Turkey slams UAE foreign minister for tarnishing Ottoman legacy

[TurkeyForever]

These arabs will lie through their teeth to make others like them, losers.

 

[Surenas]

This thread is very telling.
About why muslims around the world are suffering today

The reasons why Muslims are suffering is much more complex than just bickering between Muslim leaders about the religious legitimacy of previous empires. Muslims are suffering because of religious zealotism, a lack of scientific infrastructure and ingenuity, corruption, sectarianism, ethnic aversion, etc.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Again, you don't know what you are talking about.

First of all that is 1 Western source. No primary source.

Secondly it mentions that the Arab elite married with the Persian elite and that Persians were present in Harems and that some Persians became scholars at the Abbasid court and toyed the Abbasid line. What is that supposed to show?

That does not change the following facts;

The Abbasids were Hijazi Arabs, Arabic was the language franca and the language of Islam, science and poetry, Arabic culture ruled supreme, Arabic architecture, Arabic scholars and scientists dominated, the heartlands and most developed regions of the Abbasid Caliphate were Arab lands/regions, the capitals were Arab and founded by Arabs.

Using that logic Safavids were even more influenced by Arab culture and civilization since they were Arabized to a large extend and obviously Islamized as well as being totally dependent on Arab Shia scholars. The entire Safavid nobility was dominated by those Shia Arab clerics who were given large plots of land in Iran proper. They were the dominating class in society outside the Safavid ruling family. Which is why it was possible for their descendants 400-500 years after to have so much influence that they ended Iran's continuous monarchic system and took power.

No empire or civilization is 100 % indigenous. Neither the Rashidun nor Umayyads were. Nor the Fatimids. However Arabic culture was the dominating feature. Similar with other civilizations and empires.

For instance as I wrote (which is widely well-known and established) pre-Islamic Persia was heavily influenced by neighboring Semites and Semitic culture as a whole on every front. Using that logic (even more so) we can claim that there was never really any Persian culture.

Even Zoroastrianism shows clear traces of pre-Abrahamic Semitic influences not to mention that the supposed founder of the religion is not a historically attested figure whose birth place and date of birth is unknown.

As for influence today, the entire world knows which people became more influenced by the other and what the signs of that are in the year 2017.

@Shogun

Badawi talk. You make no sense. The tribe that you supposedly belong to is a Najdi tribe and historically in alliance with the House of Saud. The House of Saud's main loyalty derives from the people of Najd (your supposed region if you are not a false-flagger) and the North. You need to label criticism towards that front but it is ironic that the criticism comes now at a time where MbS and the much-needed and very positive reforms occur. At a time where the youth is almost unconditionally behind what is going on.

This combined with your nonsense posts and talk of the Georgian (married with an Arab woman) talk of Erdogan being the "leader of the Muslims" just exposes you. Either you are incredibly naive or just a false-flagger.

You are one of those dumb Islamists that does not understand the butthurt that many non-Arabs have against us due to historical reasons and historical facts. It's all due to envy by large although they will not admit it in public. You can go hold hands with such "brothers". I will all day long prefer a sane and non-hostile Christian Spaniard or non-hostile Jew from Yemen or Iraq. Most of us want nothing to do with such people. We need them for nothing. They are obsessed about us not vice versa. When will it be clear for your likes?

If you love Erdogan you should move to Turkey. Go take the first flight from Riyadh to Istanbul and don't return. We do not need idiots among our own ranks who glorify incompetent foreigners who damaged and neglected a large portion of the Arab world more than any Brits ever did. The Westerners had serious faults and continue to have that but the little progress in the Muslim world in the past 100 years is all the work of Westerners and Western technology. All the achievements of Arabs, Iranians or Turks of today are done on the backbone of Western technology and either direct or indirect Western help. Before you likes cannot realize this, you will continue to be a laughing stock. Instead of improving the country you are more worried about pleasing some "Muslim brothers" who dislike you, your country and people while kissing their ***. Just pathetic. Arabs have never done that in history. Leave that to a minority of desperate people. Not the people of Bilad al-Haramin with the most historical legitimacy and influence in the Muslim world historically.

What do you expect as a Islamist? For Erdogan to teach him YOUR own history or Quranic Arabic? And if you are an Arab, why would you worry about people who have only hatred to offer to you and who are not useful for anything at all that we cannot get from our own or others? Why not worry about our own first and foremost?

Are you sane or living in a fantasy world? Who is the one insulting Arabs on PDF? Jews, Christians, Westerners, Chinese, Latin Americans, Africans etc. or our own supposed "Muslim brothers"? Who is insulting us in this thread? Please tell.

As for government/regime, the House of Saud in this year and time, are many times better than most Muslim regimes. Just be thankful that you live in one of the most save, wealthy and stable countries with ongoing and wise reforms, in a country that has 4700 ongoing infrastructural projects while we speak, with top class education system (best-ranked in the Muslim world), free healthcare, opportunity to study abroad at the best universities in the world for free, no taxes, cheap living costs (outside of housing which is being dealt with) while you could be living in Iran and practically every other Middle Eastern state or in 100 times worse off, equally resource-rich countries in Latin America, Africa, Central Asia etc.

You are criticizing the longest ruling regime in the region and most pragmatic that has excellent political and economic ties with all world powers whether in the West or East. Nowadays relations with Russia have reached unprecedented heights. Not to say the Saudi Arabian-Iraqi ties being back on track. Our "only" hostile "enemies" in the region are the Iranian Mullah's (who are openly talking about normalization again of course using propaganda in the process forgetting it was KSA that broke the contact off) and terrorist groups be they Daesh, Houthis or various "Shia" terrorist groups. Or the failed MB sect.

So you join hands with those enemies. Just don't feel pity once you end up in a jail or when you get caught for plotting terrorist attacks.

Obvious false-flagger.

 

[Surenas]

First of all that is 1 Western source. No primary source.

Secondly it mentions that the Arab elite married with the Persian elite and that Persians were present in Harems and that some Persians became scholars at the Abbasid court and toyed the Abbasid line. What is that supposed to show?

That does not change the following facts;

The Abbasids were Hijazi Arabs, Arabic was the language franca and the language of Islam, science and poetry, Arabic culture ruled supreme, Arabic architecture, Arabic scholars and scientists dominated, the heartlands and most developed regions of the Abbasid Caliphate were Arab lands/regions, the capitals were Arab and founded by Arabs.

