markaz"es in almost every country. Also, they send ulema and volunteers from all over the world to places where they don't have large followings. It is pretty much self funded. They go literally door to door, calling people to their jamaat. They are apolitical and peaceful. They're clean. They don't do politics, that's how they gained such a large following. They just tell you to be honest, pray, etc etc. That's how you will even see moderate shias in their gatherings sometimes. Even shias can follow them as they never get into the details of figh etc, they just focus on the common points.

So there you go, now you know the different religious movements that began in your very own India.

you are over-complicating... let us look at all this in a big-picture, broader, simpler manner.

yes, i know about the saudi intelligence chief threat to russia government about the reactionaries/terrorists the sauds control... the main "muslim" reactionary group operating in russia, china and the centra asia stans, is the "hizb-ut-tahrir", which like other such groups is a creation of usa government and derives its ideology from tableeghi jamaat... in australia, hizb is a legal group and australia is part of nato.

do you know of the indian young fellow from bangalore city arrested for supporting isis/isil?? mehdi masroor biswas was arrested late in 2014 for running a isis/fsa support twitter account from where he provided info to those reactionary types who wanted to fight against the syrian government... do you know of another young fellow from maharashtra state who returned after terrorists operating in syria ( or iraq ) sent him back ( or he escaped, i don't remember )... how do you suppose they become reactionary?? the swine tableeghi jamaatis used to come to my house saying that they are on "gasht" and "they want to invite all brothers to the mosque" ( or some such nonsense )... this happens all over india... did you know that there are 300,000+ mosques in india?? what do you think happens there, socialist/progressive talk??

you must surely know of the connection of the egyptian group, ikhwaan ( mb ), to abu ala maududi... the poison teachings of maududi are responsible for every "muslim" terrorist groups's ideology, even those connected to the ayatollahs of iran.

i don't see how you can call such groups as clean... in the last 20 years, most indian muslims have become reactionary and have become only about college/job/burqa/beard/mosque... i consider these fool majority among indian muslims to be responsible for india becoming "suicide capital of the world"... these fools did not present the real part of islam ( its socialist economics, for example ) but became busy in building 300,000+ mosques... no, janaab... they are not clean... they are filthy to the extreme.

this is what most indian "muslims" are about now...

1. In ‘Hindutva factory’, Muslim moral police watches over ‘their’ women - Bangalore Mirror

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they are embarrassing me, they are embarrassing islam... and all because of the tableeghi jamaat and the deobandis... they are directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of 150,000+ libyans and 200,000+ syrians just since 2011.

and if you call tableeghi jamaat and the deobandis as clean, you can call ttp also as clean.

 

[Faiez]

the swine tableeghi jamaatis used to come to my house saying that they are on "gasht" and "they want to invite all brothers to the mosque" ( or some such nonsense )... this happens all over india... did you know that there are 300,000+ mosques in india?? what do you think happens there, socialist/progressive talk??

They just call you to the mosque, that's all. They ask you to pray at the mosque instead of in your house. You can go and see what kind of talks are there.

And how's socialism a good thing ? I'm a free market guy and I say F*CK socialism. The filthiest ideology to ever have hit mankind. Long live the free world, Long live the free market.

you must surely know of the connection of the egyptian group, ikhwaan ( mb ), to abu ala maududi... the poison teachings of maududi are responsible for every "muslim" terrorist groups's ideology, even those connected to the ayatollahs of iran.

Most of these terrorist groups (deobandi groups) don't follow madudi's teachings, they call him a heretic etc....I don't think you know what you're talking about.

they are embarrassing me, they are embarrassing islam... and all because of the tableeghi jamaat and the deobandis... they are directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of 150,000+ libyans and 200,000+ syrians just since 2011.

You cannot link tablighi jamaat with syria and libya....They have no involvement there. Even CIA and the west acknowledges their "cleanliness". They're not violent. Tablighi Jamaat doesn't do politics. Infact, some hardline terrorist groups actually HATE them for not getting violent and using their power of numbers...

 

[jamahir]

I'm a free market guy and I say F*CK socialism. The filthiest ideology to ever have hit mankind. Long live the free world, Long live the free market.

yes, and the free market will listen to those ignorant "suppy and demand" theory and will freely produce burqas or mba colleges or clothing for dogs, without seeing the wrongness in this.

1. money system and capitalism are unnatural.

2. socialism is the most natural system for any person concerned about "the other" and to bring about a enlightened, scientific, democratic and gentle humanity ( the ideal of communism ).

Most of these terrorist groups (deobandi groups) don't follow madudi's teachings, they call him a heretic etc....I don't think you know what you're talking about.

you should consult with pdf's hamas and mb supporter/activist, falcon29 ( formerly hazzy ).

You cannot link tablighi jamaat with syria and libya....They have no involvement there. Even CIA and the west acknowledges their "cleanliness". They're not violent. Tablighi Jamaat doesn't do politics. Infact, some hardline terrorist groups actually HATE them for not getting violent and using their power of numbers...

come on... cia breeds and feeds movements/groups like tableeghi jamaat... didn't you look at the two numbered points in my previous post to see the "gentleness" of the tableeghis?? those are from south india.

are you a tableeghi, by the way??

