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Turkey stays away from China’s Belt and Road summit citing debt-trap diplomacy and Uighur concerns

Uighar can leave China if they don't want to obey Chinese law.
in fact uighars in Turkey are second class citizens.

You don’t even let them leave ....your country threatens them overseas too - China is a police state !

Pakistan has 4 neighors, two fellow Muslim countries, Afghanistan and Iran, one Hindu country, India, one Communist country, China. Which of those four countries maintains a quiet and peaceful borders with Pakistan and is willing to help when Pakistan is in need?


China under mounting international pressure repeated blocked masood azhar listing which resulted in massive Indian market boycotting China goods is for China's own interest?

We suffered real loss ,what loss Turkey suffered besides some cheap lip service?

That’s the way of the world my friend... China and Pakistan both need each other due to geopolitics...if ever the equation with India changes you lot will dump us
 
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That’s the way of the world my friend... China and Pakistan both need each other due to geopolitics...if ever the equation with India changes you lot will dump us
You should see that India has been pulling all stops to befriend China, but China doesn't budge, even India is one of the biggest markets for the Chinese products.

If Pakistan pushed China away by the so called Muslim brotherhood ideas, you will see it's your loss, China does business around the world, no one is irreplaceable.
 
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If you look at Beijing/Shanghai, they have more than 20m people and yet they are 'only' that bright in the above satellite map. Bear in mind that Beijing/Shanghai are highly urbanized/highly developed, and the above urban agglomeration includes nearby surrounding smaller cities.

You compare this to Kyushu region of Japan which has 13m people, barely half of Beijing/Shanghai.
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Kyushu is much brighter with many more bright spots even with half of the population.
And that's because Beijing/Shanghai are much more densely populated with concentrated population centers, not because Chinese statistics are fake whatsoever.

So satellite map isn't necessarily a good indicator because it ignores population density. I think Singapore's light is probably even smaller than Pyongyang but that's because we are geographically small with high density, not because we don't consume much.

Density of North Korea:

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As you can see, their population isn't evenly spread. One region is easily 10x more dense than another region. The majority of land doesn't even have 250 people per km2.

If NK is really that backwards, they wouldn't be able to come up with nukes and ICBMs with just 25m people and so little economic resources.

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If you look at Beijing/Shanghai, they have more than 20m people and yet they are 'only' that bright in the above satellite map. Bear in mind that Beijing/Shanghai are highly urbanized/highly developed, and the above urban agglomeration includes nearby surrounding smaller cities.

You compare this to Kyushu region of Japan which has 13m people, barely half of Beijing/Shanghai.
regions_of_japan.png


Kyushu is much brighter with many more bright spots even with half of the population.
And that's because Beijing/Shanghai are much more densely populated with concentrated population centers, not because Chinese statistics are fake whatsoever.

So satellite map isn't necessarily a good indicator because it ignores population density. I think Singapore's light is probably even smaller than Pyongyang but that's because we are geographically small with high density, not because we don't consume much.

Density of North Korea:

prkdens.jpg


As you can see, their population isn't evenly spread. One region is easily 10x more dense than another region. The majority of land doesn't even have 250 people per km2.

If NK is really that backwards, they wouldn't be able to come up with nukes and ICBMs with just 25m people and so little economic resources.

Your explanation does not pass the smell test. North Korea and South Korea have the same area (North Korea is 25% larger. it does not change the math too much)

South Korea has 50 million people - 25 million in Seoul
North Korea has 25 million people - 4 million in Pyongyang

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You have plenty of light all over South Korea.

The only rational explanation is North Korean countryside is in serious trouble

As far as North Korean nukes and ICBMs goes you can write "MADE IN CHINA"
 
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Some Pakistani seems to very radical , just wondering if they are true Pakistani?

You should see that India has been pulling all stops to befriend China, but China doesn't budge, even India is one of the biggest markets for the Chinese products.

If Pakistan pushed China away by the so called Muslim brotherhood ideas, you will see it's your loss, China does business around the world, no one is irreplaceable.
China do not need you be friendly to China,Just need Pakistan be rational
 
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Your explanation does not pass the smell test. North Korea and South Korea have the same area (North Korea is 25% larger. it does not change the math too much)

South Korea has 50 million people - 25 million in Seoul
North Korea has 25 million people - 4 million in Pyongyang

lightsnight-nasa-koreas.jpg


You have plenty of light all over South Korea.

The only rational explanation is North Korean countryside is in serious trouble

As far as North Korean nukes and ICBMs goes you can write "MADE IN CHINA"

Did I compare NK to SK? Nope, obviously SK is much more advanced.

I'm comparing NK to India, and I'm saying it isn't impossible for NK to have higher per capita electricity consumption than India.
 
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Did I compare NK to SK? Nope, obviously SK is much more advanced.

I'm comparing NK to India, and I'm saying it isn't impossible for NK to have higher per capita electricity consumption than India.

You cannot compare to India. India has 60 times more people and 25 times more area
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Why not? NK has only 20m people (less than Shanghai/Beijing), with Pyongyang as its major population center.