Using that logic Safavids were even more influenced by Arab culture and civilization since they were Arabized to a large extend and obviously Islamized as well as being totally dependent on Arab Shia scholars. The entire Safavid nobility was dominated by those Shia Arab clerics who were given large plots of land in Iran proper. They were the dominating class in society outside the Safavid ruling family. Which is why it was possible for their descendants 400-500 years after to have so much influence that they ended Iran's continuous monarchic system and took power.

No empire or civilization is 100 % indigenous. Neither the Rashidun nor Umayyads were. Nor the Fatimids. However Arabic culture was the dominating feature. Similar with other civilizations and empires.

For instance as I wrote (which is widely well-known and established) pre-Islamic Persia was heavily influenced by neighboring Semites and Semitic culture as a whole on every front. Using that logic (even more so) we can claim that there was never really any Persian culture.

Even Zoroastrianism shows clear traces of pre-Abrahamic Semitic influences not to mention that the supposed founder of the religion is not a historically attested figure whose birth place and date of birth is unknown.

As for influence today, the entire world knows which people became more influenced by the other and what the signs of that are in the year 2017.

You are just blindly ranting without the backing of which source whatsoever. I already proved that most of your claims are historically inaccurate, which isn't supported by which historian whatsoever. To claim that Persian culture never existed is some high class irony coming from a guy whose ancestors used Persian culture to further advance their imperial interests, as they were unfamiliar with how world empire was being run.

Zoroastrianism didn't show any Semitic ifluence. In fact, most basic fondations of Abrahamic religions were directly taken from Zoroastrianism, first by the Jews after they came in contact with it during the Babylonian captivity.

To conclude with the words of the famous Arab scholar Ibn Khaldun:

"The Arab bedouins dominate only of the plains, because they are, by their savage nature, people of pillage and corruption. They pillage everything that they can take without fighting or taking risks, then flee to their refuge in the wilderness, and do not stand and do battle unless in self-defense. So when they encounter any difficulty or obstacle, they leave it alone and look for easier prey. And tribes well-fortified against them on the slopes of the hills escape their corruption and destruction, because they prefer not to climb hills, nor expend effort, nor take risks.

Thus the founders of grammar were Sibawaih and after him, al-Farisi and Az-Zajjaj. All of them were of non-Arab (Persian) descent... They invented rules of (Arabic) grammar...[61] great jurists were Persians... only the Persians engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus the truth of the statement of the prophet becomes apparent, "If learning were suspended in the highest parts of heaven the Persians would attain it"... The intellectual sciences were also the preserve of the Persians, left alone by the Arabs, who did not cultivate them... as was the case with all crafts... This situation continued in the cities as long as the Persians and Persian countries, Iraq, Khorasan and Transoxiana, retained their sedentary culture."

 

[The SC]

You keep repeating the same soundbites . The Abbasids ruled through predominanly Persian culture. The bureauracy of the empire was Persian, and has been documented by Arab historians at that time. Moreover, the Islamic Golden Age of science was dominated by mostly Persians. The capital of Baghdad was in fact founded by the Iranian empires. First the Parthians.

You just jumped two important facts.. Babylonia and Al-Andalus.. Weren't they mentioned in your History books?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You are just blindly ranting without the backing of which source whatsoever. I already proved that most of your claims are historically inaccurate, which isn't supported by which historian whatsoever. To claim that Persian culture never existed is some high class irony coming from a guy whose ancestors used Persian culture to further advance their imperial interests, as they were unfamiliar with how world empire was being run.

Zoroastrianism didn't show any Semitic ifluence. In fact, most basic fondations of Abrahamic religions were directly taken from Zoroastrianism, first by the Jews after they came in contact with it during the Babylonian captivity.

To conclude with the words of the famous Arab scholar Ibn Khaldun:

"The Arab bedouins dominate only of the plains, because they are, by their savage nature, people of pillage and corruption. They pillage everything that they can take without fighting or taking risks, then flee to their refuge in the wilderness, and do not stand and do battle unless in self-defense. So when they encounter any difficulty or obstacle, they leave it alone and look for easier prey. And tribes well-fortified against them on the slopes of the hills escape their corruption and destruction, because they prefer not to climb hills, nor expend effort, nor take risks.

Thus the founders of grammar were Sibawaih and after him, al-Farisi and Az-Zajjaj. All of them were of non-Arab (Persian) descent... They invented rules of (Arabic) grammar...[61] great jurists were Persians... only the Persians engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus the truth of the statement of the prophet becomes apparent, "If learning were suspended in the highest parts of heaven the Persians would attain it"... The intellectual sciences were also the preserve of the Persians, left alone by the Arabs, who did not cultivate them... as was the case with all crafts... This situation continued in the cities as long as the Persians and Persian countries, Iraq, Khorasan and Transoxiana, retained their sedentary culture."

You did not prove anything other than using a Western source and not a primary source that talks about the Arab elite intermarrying with some Persians and some Persian scholars toying the regime line.

Nothing changes the facts that I wrote so I am forced to repeat myself.

The Abbasids were Hijazi Arabs, Arabic was the language franca and the language of Islam, science and poetry, Arabic culture ruled supreme, Arabic architecture, Arabic scholars and scientists dominated, the heartlands and most developed regions of the Abbasid Caliphate were Arab lands/regions, the capitals were Arab and founded by Arabs.

Using that logic Safavids were even more influenced by Arab culture and civilization since they were Arabized to a large extend and obviously Islamized as well as being totally dependent on Arab Shia scholars. The entire Safavid nobility was dominated by those Shia Arab clerics who were given large plots of land in Iran proper. They were the dominating class in society outside the Safavid ruling family. Which is why it was possible for their descendants 400-500 years after to have so much influence that they ended Iran's continuous monarchic system and took power.

