Turkey slams UAE foreign minister for tarnishing Ottoman legacy

[Shogun]

Yeah everyone but arabs themselves don't like arabs



Bro' I'm sure they would attempt to offer women... BUT... Who would want this? =

It's like a walking ad for McDonalds



I agree 200% traitors will be traitors and arabs will be arabs.

You're just like the Arab who I mentioned before. What is this rampant slander? This puts you in a bad light my friend.

 

[TurkeyForever]

Has absolutely nothing to do with "being civilized" or not. As I wrote the Chinese eat some of the most strange cuisine on the planet yet their IQ is vastly superior to that of Turks and they are also a much more advanced society. Today as well as historically. We can mention the French as well.

Keep eating with your hands and take your syrian arab brothers we don't want arabs in Turkey.

You're just like the Arab who I mentioned before. What is this rampant slander? This puts you in a bad light my friend.

I am not your friend, and an arab is ALWAYS in a bad light as you put it.

Name 1 nation that is a non-arab that actually likes arabs.

Name 1 single nation that likes arabs!!!

What?

What was that?

You can't?

Are you crying now?

 

[Shogun]

Keep eating with your hands and take your syrian arab brothers we don't want arabs in Turkey.



I am not your friend, and an arab is ALWAYS in a bad light as you put it.

Name 1 nation that is a non-arab that actually likes arabs.

Name 1 single nation that likes arabs!!!

What?

What was that?

You can't?

Are you crying now?

Good thing you are not president Erdogan.

 

[TurkeyForever]

I only use my hands during specific dishes and settings. It's all about the context. However rice dishes containing chicken etc. are perfect for using your hands. Many times it is easier. There is something about eating certain foods with your hands that makes it tastier.

Bedouins and jungles? A world apart although Bedouins were nomadic pastoralists (the Bedouins were proven to cluster most closely genetically with the world's earliest Neolithic communities in the Arab world - Natufian civilization - take a look at that) who mostly were about herding animals, agriculture, fishing (if living near a coast, river or lake), trade, paid guides or the life of a soldier (warrior). Half of the Bedouins were settled for half of the year which is often forgotten from Morocco to Oman. It's a fascinating and complex culture. Probably more complex than all other nomadic/semi-nomadic populations out there in the world.

Speaking about the Marsh Arabs;

Genetically the Marsh Arabs are some of the most "pure" Semites and Middle Easterners out there.

However I have only seen Saudi Arabians score 100% Middle East on DNA tests so far.

@Shogun

I suggest that you stop using the beautiful Saudi Arabian flag as a false-flagger and non-Arab. Just for your own sake.

Moderators (although I do not have any hope) should deal with your likes.

Oh boy here we go again arabs posting about how WHITE arabs are.

Good thing you are not president Erdogan.

 

[Shogun]

Oh boy here we go again arabs posting about how WHITE arabs are.

Why are you so aggressive. Is this forum made for constructive dialogue, or just infighting and quick zingers and comebacks?

 

[Surenas]

Arabs (people from modern-day KSA) ruled the Islamic Caliphate for 1000 years (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid and Fatimid) from the very beginning until it was stolen in 1517 by the Ottomans. During 95% of all the Islamic conquests and during the heights of the Islamic Golden Age and civilization on all fronts.

That is not true actually. Arabs ruled the Islamic caliphates up till the Umayyads, who then saw their power being questioned by non-Arabs (especially Persians). When the Abbasids eventually took over with Persian Shia revolt under the leadership of Abu Muslim Khorasani, the centre of power eventually shifted towards Persian bureaucrats in the empire, and eventually even predominantly Persian caliphs through intermarriage. The Arabs at most ruled the Middle East for circa 150 years.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

That is not true actually. Arabs ruled the Islamic caliphates up till the Umayyads, who then saw their power being questioned by non-Arabs (especially Persians). When the Abbasids eventually took over with Persian Shia revolt under the leadership of Abu Muslim Khorasani, the centre of power eventually shifted towards Persian bureaucrats in the empire, and eventually even predominantly Persian caliphs true intermarriage. The Arabs at most ruled the Middle East for circa 150 years.

LOL. Arabs ruled the Islamic Caliphate from the very beginning and for almost 1000 years in a row until 1517 (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid) and it was Arabic language, culture, architecture and bureaucracy that ruled supreme as well as Arab heartlands being the most wealthy areas of the Caliphate and most sophisticated aside from hosting the most holy sites.

Yeah yeah arabs invented this and that, all of that has been debunked on youtube, you pay actors to lie about arab civilisation and inventions when in reality all those inventions are western.