People dress neatly and streets are clean, at least in Pyongyang.



I believe it’s also a cultural issue. From my experience/journeys in South and East Asia , I think East Asian society is more focused on getting things done and society/people are more hard working, organised and even more disciplined(which can be explained by the fact that they tend to prioritise the collective rather than the individual ), I guess that also translates to more cleanliness as a society?

Turkey stays away from China’s Belt and Road summit citing debt-trap diplomacy and Uighur concerns
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By bne IntelliNews April 25, 2019

Claiming wariness of debt-trap diplomacy, Turkey has opted to not attend China’s three-day Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) forum that started on April 25.

Intended to promote Chinese leader Xi Jinping’s “project of the century” to deploy modern infrastructure to revive ancient ‘Silk Road’ trading routes between Asia and Europe—as well as build new links in the Middle East, Africa, and South America—the summit will draw ire from critics who see it as an attempt at cementing Chinese influence around the world by financially binding countries to Beijing.

Turkey is among the countries that are missing this second such BRI summit, having attended the first. Turkish officials have communicated that both their rejection of debt-trap diplomacy and the diplomatic row between Ankara and Beijing over China’s treatment of the Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim minority in Xinjiang province, are two key reasons behind their non-attendance.

In late March, the arrest of four Turkish executives in China for tax evasion led to speculation that Beijing was firing a shot across Ankara’s bows to warn the Turks of the economic price they would pay if they kept up their stinging criticism of the Chinese crackdown on the Turkic peoples of Xinjiang. Turkey’s Hurriyet Daily Newsreported widespread panic broke out among Turkish attendees at the Xiamen International Stone Fair after news of the arrests, with businesspeople grabbing any flight they could out of mainland China for fear that they might be detained next. One attendee reportedly vowed never to return to China, saying he was lucky to find a place on the first plane out.

Other absentees from the BRI summit are Poland, Spain, Fiji, Sri Lanka, and Argentina, according to the Eurasia Group.

Generating “legitimacy”
“The overall purpose of the BRI is to generate legitimacy for the Chinese leadership and the Chinese Communist Party more broadly,” Thomas Eder, a research associate at the Mercator Institute for Chinese Studies, was quoted as saying by the Guardian.

“Such prestige is bolstered by every government signing a BRI memorandum of understanding and every head of government attending a grand BRI summit in Beijing. These countries allow Xi Jinping to then tell Chinese citizens that the entire world is endorsing his policies and that he is the one to have put China firmly back at the centre of the global stage.”

The event is to be attended by 37 leaders as well as top ministers, including Russian president Vladimir Putin, Italian prime minister Giuseppe Conte (Italy has become the first G7 nation to endorse the BRI), UK chancellor Philip Hammond, Pakistan’s prime minister Imran Khan and the heads of state of the 10 Asean (Association of South-east Asian Nations) states. The US is reportedly sending low-level delegates, while China’s arch-rival India is not attending.


https://www.intellinews.com/turkey-stays-away-from-china-s-belt-and-road-summit-citing-debt-trap-diplomacy-and-uighur-concerns-160249/
Not sure if this was a good move by Turkey. Maybe it’s a temporal issue due to recent geopolitical events. Maybe they will be present in the next meeting of BRI depending on how the situation evolves.
 
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I feel Turkey should attend this international meeting. It's like turkey want to Isolate himself, This is not good diplomatic policy.
 
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I believe it’s also a cultural issue. From my experience/journeys in South and East Asia , I think East Asian society is more focused on getting things done and society/people are more hard working, organised and even more disciplined(which can be explained by the fact that they tend to prioritise the collective rather than the individual ), I guess that also translates to more cleanliness as a society?

Yes, it's a different culture. South Asian culture is more spiritual in nature and therefore they like to debate and argue, while East Asian culture focuses more on pragmatic results and get things done.

throughout East Asia, because they were influenced by China and probably not just by culture alone, there must have been a lot of similar genes, similar stock, probably the physical makeup was not very different, so they were very intense types, hard-driving, hard- striving people. Whereas if you go to India, you’ll find sadhus, holy men, people who abjure the world, who go around giving land away or begging from the rich to give to the poor. It’s a totally different culture. There’s the sort of Gandhi saintliness. It’s not the model in China. In China, the model is either Three Kingdoms or Shui Hu Zhuan, Water Margin, the kind of hero who forms a robber band and kills off wealthy people. You don’t go begging from the wealthy to give to the poor. You just kill the wealthy and take from them.

So it is a completely different philosophy to guide a man in life. The Indians have a more tolerant and forgiving approach to life. More next-worldly. If you do good, then in the next world you’ll get rewarded.

-Lee Kuan Yew
 
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Yes, it's a different culture. South Asian culture is more spiritual in nature and therefore they like to debate and argue, while East Asian culture focuses more on pragmatic results and get things done.

while what you say is true in general there is nothing pragmatic about North Korea
there is a reason those tourists were allowed to photograph/visit Pyongyang not the countryside
 
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