Arab Shia Ulama

After the conquest, Ismail began transforming the religious landscape of Iran by imposing Twelver Shiism on the populace. Since most of the population embraced Sunni Islam and since an educated version of Shiism was scarce in Iran at the time, Ismail imported a new Shia Ulama corps from traditional Shiite centers of the Arabic speaking lands, largely from Jabal Amil (of Southern Lebanon), Mount Lebanon, Syria, Eastern Arabia and Southern Iraq in order to create a state clergy.[37][38][39][40]Ismail offered them land and money in return for loyalty. These scholars taught the doctrine of Twelver Shiism and made it accessible to the population and energetically encouraged conversion to Shiism.[34][41][42][43] To emphasize how scarce Twelver Shiism was then to be found in Iran, a chronicler tells us that only one Shia text could be found in Ismail’s capital Tabriz.[44] Thus it is questionable whether Ismail and his followers could have succeeded in forcing a whole people to adopt a new faith without the support of the Arab Shiite scholars.[36] The rulers of Safavid Persia also invited these foreign Shiite religious scholars to their court in order to provide legitimacy for their own rule over Persia.[45]

Abbas I of Persia, during his reign, also imported more Arab Shia Ulama to Iran, built religious institutions for them, including many Madrasahs (religious schools) and successfully persuaded them to participate in the government, which they had shunned in the past (following the Hidden imam doctrine).[46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam#Arab_Shia_Ulama

No empire or civilization is 100 % indigenous. Neither the Rashidun nor Umayyads were. Nor the Fatimids. However Arabic culture was the dominating feature. Similar with other civilizations and empires.

For instance as I wrote (which is widely well-known and established) pre-Islamic Persia was heavily influenced by neighboring Semites and Semitic culture as a whole on every front. Using that logic (even more so) we can claim that there was never really any Persian culture.

Even Zoroastrianism shows clear traces of pre-Abrahamic Semitic influences not to mention that the supposed founder of the religion is not a historically attested figure whose birth place and date of birth is unknown.

Zoroastrianism is a flawed religion and not really a religion but a collection of myths. The founder is not a historically attested person and his birth nor birth location is known.

Zoroastrianism has nothing to do with indigenous Semitic Abrahamic religions let alone pre-Abrahamic Semitic religions which are the oldest attested religions in the world. We have the names of Semitic Gods from the time of Sargon of Akkad almost 2500 years before the appearance of Persians and Iranian peoples.

The world is dominated by Abrahamic Semitic religions and not Iranian religions.

Ibn Khaldun is talking about nomadic populations (Berbers mainly) of Northern Africa. His comment has nothing to do with historical realities. It was nomadic peoples turning into settled peoples (from the first Semitic peoples) to the first Iranian peoples that created and pushed for civilization. Without their mobility their would be no civilization as there would be no migration.

Ib Khaldun took the regime line of the existing Arab regimes that opposed Bedouin mass-migration (to serve as foot soldiers and to consolidate power) to the Maghreb during that period. Mass-migrations that supposedly destroyed everything in their way but this has been proven to have no ground in real history or real historical findings.

Genetically the Bedouins of the Arab world are those that are most closely related to the earliest Neolithic farmers of the Arab world. The people that invented farming, built the first cities in the world and numerous other achievements way before (millennia) almost everyone else.

Read about the natufian civilization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture

A 2016 project (DNA) showed that Near Eastern Arabs (Saudi Arabians clustering the most) showed the most genetic affinity to Natufian remains.

Here are the DNA results from last year (2016)

https://plot.ly/~PortalAntropologiczny9cfa/1.embed?share_key=za9Lb3y1UX6nJRG9v4EXOL

Here is the entire report:

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/16/059311.full.pdf

Anyway Arabs and our ancestors were the first settled people in the world. Bedouins were nomadic or semi-nomadic peoples just like the millions of Iranian nomads until not long ago.

In fact Arabia is the second longest inhabited place on earth by humans after Horn of Africa and East Africa. Not long ago 9000 year old rock art found in KSA displayed hunters using domesticated dogs on lashes and horse riders.

https://www.sciencealert.com/1000-y...abia-earliest-depiction-domestic-dogs-hunting

Which fits into the findings found in Southern Najd from the Al-Magar civilization.

http://paleolithic-neolithic.com/overview/al-magar/

http://archive.aramcoworld.com/issue/201203/discovery.at.al-magar.htm

In fact 1000 years ago Arabs coined the term "Kurd" which means nomad to describe some Iranian speaking peoples living near the Zagros mountains. Including even fellow Arabs. That is why Kurds are not a heterogenous people culturally nor genetically. Although they hate to admit this.

 

[Surenas]

You did not prove anything other than using a Western source and not a primary source that talks about the Arab elite intermarrying with some Persians and some Persian scholars toying the regime line.

Nothing changes the facts that I wrote so I am forced to repeat myself.

You repeating yourself has become a well-known occurrence on this forum. You just keep writing long rants about the imaginary civilized history of your people, while nobody takes you serious.

I must say, I have great pity for you, as I'm familiar with your history on this forum, and others, like Skyscrapercity. I clearly remember when you were ashamed of your Arab background so you claimed Spanish ancestry. It must cost you a great amount of energy to try to convince the whole world of the civilization of the Arabs at a time when Arabs have become synonymous for backwardness.

 

[TurkeyForever]

It must cost you a great amount of energy to try to convince the whole world of the civilization of the Arabs at a time when Arabs have become synonymous for backwardness.

Couldn't agree more, I think deep inside these arabs have some serious insecurity issues.

Which isn't surprising given that the whole world dislikes arabs.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You repeating yourself has become a well-known occurrence on this forum. You just keep writing long rants about the imaginary civilized history of your people, while nobody takes you serious.

I must say, I have great pity for you, as I'm familiar with your history on this forum, and others, like Skyscrapercity. I clearly remember when you were ashamed of your Arab background so you claimed Spanish ancestry. It must cost you a great amount of energy to try to convince the whole world of the civilization of the Arabs at a time when Arabs have become synonymous for backwardness.

Well, people (mostly non-Arabs) are thanking my detailed posts as usual and the undeniable historical facts that they contain.

You are writing nonsense. I have never once in my life been ashamed of being an Arab (LOL) and the fact that my family including extended family is partially mixed, has no relation to this. On the contrary I have always been tremendously vocal in the greatness of the Arab world and its past. That will never change because changing that would be to go against history itself.

On the other hand you are ashamed of being a Kurd. You are nowhere to be seen when the ongoing systematic oppression of Kurds occurs in the region. You are silent when your regime targets Kurds systematically while Iranian Kurds abroad are some of the most vocal anti-Mullah's out there. That is pathetic.