The only thing you can invent is eating with your hands.

Sure, well-established historical facts are well-established historical facts. You need to return to your yurt my Arabized and Islamized friend. Arab beauty is well-known. A single visit to Youtube will confirm it. As for hairiness, Turks top that category I am afraid.

Imitating you;





In return you can post photos of Afro-Arabs, I do not care the slightest.

Some average Qatari Arabs (notice the comments from women from all across the world):

 

[Surenas]

LOL. Arabs ruled the Islamic Caliphate from the very beginning and for almost 1000 years in a row until 1517 (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid) and it was Arabic language, culture, architecture and bureaucracy that ruled supreme as well as Arab heartlands being the most wealthy areas of the Caliphate and most sophisticated aside from hosting the most holy sites.

You perhaps can fool a bunch of members with no in-depth knowledge of the region, but not me as a Middle East historian.

Arab leadership crumbled after the fall of the Umayyads, who were toppled due to a revolt led by the Persian general Abu Muslim. The power during the Abbasid dynasty was then increasingly In the hands of Persians. This has been documented by nearly every historian. Moreover, the Fatimids only ruled a small part of the Middle East, and were later toppled by the Kurdish Abuyyids.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I will say what every Pakistani thinks and what Pakistan says on international stage but no one listens. That every muslim, arab or non arab, irani or saudi should put away their differences and unite for one common cause. And Im sure a vast majority of muslim commoners would love this. But it is in interest of our rulers to keep us divided.

@Saif al-Arab And if u say that u dont believe in ummah unity etc.
Then look at how christian and jewish world is united. They may not disclose it but they also believe in their ummah!!

PS
Salahuddin(who was a non arab) also tirelessly made efforts to achieve what I am suggesting. And called all arab states to unite but most were not willing to answer his calls. Some scholars were even giving rulings against doing jihad against crusaders.

To tell you the truth, the only time that the Muslim world has been truly powerful and forward-thinking was when it was ruled by Arabs. I do not need or want to ally with hostile non-Arabs who undermine the traditional role of Arabs or our history. Do want you want to. We have all the historical legitimacy, all the major historical personalities, the lingua franca of Islam and all the holy sites. That's the truth. Why should we deny that? You want your own show. Create it then.

You perhaps can fool a bunch of members with no in-depth knowledge of the region, but not me as a Middle East historian.

Arab leadership crumbled after the fall of the Umayyads, who were toppled due to a revolt led by the Persian general Abu Muslim. The power during the Abbasid dynasty was then increasingly In the hands of Persian. This has been documented by nearly every historian. Moreover, the Fatimids only ruled a small part of the Middle East, and were later toppled by the Kurdish Abuyyids.

The Abbasids were an Arab dynasty ruled by Arabs where Arabic language, culture, architecture, civilization and bureaucracy as well as scholars ruled supreme. All the heartlands of the Abbasid Empire were Arab. The capitals (Baghdad and Samara) was founded by Arabs as well.

Persian culture did not reemerge until the Safavids emerged. You are some kind of "Middle Eastern historian". Even to this day Arab culture is the supreme and most dominating (by far) single culture in not only the Middle East but entire Muslim world. Partially Arabized and Islamized people will pretend otherwise of course but we Arabs find it laughable and always will.

Just like pre-Islamic "Persian" "glory" which was built on stolen Semitic culture and civilization almost entirely.

 

[Surenas]

The Abbasids were an Arab dynasty ruled by Arabs where Arabic language, culture, architecture, civilization and bureaucracy as well as scholars ruled supreme. All the heartlands of the Abbasid Empire were Arab. The capitals (Baghdad and Samara) was founded by Arabs as well.

Persian culture did not emerge until the Safavids emerged. You are some kind of "Middle Eastern historian". Even to this day Arab culture is the supreme and most dominating (by far) single culture in not only the Middle East but entire Muslim world.

You keep repeating the same soundbites . The Abbasids ruled through predominanly Persian culture. The bureauracy of the empire was Persian, and has been documented by Arab historians at that time. Moreover, the Islamic Golden Age of science was dominated by mostly Persians. The capital of Baghdad was in fact founded by the Iranian empires. First the Parthians.

 

[Shogun]

That is not true actually. Arabs ruled the Islamic caliphates up till the Umayyads, who then saw their power being questioned by non-Arabs (especially Persians). When the Abbasids eventually took over with Persian Shia revolt under the leadership of Abu Muslim Khorasani, the centre of power eventually shifted towards Persian bureaucrats in the empire, and eventually even predominantly Persian caliphs through intermarriage. The Arabs at most ruled the Middle East for circa 150 years.