 

[Faiez]

yes, and the free market will listen to those ignorant "suppy and demand" theory and will freely produce burqas or mba colleges or clothing for dogs, without seeing the wrongness in this.

1. money system and capitalism are unnatural.

2. socialism is the most natural system for any person concerned about "the other" and to bring about a enlightened, scientific, democratic and gentle humanity ( the ideal of communism ).



you should consult with pdf's hamas and mb supporter/activist, falcon29 ( formerly hazzy ).



come on... cia breeds and feeds movements/groups like tableeghi jamaat... didn't you look at the two numbered points in my previous post to see the "gentleness" of the tableeghis?? those are from south india.

are you a tableeghi, by the way??

Go read more about the problems with socialism........Socialism will never work.

Tablighi Jamaat is not funded by any intelligence agency, they are apolitical, so much so that they never even mention any political ideas in any of their speeches etc.

I'm a former tablighi........I think I know what I'm talking.

 

[jamahir]

Go read more about the problems with socialism........Socialism will never work.

socialism has existed in various degrees for thousands of years and communism is the only natural system for near-future humanity.

tell me, do you want money system to remain or to be abolished??

I'm a former tablighi

there !!

 

[Faiez]

socialism has existed in various degrees for thousands of years and communism is the only natural system for near-future humanity.

tell me, do you want money system to remain or to be abolished??



there !!

Everything is natural.

Some natural is here to stay, other natural will go extinct. Socialism is not sustainable.

I want a free money system. Not centrally planned/controlled. I want a free society and a free market.

 

[haviZsultan]

That's really good to know

exchange of religious beliefs will promote peace and harmony amongst the two nations.

Some of our jingoistic Romanian friends don't think so. They believe a mosque immediately means a terrorist factory in their neighborhood.

I believe there should be more churches in Pakistan and mosques in Europe. And of course inter faith dialogue.

 

[jamahir]

Everything is natural.

from within nature maybe but some things cannot be allowed.

can injustices and oppressions be allowed just because they too are "natural"??

can idolatry be allowed the same way??

I want a free money system.

what does "free money system" mean??

do you mean "without money system"??

Not centrally planned/controlled. I want a free society and a free market.

what you say is only a unfinished implementation of socialism "which should lead towards a future communism"... true communism is the ideal where "governments have fallen, militaries have been disbanded and people rule themselves"... as you see, a ideal state of humanity where true democracy prevails.

ussr stagnated into a single-party dictatorship which from the the above ideal of communism actually goes against socialism and communism and actual democracy... so did other socialist countries.

but libyan jamahiriya was a place where direct-democracy existed for 40 years and citizens lived comfortably and freely.

free market?? did you see what free market has done to india?? last year, the "world health organization" declared india to be "suicide capital of the world"... that is the effect of 68 years of free market and extreme capitalism.

 

[-SINAN-]

^^ Again Indian trolls ruined a thread in PDF....mods should permaban Indians.

What messing? Someone made a pretty nuetral comment. Someone who is a muslim socialist mind you. It was not some snide remark targeting Turkey's pride. Man, you are touchier and more sensitive than a teenage girl.

Also, please show me your bad side.. LMAO.. this is like a C-grade popcorn flick. Bad side.. Oooohhh..

Thread is about Turkey and Europe....Indians are irrelevant in this thread. Go troll with your brothers elsewhere.

 

[AUz]

Here is the only pillar, with "purely" western European nations developed only in the enclaves around their capitals and tax haven Ireland. Click on the play button. Enjoy.

Statistics illustrated - Eurostat

Cool chart but I fail to understand how is this related to my comment.

 

[Faiez]

from within nature maybe but some things cannot be allowed.

can injustices and oppressions be allowed just because they too are "natural"??

can idolatry be allowed the same way??

what does "free money system" mean??

do you mean "without money system"??

what you say is only a unfinished implementation of socialism "which should lead towards a future communism"... true communism is the ideal where "governments have fallen, militaries have been disbanded and people rule themselves"... as you see, a ideal state of humanity where true democracy prevails.

ussr stagnated into a single-party dictatorship which from the the above ideal of communism actually goes against socialism and communism and actual democracy... so did other socialist countries.

but libyan jamahiriya was a place where direct-democracy existed for 40 years and citizens lived comfortably and freely.

free market?? did you see what free market has done to india?? last year, the "world health organization" declared india to be "suicide capital of the world"... that is the effect of 68 years of free market and extreme capitalism.

-Nature is cruel, what can you do....
-a free system where you can do what ever you want, setup your own bank, your own currency, everything and anything.
-You know very well India is as much of a free market as was USSR a socialist/communist economy. So if you're going to blame the free market for what ever is going on in India or even USA or anywhere around the world, I can do the exact same with socialism. Both these concepts have never truly been implemented anywhere around the world.

 

[Hyperion]

I don't understand what The Sultan is up to....... I think he wants to outdo the Saudi's somehow!