I don't need to convince anyone of anything. The entire world already knows that the Arab world is the cradle of civilization home to the oldest civilizations and most influential ones of their time (and arguably of all-time) funded by our glorious Semitic ancestors, that the Arab world is home to the oldest cities in the world, the most famous ancient artifacts and heritage sites (and most numerous by far in the region), that Arabic culture, language, civilization, architecture etc. is second to none in the Muslim world and most influential etc. That the Arab world (Arabia in particular) is the second oldest inhabited area of the world with a pre-history that is only rivaled by East Africa, that the Arab world has enormous unfulfilled potential etc.

Every sane and informed person already knows about those facts above. Some Iranian Kurd whose parents escaped to the Netherlands (now praising Mullah's from abroad while most locals detest the incompetent Mullah's) won't change those facts.

Oh, did I mention that pre-Islamic Iranian culture is by large a copy of our ancient Semitic civilizations and culture and that Arabs destroyed your empire forever and are the the people that have influenced you the most as well during the Islamic age? A fitting example of this is your current regime and everything that the "Islamic Republic of Iran" stands for. At least the Azeri/Caucasian Pahlavi's tried to impose some fake history rewriting.

Well, I think I already did but this is what hurts your likes tremendously. I know this because I have seen it being discussed on Iranian forums.

BTW this is all the past. This includes the incompetent Ottoman copycats who belong in the dustbin of history which this thread is about. Nothing will ever get them back. Same with Iranian equivalents. Meanwhile the Arab world is here for all to see and here to stay. Living and breathing. Others are limited to claiming what is not theirs but that of foreigners in return. A fitting status quo indeed.

 

[Shogun]

@Shogun

Badawi talk. You make no sense. The tribe that you supposedly belong to is a Najdi tribe and historically in alliance with the House of Saud. The House of Saud's main loyalty derives from the people of Najd (your supposed region if you are not a false-flagger) and the North. You need to label criticism towards that front but it is ironic that the criticism comes now at a time where MbS and the much-needed and very positive reforms occur. At a time where the youth is almost unconditionally behind what is going on.

This combined with your nonsense posts and talk of the Georgian (married with an Arab woman) talk of Erdogan being the "leader of the Muslims" just exposes you. Either you are incredibly naive or just a false-flagger.

You are one of those dumb Islamists that does not understand the butthurt that many non-Arabs have against us due to historical reasons and historical facts. It's all due to envy by large although they will not admit it in public. You can go hold hands with such "brothers". I will all day long prefer a sane and non-hostile Christian Spaniard or non-hostile Jew from Yemen or Iraq. Most of us want nothing to do with such people. We need them for nothing. They are obsessed about us not vice versa. When will it be clear for your likes?

If you love Erdogan you should move to Turkey. Go take the first flight from Riyadh to Istanbul and don't return. We do not need idiots among our own ranks who glorify incompetent foreigners who damaged and neglected a large portion of the Arab world more than any Brits ever did.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. You are clearly delusional about the history of the area and what happened, what you're saying is rewritten history according to the victor, I will not argue with you about the history of the peoples of Najd, as your information is incorrect and it would be a long and arduous task to explain. Go read the history of Ibn Ghanam.

I find it amusing that these "much needed reforms" are 400 million dollar yachts and opening cinemas. As well as selectively purging corrupt officials while placing more corrupt and inept ones. And you speak of naivety!! Ironic indeed.

Yes I realized while reading your responses that you would rather ally with a Christian or a Jew than a Muslim. This shows your way of thinking and how to parallels that of the Arab monarchies and presidents. Still most Saudis and I daresay Arabs do not think as you or these leaders think. I would stake my life on it.

I do admire Erdogan and respect him, but I'm not going anywhere, these have been our lands for over three thousand years. Before bin Saud and your likes and after them godwilling.


As for your "badwai talk" I can't help but laugh. I'm not bedouin, but your whole rant is about racial superiority and purity of Arabs. Well, you can spout your racist bullshit at non-Arabs, but you can't spout it at me.

As for how the Turks ruined Arabia more than the Brits that is false, the US/UK are still wreaking havoc as we speak. Just take a good look at the surrounding areas.

I won't reply anymore. This is not why I joined this forum.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Wrong. You are clearly delusional about the history of the area and what happened, what you're saying is rewritten history according to the victor, I will not argue with you about the history of the peoples of Najd, as your information is incorrect and it would be a long and arduous task to explain. Go read the history of Ibn Ghanam.

I find it amusing that these "much needed reforms" are 400 million dollar yachts and opening cinemas. As well as selectively purging corrupt officials while placing more corrupt and inept ones. And you speak of naivety!! Ironic indeed.

Yes I realized while reading your responses that you would rather ally with a Christian or a Jew than a Muslim. This shows your way of thinking and how to parallels that of the Arab monarchies and presidents. Still most Saudis and I daresay Arabs do not think as you or these leaders think. I would stake my life on it.

I do admire Erdogan and respect him, but I'm not going anywhere, these have been our lands for over three thousand years. Before bin Saud and your likes and after them godwilling.


As for your "badwai talk" I can't help but laugh. I'm not bedouin, but your whole rant is about racial superiority and purity of Arabs. Well, you can spout your racist bullshit at non-Arabs, but you can't spout it at me.

As for how the Turks ruined Arabia more than the Brits that is false, the US/UK are still wreaking havoc as we speak. Just take a good look at the surrounding areas.

I won't reply anymore. This is not why I joined this forum.

Another troll post from the false-flagger.

Najd was and is the bulwark of the House of Saud and the tribal alliances that are present to this day by large although in a much different capacity. There is no denying this.

Oiling the wheels on a road to success

Pakinam Amer
Nature 532,
Published online
27 April 2016

With the benefit of a sustainable plan and the funds to back it, Saudi Arabia is aiming high.
Saudi Arabia's scientific development may be in its infancy, but the oil-rich Kingdom is making strides in terms of research investment and publication — with a clear ambition to one day join those in the highest echelons.

KAUST students embark on a new school year with a commencement ceremony. The relatively new university has quickly made an impact on the Nature Index.

In 2012, Saudi Arabia had a weighted fractional count (WFC) of 52.84 in the index, sitting behind Turkey, Iran, Mexico, Chile and South Africa. In four years it rose 86.8% to reach a WFC of 98.67, leapfrogging all these countries to compete with Chile and Argentina globally. Saudi Arabia ranks at number 31 in the world in terms of WFC — up from 39 in 2012.