It was during the Abbasid Caliphate

You perhaps can fool a bunch of members with no in-depth knowledge of the region, but not me as a Middle East historian.

Arab leadership crumbled after the fall of the Umayyads, who were toppled due to a revolt led by the Persian general Abu Muslim. The power during the Abbasid dynasty was then increasingly In the hands of Persians. This has been documented by nearly every historian. Moreover, the Fatimids only ruled a small part of the Middle East, and were later toppled by the Kurdish Abuyyids.

Actually in our history books the Arabs still ruled during the Abbasid empire. It was Haroun Alrasheed who courted the Barkamids and raised them high and then his son after him, it was during Haroun's era that the divisions between the Arabs and the Ajam(mostly Persian) became volatile, but the Caliph was always an Abbasid from the lineage of Alabbas the prophet's uncle.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You keep repeating the same soundbites . The Abbasids ruled through predominanly Persian culture. The bureauracy of the empire was Persian, and has been documented by Arab historians at that time. Moreover, the Islamic Golden Age of science was dominated by mostly Persians. The capital of Baghdad was in fact founded by the Iranian empires. First the Parthians.

No, I am parroting well-established and hard-cold facts.

No, there was no "Persian culture" in sight. It's a oxymoron as pre-Islamic "Persian" culture was built on stolen Semitic culture and civilization almost entirely.

No, Arab scientists were more numerous but Arabized and Islamized Persian scientists were second to the Arabs but that had more to do with geography than anything. Not that there were many other options other than Arabs and Persians dominating. After all the Turks were largely still inhabiting the empty steppes of Central Asia. So not really much competition.

Baghdad was founded by Caliph Abu Jafar al-Mansur in 762. Before that in the vicinity of Baghdad there were a village dating back to Babylonian times.



"Persian" culture first reemerge under the Azeri/Kurdish/Arab (or whatever they claimed to be) Safavids who ironically could not have done what they did without the Arabs either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam

Arab Shia Ulama

After the conquest, Ismail began transforming the religious landscape of Iran by imposing Twelver Shiism on the populace. Since most of the population embraced Sunni Islam and since an educated version of Shiism was scarce in Iran at the time, Ismail imported a new Shia Ulama corps from traditional Shiite centers of the Arabic speaking lands, largely from Jabal Amil (of Southern Lebanon), Mount Lebanon, Syria, Eastern Arabia and Southern Iraq in order to create a state clergy.[37][38][39][40]Ismail offered them land and money in return for loyalty. These scholars taught the doctrine of Twelver Shiism and made it accessible to the population and energetically encouraged conversion to Shiism.[34][41][42][43] To emphasize how scarce Twelver Shiism was then to be found in Iran, a chronicler tells us that only one Shia text could be found in Ismail’s capital Tabriz.[44] Thus it is questionable whether Ismail and his followers could have succeeded in forcing a whole people to adopt a new faith without the support of the Arab Shiite scholars.[36] The rulers of Safavid Persia also invited these foreign Shiite religious scholars to their court in order to provide legitimacy for their own rule over Persia.[45]

Abbas I of Persia, during his reign, also imported more Arab Shia Ulama to Iran, built religious institutions for them, including many Madrasahs (religious schools) and successfully persuaded them to participate in the government, which they had shunned in the past (following the Hidden imam doctrine).[46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam#Arab_Shia_Ulama

And the most damaging scholar in Islamic history was an Arabized and Islamized Persian named Al-Ghazli. His works are one of the main reasons for the backwardness of the Muslim world.

 

[Surenas]

No, I am parroting well-established and hard-cold facts.

No, there was no "Persian culture" in sight. It's a oxymoron as pre-Islamic "Persian" culture was built on stolen Semitic culture and civilization almost entirely.

No, Arab scientists were more numerous but Arabized and Islamized Persian scientists were second to the Arabs but that had more to do with geography than anything. Not that there were many other options other than Arabs and Persians dominating. After all the Turks were largely still inhabiting the empty steppes of Central Asia. So not really much competition.

Baghdad was founded by Caliph Abu Jafar al-Mansur in 762. Before that in the vicinity of Baghdad there were a village dating back to Babylonian times.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

This thread is very telling.
About why muslims around the world are suffering today

 

[Shogun]

This thread is very telling.
About why muslims around the world are suffering today

I agree wholeheartedly brother.