The country has risen even higher in specific subject areas. In chemistry, for example, it has surpassed countries with a strong scientific impact like Finland and Ireland, with its WFC rising to 66.54, achieving almost a three-fold increase from its position in 2012.

Institutionally, the country's leading science hub King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST) made an impressive leap in its WFC between 2012 and 2015, carving a place for itself to compete with American and European research powerhouses.

In just four years, its WFC has risen to become higher than those of prestigious institutions including the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL), the University of Georgia, United States, and Dresden University of Technology, Germany, to name a few. The output of all of these institutions dwarfed KAUST's in 2012, but KAUST's impressive trajectory since then has seen its WFC shoot to 72 in 2015, overtaking these heavy-hitters.

The country's science development ambitions have been backed by action. Since 2008, the country has embarked on a multi-tiered strategy that will see the Kingdom overhaul its science infrastructure, build high-spec labs, secure grants for research in priority areas in applied science, and link science to industries that drive the economy.

The strategy, broken into four stages to be implemented by 2030, aims to eventually “see Saudi Arabia become a leader in Asia and give it an economic power based on science,” says Abdulaziz Al-Swailem, vice president of scientific research support at King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST).

The Saudi Human Genome Project will sequence 100,000 human genomes to conduct biomedical research in the Saudi population.

Saudi Arabia's march to the top
Saudi Arabia's efforts to boost its scientific research have been paying off, with its output in the Nature Index (WFC) rising steadily over the years. The two graphs below highlight Saudi Arabia's rise compared to other nations, both overall and for chemistry.

Overall output
In 2012 Saudi Arabia's overall output in the index was below all the countries shown, but continuous efforts have seen the Kingdom's WFC rise to overtake them all in 2015.



Chemistry
More marked than its overall rise, Saudi Arabia has made great strides in chemistry. After accelerated growth, which saw the Kingdom's chemistry WFC triple since 2012, it has outshone many larger players in the field in 2015.



The Kingdom's science investments focus on applied research that feeds directly into the country's industrial interests, particularly the oil and energy sector. But even in its strong subjects, chemistry and the physical sciences, Saudi Arabia's WFC remains modest compared to big players in Asia like China, Japan and South Korea.

To truly swim comfortably with these bigger fish, Saudi Arabia may benefit from looking at successful emerging economies in Asia.

One inspiration could be India. In addition to multi-disciplinary scientific and technical advancements that have improved its output in the index from 736.5 to 901.4 in the past four years, the subcontinental giant has joined the exclusive club of countries that have launched successful space missions.

Like Saudi Arabia, India's leading research institutes focus on chemistry, and their total output currently outstrips their Saudi Arabian counterparts by almost a factor of seven (the latter surpassing 472 in 2015, while the former is 66.5).

India's prowess in chemistry is something that Saudi Arabia can aspire to, considering that working conditions for researchers in the Kingdom are more conducive.

India's science ecosystem is far from perfect. Research funding cannot keep up with inflation and a general slowdown in the country's economy. In addition, commentators from the research community say the funding processes are lengthy, bureaucratic, and provide little feedback when applications for grants are turned down. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia's healthy stream of oil revenue provides assured funding for the country's state-of-the-art research facilities.

While India has slightly increased spending and dedicated US$1.19 billion for the next fiscal year (2016–2017) for science, it has around 700 universities and 200,000 full-time researchers drawing on the same funding pot. By contrast, Saudi Arabia has pledged an education and training budget of US$50.9 billion for next year, which includes higher education and scientific research. With a total population of just 30 million, it has a much lower number of full-time researchers competing for the available resources.

Another impressive trajectory that Saudi Arabia might look to emulate is that of Singapore, which has a smaller population as well and has managed to climb high in the index. Like the Kingdom, Singapore also has a focus on chemistry research, and it has put together a similar top-down national science strategy for research institutes across the country. Both countries have strong collaborations with top universities around the world and are welcoming of foreign researchers in their efforts to drive innovation.

Mansour Alghamdi, director of the general directorate of scientific awareness and publishing at KACST, is optimistic that Saudi Arabia can bridge the large gap that currently exists in the volume of scientific output between it and such countries as India and Singapore.

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a clear plan to do so and it has the resources,” he says.

Future growth
An internationally rising star
This graph shows KAUST's rise compared to a selection of other institutions*.
*Institutions shown are those that were furthest above KAUST in 2012, have experienced overall growth in WFC by 2015 and have been overtaken by KAUST in 2015. For clarity, only 2012 and 2015 data points are shown.

In 2012, Saudi's ranking in research output, with a WFC of 52.8, meant it was comparable with countries like South Africa, Turkey and Iran, all hovering around the 60–70 mark. Its WFC stood way below countries like Mexico, Hungary, Chile, Greece and Argentina.

Saudi Arabian researchers benefit from cutting-edge labs and generous funding that has boosted the country's R&D.

Four years later, the country's research outlook is very different and it is surpassing countries like Argentina, Mexico and Hungary in the index, and levelling the playing field with Chile. Chemistry research led the country's rapid rise to surpass these countries, but its life sciences and physical sciences WFCs of 8.5 and 31.5 still lag behind.

However, the Kingdom's AC has been steadily growing in these two fields over the past four years, hinting at the ever-increasing significance of international collaborations. It seems that Saudi Arabian researchers are casting their nets ever wider and are participating in publishing more articles, to the detriment of the WFC accredited for these articles.

Though international collaboration has proved fruitful, Saudi Arabia must keep a focus on nurturing home-grown talent, says Nasser Al-Aqeeli, dean of research at King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals (KFUPM), based in Dhahran's 'techno valley' in the eastern region of the Kingdom. In the next five years, he says, the country will focus on a programme for national capacity building.

A good first step was the Saudi government's decision to create a large scholarship programme in 2005, arguably the largest in the world, which has seen more than 200,000 young Saudi Arabians studying abroad. This makes Saudi Arabian students in the United States the fourth largest bloc of expatriate students, following those of China, India and South Korea. The government hopes these students will come back and drive a scientific culture in the country.
Saudi Arabia is also looking to increase its applied research focus, which is an integral part of the current phase of its national science strategy, while securing good funding for basic research as well. Al-Aqeeli says that Saudi's journey involves what he termed a “self-correcting mechanism” where the country is having a slow start in high-impact research, but a more sustainable one. An eventual future move towards basic research might help Saudi Arabia's research capacity to mature.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v532/n7600_supp_ni/full/532S13a.html


Global Nature Magazine; Saudi Arabia ranks 28th worldwide in high quality scientific publishing

KSA is also located 31st worldwide in the Nature Index of 2016. The 2017 tables are based on Nature Index data from 1 January 2016 to 31 December 2016.

https://www.natureindex.com/annual-tables/2017/country/all

Best performing Muslim nation.

Related article (in the highly respected Nature) published 1.5 years ago;

https://www.nature.com/articles/532S13a

Saudi Arabian universities (with the highest ranks overall of any other regional country):

http://www.shanghairanking.com/World-University-Rankings-2017/Saudi-Arabia.html

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1180431/saudi-arabia


100% literacy, the best-ranked universities in the region, 4700 ongoing infrastructural projects worth almost 1 trillion USD (!), world class infrastructure by large, free healthcare, no taxation, largest student exchange program in the world, cheap costs of living with the exception of housing (a topic that is being dealt with as I wrote earlier) can be summed up with MbS SUPPOSEDLY buying an expensive yacht and cinemas reopening again after 35 years (rightly so and to the great fury of dying dinosaurs like you). What a joke.

As for those arrested, their corruption is well-established and well-known by every knowledgeable person. There is plenty of evidence about their incompetence. No need to mention anything more than the Jeddah floods or Mutaib's corruption involving weapons purchases for the National Guard. Who are you kidding?

As for corruption, there is tremendous corruption everywhere in the region but KSA is one of the better ranked countries according to international statistics that monitor corruption. Pathetic to criticize something that is supported by, what, 90% of locals?

Twisting my words again? I said that I prefer a non-hostile Christian or Jew than a supposed "Muslim brother" who hates KSA, the people and 500 million Arabs and who is doing harm against us and our legitimate interests.

More false-flagging confirmed.

Al-Saud is more aligned to Najdis than any Hijazi. But obviously you are a false-flagger so I might as well discuss this with some Indian, Pakistan, Afghan, Bangladeshi or whatever Muslim false-flagger you are.

To further expose you (after those Twitter comments) kindly translate what is being said in this video below (2 minutes long);

I have picked this video especially as I believe that it fits your likes and their worldview perfectly.

Without the West (Western technology and knowledge) people in this region and the entire Muslim world would be living like 200 years ago or 150 years ago at best. The Brits did more to advance this region (although it was not their intentions) than 390 years of failed Ottoman presence in parts of the Arab world. Can you name a single significant thing that they did or left as a heritage? Something useful. Not talking about renovating already existing mosques built by previous Arab Caliphates. The only thing I can think of was the planned Hijazi railway which was built by German architects, using German technology and employing impoverished local Arabs. And that was only built to better control Sham and Hijaz which was by large a self-governing region although very neglected by large.

Past Arab Caliphates (our own and your own supposedly) that ruled the Caliphate and much of the Muslim world for 1000 years, where the height of Islamic civilization and here you are defending a foreign and inferior (in terms of performance and what they did) regime. Pathetic is the word and just further confirms that you are a a false-flagger. Back then the West learned from us for centuries and not the other way around. Can braindead Islamists like you understand this simple fact? BTW did you know that not a single Ottoman "Caliph" (they first started to call themselves Caliphs late into their regime after using another Arabic title - Sultan) performed Hajj even once? Simply put there is no "legacy" to uphold let alone destroy. The only people that are yet to realize this truth is a minority of braindead Islamists who would kiss the feet of the murderer of their mother as long as he was a "fellow" Muslim. Then it would be ok. But if a Christian or Jew looks wrongly at him he is already fantasizing about harming him. Filth.

Look, I do not have anything against the average Turk who has no problem with Arabs but I am not going to tolerate history being rewritten by Neo-Ottomanists or anti-Arab Turks. Never will any Arab accept that. Makkah and Madinah are under Arabian (Hijazi) rule like has been the case for 4500 years. Nobody is going to change that fact. If any Arab is caught serving a foreign agenda, they will be dealt with as they have always been dealt with eventually. You will be no exception. I am not kidding here but I would probably beat some sense into you due to some of your comments in this thread if you were an genuine Saudi Arabian and that would be done by most people.

It's thanks to the West that you can pretend to be an Saudi Arabian and Arab on internet forums like PDF.

Get lost, false-flagger.

 

[The SC]

Couldn't agree more, I think deep inside these arabs have some serious insecurity issues.

Which isn't surprising given that the whole world dislikes arabs.

I think you do not know the Arabs..nor their history.. all of your posts show your shortcomings projected on Arabs.. I have traveled the world and never seen any hatred of the Arabs.. they are all over the world.. either established or as students.. but the truth is that I have seen a lot of hatred for the Turks.. mostly in Europe.. and I did not like it.. you can obviously deny it.. but this is first hand knowledge.. this is why I understand that you are psychologically projecting your feelings on others..it also shows you lack of self-confidence translated in your dying quest for some sense of importance..You can not deny the Arab civilisation or the fact that they had spread Islam's civilisation to all corners of earth.. what ever you try to do.. it will be seen as a lie and will demean you.. not the Arabs..

 

[TurkeyForever]

I think you do not know the Arabs..nor their history.. all of your posts show your shortcomings projected on Arabs.. I have traveled the world and never seen any hatred of the Arabs.. they are all over the world.. either established or as students.. but the truth is that I have seen a lot of hatred for the Turks.. mostly in Europe.. and I did not like it.. you can obviously deny it.. but this is first hand knowledge.. this is why I understand that you are psychologically projecting your feelings on others..it also shows you lack of self-confidence translated in your dying quest for some sense of importance..You can not deny the Arab civilisation or the fact that they had spread Islam's civilisation to all corners of earth.. what ever you try to do that.. will be seen as lie and will demean you.. not the Arabs..

I have seen you on every arab thread trying to make arabs look good, you are an arab it's too obvious.

Just remember no matter what you do the world will still keep hating arabs.

My self-confidence?

At least I'm not a desert arab like yourself.

Another troll post from the false-flagger.

Najd was and is the bulwark of the House of Saud and the tribal alliances that are present to this day by large although in a much different capacity. There is no denying this.

Oiling the wheels on a road to success

Pakinam Amer
Nature 532,
Published online
27 April 2016

With the benefit of a sustainable plan and the funds to back it, Saudi Arabia is aiming high.
Saudi Arabia's scientific development may be in its infancy, but the oil-rich Kingdom is making strides in terms of research investment and publication — with a clear ambition to one day join those in the highest echelons.

KAUST students embark on a new school year with a commencement ceremony. The relatively new university has quickly made an impact on the Nature Index.

In 2012, Saudi Arabia had a weighted fractional count (WFC) of 52.84 in the index, sitting behind Turkey, Iran, Mexico, Chile and South Africa. In four years it rose 86.8% to reach a WFC of 98.67, leapfrogging all these countries to compete with Chile and Argentina globally. Saudi Arabia ranks at number 31 in the world in terms of WFC — up from 39 in 2012.

The country has risen even higher in specific subject areas. In chemistry, for example, it has surpassed countries with a strong scientific impact like Finland and Ireland, with its WFC rising to 66.54, achieving almost a three-fold increase from its position in 2012.

Institutionally, the country's leading science hub King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST) made an impressive leap in its WFC between 2012 and 2015, carving a place for itself to compete with American and European research powerhouses.

In just four years, its WFC has risen to become higher than those of prestigious institutions including the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL), the University of Georgia, United States, and Dresden University of Technology, Germany, to name a few. The output of all of these institutions dwarfed KAUST's in 2012, but KAUST's impressive trajectory since then has seen its WFC shoot to 72 in 2015, overtaking these heavy-hitters.

The country's science development ambitions have been backed by action. Since 2008, the country has embarked on a multi-tiered strategy that will see the Kingdom overhaul its science infrastructure, build high-spec labs, secure grants for research in priority areas in applied science, and link science to industries that drive the economy.

The strategy, broken into four stages to be implemented by 2030, aims to eventually “see Saudi Arabia become a leader in Asia and give it an economic power based on science,” says Abdulaziz Al-Swailem, vice president of scientific research support at King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST).

The Saudi Human Genome Project will sequence 100,000 human genomes to conduct biomedical research in the Saudi population.

Saudi Arabia's march to the top
Saudi Arabia's efforts to boost its scientific research have been paying off, with its output in the Nature Index (WFC) rising steadily over the years. The two graphs below highlight Saudi Arabia's rise compared to other nations, both overall and for chemistry.

Overall output
In 2012 Saudi Arabia's overall output in the index was below all the countries shown, but continuous efforts have seen the Kingdom's WFC rise to overtake them all in 2015.



Chemistry
More marked than its overall rise, Saudi Arabia has made great strides in chemistry. After accelerated growth, which saw the Kingdom's chemistry WFC triple since 2012, it has outshone many larger players in the field in 2015.



The Kingdom's science investments focus on applied research that feeds directly into the country's industrial interests, particularly the oil and energy sector. But even in its strong subjects, chemistry and the physical sciences, Saudi Arabia's WFC remains modest compared to big players in Asia like China, Japan and South Korea.

To truly swim comfortably with these bigger fish, Saudi Arabia may benefit from looking at successful emerging economies in Asia.

One inspiration could be India. In addition to multi-disciplinary scientific and technical advancements that have improved its output in the index from 736.5 to 901.4 in the past four years, the subcontinental giant has joined the exclusive club of countries that have launched successful space missions.

Like Saudi Arabia, India's leading research institutes focus on chemistry, and their total output currently outstrips their Saudi Arabian counterparts by almost a factor of seven (the latter surpassing 472 in 2015, while the former is 66.5).

India's prowess in chemistry is something that Saudi Arabia can aspire to, considering that working conditions for researchers in the Kingdom are more conducive.

India's science ecosystem is far from perfect. Research funding cannot keep up with inflation and a general slowdown in the country's economy. In addition, commentators from the research community say the funding processes are lengthy, bureaucratic, and provide little feedback when applications for grants are turned down. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia's healthy stream of oil revenue provides assured funding for the country's state-of-the-art research facilities.

While India has slightly increased spending and dedicated US$1.19 billion for the next fiscal year (2016–2017) for science, it has around 700 universities and 200,000 full-time researchers drawing on the same funding pot. By contrast, Saudi Arabia has pledged an education and training budget of US$50.9 billion for next year, which includes higher education and scientific research. With a total population of just 30 million, it has a much lower number of full-time researchers competing for the available resources.

Another impressive trajectory that Saudi Arabia might look to emulate is that of Singapore, which has a smaller population as well and has managed to climb high in the index. Like the Kingdom, Singapore also has a focus on chemistry research, and it has put together a similar top-down national science strategy for research institutes across the country. Both countries have strong collaborations with top universities around the world and are welcoming of foreign researchers in their efforts to drive innovation.

Mansour Alghamdi, director of the general directorate of scientific awareness and publishing at KACST, is optimistic that Saudi Arabia can bridge the large gap that currently exists in the volume of scientific output between it and such countries as India and Singapore.

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a clear plan to do so and it has the resources,” he says.

Future growth
An internationally rising star
This graph shows KAUST's rise compared to a selection of other institutions*.
*Institutions shown are those that were furthest above KAUST in 2012, have experienced overall growth in WFC by 2015 and have been overtaken by KAUST in 2015. For clarity, only 2012 and 2015 data points are shown.

In 2012, Saudi's ranking in research output, with a WFC of 52.8, meant it was comparable with countries like South Africa, Turkey and Iran, all hovering around the 60–70 mark. Its WFC stood way below countries like Mexico, Hungary, Chile, Greece and Argentina.

Saudi Arabian researchers benefit from cutting-edge labs and generous funding that has boosted the country's R&D.

Four years later, the country's research outlook is very different and it is surpassing countries like Argentina, Mexico and Hungary in the index, and levelling the playing field with Chile. Chemistry research led the country's rapid rise to surpass these countries, but its life sciences and physical sciences WFCs of 8.5 and 31.5 still lag behind.

However, the Kingdom's AC has been steadily growing in these two fields over the past four years, hinting at the ever-increasing significance of international collaborations. It seems that Saudi Arabian researchers are casting their nets ever wider and are participating in publishing more articles, to the detriment of the WFC accredited for these articles.

Though international collaboration has proved fruitful, Saudi Arabia must keep a focus on nurturing home-grown talent, says Nasser Al-Aqeeli, dean of research at King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals (KFUPM), based in Dhahran's 'techno valley' in the eastern region of the Kingdom. In the next five years, he says, the country will focus on a programme for national capacity building.

A good first step was the Saudi government's decision to create a large scholarship programme in 2005, arguably the largest in the world, which has seen more than 200,000 young Saudi Arabians studying abroad. This makes Saudi Arabian students in the United States the fourth largest bloc of expatriate students, following those of China, India and South Korea. The government hopes these students will come back and drive a scientific culture in the country.
Saudi Arabia is also looking to increase its applied research focus, which is an integral part of the current phase of its national science strategy, while securing good funding for basic research as well. Al-Aqeeli says that Saudi's journey involves what he termed a “self-correcting mechanism” where the country is having a slow start in high-impact research, but a more sustainable one. An eventual future move towards basic research might help Saudi Arabia's research capacity to mature.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v532/n7600_supp_ni/full/532S13a.html


Global Nature Magazine; Saudi Arabia ranks 28th worldwide in high quality scientific publishing

KSA is also located 31st worldwide in the Nature Index of 2016. The 2017 tables are based on Nature Index data from 1 January 2016 to 31 December 2016.

https://www.natureindex.com/annual-tables/2017/country/all

Best performing Muslim nation.

Related article (in the highly respected Nature) published 1.5 years ago;

https://www.nature.com/articles/532S13a

Saudi Arabian universities (with the highest ranks overall of any other regional country):

http://www.shanghairanking.com/World-University-Rankings-2017/Saudi-Arabia.html

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1180431/saudi-arabia


100% literacy, the best-ranked universities in the region, 4700 ongoing infrastructural projects worth almost 1 trillion USD (!), world class infrastructure by large, free healthcare, no taxation, largest student exchange program in the world, cheap costs of living with the exception of housing (a topic that is being dealt with as I wrote earlier) can be summed up with MbS SUPPOSEDLY buying an expensive yacht and cinemas reopening again after 35 years (rightly so and to the great fury of dying dinosaurs like you). What a joke.

As for those arrested, their corruption is well-established and well-known by every knowledgeable person. There is plenty of evidence about their incompetence. No need to mention anything more than the Jeddah floods or Mutaib's corruption involving weapons purchases for the National Guard. Who are you kidding?

As for corruption, there is tremendous corruption everywhere in the region but KSA is one of the better ranked countries according to international statistics that monitor corruption. Pathetic to criticize something that is supported by, what, 90% of locals?

Twisting my words again? I said that I prefer a non-hostile Christian or Jew than a supposed "Muslim brother" who hates KSA, the people and 500 million Arabs and who is doing harm against us and our legitimate interests.

More false-flagging confirmed.

Al-Saud is more aligned to Najdis than any Hijazi. But obviously you are a false-flagger so I might as well discuss this with some Indian, Pakistan, Afghan, Bangladeshi or whatever Muslim false-flagger you are.

To further expose you (after those Twitter comments) kindly translate what is being said in this video below (2 minutes long);

I have picked this video especially as I believe that it fits your likes and their worldview perfectly.

Without the West (Western technology and knowledge) people in this region and the entire Muslim world would be living like 200 years ago or 150 years ago at best. The Brits did more to advance this region (although it was not their intentions) than 390 years of failed Ottoman presence in parts of the Arab world. Can you name a single significant thing that they did or left as a heritage? Something useful. Not talking about renovating already existing mosques built by previous Arab Caliphates. The only thing I can think of was the planned Hijazi railway which was built by German architects, using German technology and employing impoverished local Arabs. And that was only built to better control Sham and Hijaz which was by large a self-governing region although very neglected by large.

Past Arab Caliphates (our own and your own supposedly) that ruled the Caliphate and much of the Muslim world for 1000 years, where the height of Islamic civilization and here you are defending a foreign and inferior (in terms of performance and what they did) regime. Pathetic is the word and just further confirms that you are a a false-flagger. Back then the West learned from us for centuries and not the other way around. Can braindead Islamists like you understand this simple fact? BTW did you know that not a single Ottoman "Caliph" (they first started to call themselves Caliphs late into their regime after using another Arabic title - Sultan) performed Hajj even once? Simply put there is no "legacy" to uphold let alone destroy. The only people that are yet to realize this truth is a minority of braindead Islamists who would kiss the feet of the murderer of their mother as long as he was a "fellow" Muslim. Then it would be ok. But if a Christian or Jew looks wrongly at him he is already fantasizing about harming him. Filth.

Look, I do not have anything against the average Turk who has no problem with Arabs but I am not going to tolerate history being rewritten by Neo-Ottomanists or anti-Arab Turks. Never will any Arab accept that. Makkah and Madinah are under Arabian (Hijazi) rule like has been the case for 4500 years. Nobody is going to change that fact. If any Arab is caught serving a foreign agenda, they will be dealt with as they have always been dealt with eventually. You will be no exception. I am not kidding here but I would probably beat some sense into you due to some of your comments in this thread if you were an genuine Saudi Arabian and that would be done by most people.

It's thanks to the West that you can pretend to be an Saudi Arabian and Arab on internet forums like PDF.

Get lost, false-flagger.

Ok ok we get it you arabs are the best at everything and you are whiter than scandinavians.

The more you try to make arabs look good the more pathetic you become.

https://www.vosizneias.com/49993/20...google-slammed-for-suggesting-‘smelly-arabs’/

 

[Falcon29]

Weird and sad discussion. That's what we should expect considering many people still have strong attachment to nationalism and ethnic history that supersedes Islam. There is clearly a misunderstanding of what Islam is. Seems like Muslims today just view it as product of culture and not a message from God to follow him. Thus you get something like this discussion where everyone claiming they are protecting Islam and helping Muslims and what not, all in name of their country. How about you all take a step back and 'protect Islam/support Muslims' through perspective of a community of global peoples that share same values. Rather than compete which nationality should lead Muslims.

 

[The SC]

I have seen you on every arab thread trying to make arabs look good, you are an arab it's too obvious.

Just remember no matter what you do the world will still keep hating arabs.

My self-confidence?

At least I'm not a desert arab like yourself.



Ok ok we get it you arabs are the best at everything and you are whiter than scandinavians.

The more you try to make arabs look good the more pathetic you become.

Wow Bravo! you gathered all your brain neurons to figure out I was an Arab..
BTW Our prophet

was a desert man..

Be careful when insulting people who live and die for this