Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

[faisal6309]

@Leviza

Israel helped you Pakistanis. don´t be so ungratefull and jelous.

I would love to know how.

 

[ANMDT]

retaliated by sending cruise missiles and fighters into Turkey,

Fools like you would do that, not the sane people

 

[500]

We have a short audio that proves nothing. Governments lie a lot, so it would not surprise me if it was fake. Suppose it was real, I could not even understand what was being said in that audio because the person's English and the static/backround noise was so terrible.

I heard well even from my mobile speaker.

In any case i find it ironic that you would even come into this conversation about standard procedures and such. Israel just like Turkey are the biggest violators when it comes to illegally entering foreign airspace.

Assadists set these rules when shot down the F-4.

Both missiles are very capable and have evolved over the years just like aircraft themselves evolve. Those missiles are very capable of shooting down any aircraft. The SU-30SM still uses the R-77 even if you found some pictures of T-73s.

Find me pics of R-77 in Latakia.

What a childish comment. Then the F-16 blk 60 is just an F-16 blk15 mod right?

Of course it is.

The SU-30SM has nothing in common to the SU-27 besides basic airframe and even then the SU-30's airframe is modified and has a weapons system operator. Radar, ECM, engines, ect are all different.

The SU-30SM just entered service recently, the F-16 blk52 is getting old. Even older SU-30s are superior to F-16blk 52s according to one US airmen.

Su-30SM is similar level to F-16 block 52. But Turks have AMRAAMs and Su-30 does not have R-77.

Anywayz this talk is useless, Russia cant shot Turkish warplanes coz that means goodbye to Bosporus.

 

[batmannow]

Troll please, you even do not know turkmens are part of fsa which fights against ISIS

& you don't know that's just a stupid prapoganda , by allied terrorists , against one common enemy called Asad govt ?

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

I don't think anyone with an ounce of sense was expecting a world war, which is what would happen if Russia invaded a NATO country like Turkey. The whole NATO pact hinges on collective defense of each other's territory. While it is arguable whether NATO would defend a Turkish plane downed in Syria, there is no question that NATO would be obliged to defend an invasion of Turkey.



The significant and major escalation that I see for now (and more may come in the future, it's only a bit over 24 hours since the shooting), consists of two things:

1. The Russians' stated intention of bringing in S-400 batteries into Syria and the relocation of the Russian missile destroyer off the Latakia coast.
   
   
2. The Russians' stated intention of providing a fighter escort for each bomber in Syria from now on.
   

Let's get the second one over quickly since it's simple. With planes from Syria, Russia and NATO now flying over Syria, it increases the risk of bad stuff happening. Someone could get trigger happy, someone could get nervous. A plane has now been downed and every pilot flying over this region will be nervous from now on.

And now the real big problem, namely the S-400. With a 400 km range, this covers almost all of Syrian airspace, a good third of Turkey, all of Lebanon, parts of Jordan and Iraq, and northern Israel. While we can argue about the exact capabilities of the S-400, pretty much everyone acknowledges that it could make it very very dangerous for the air forces of all those countries if it was used against them.

In fact, Israel has been bargaining hard with Russia to keep the S-400 out of Syria. Not so much because Israel cares about Syria, but because an S-400 battery in Syria covers all of Lebanese airspace, which Israel considers its own. If there was an S-400 battery in the wrong hands, it would be a serious danger to Israeli warplanes over Lebanon.

This incident has given Russia a solid excuse to bring in the S-400. While it will be in Russian hands and not Syrian hands, it creates a bunch of problems down the line. Russia could easily train Syrian military on its use, working side by side with them. Russia could hand it over to the Syrians if and when it leaves, or simply if it's angry at the west. It could deliberately "lose" the equipment to some friendly rebels, since there are so many in the area.

This has raised the stakes in Syria. What can Israel do? Bomb Russian planes or ships carrying the S-400 to Syria? That would be a shitshow. Put pressure on the US to get tougher with Russia? That's escalation too, and gives the Russians more excuse to dig in.

I see nothing good has come from this. Losing a plane and a couple of pilots isn't a huge loss for Russia. It hasn't produced the outcome the Turks hoped for, which was to prevent Russia from bombing Turkmen at the border. In fact, Russia doubled down on those bombings since their plane was shot down, and I doubt many Turkmen villages will survive the bombings to come.

Meanwhile, it has given Russia excuse to bring in sophisticated weapons into Syria, some of which were the subject of intense debate as late as last week. Now the debate is irrelevant, because Russia can justly claim it needs to bring them in to protect its assets.

So while I can understand Turkey's anger at the violation of their air space, I think their response is only going to make things worse for Turkey, worse for Syria, worse for NATO objectives in Syria, worse for NATO's "good rebels" in Syria. And it's made the situation more fragile, bringing the trigger closer.

 

[ptldM3]

I heard well even from my mobile speaker.

Your're full of it, i am inclined to beleive you havn't even listed to the audio because it is indistinguishable. I was reading an article and native English speakers commented that they did not understand what was being said in the audio, one person said they had to listen to it 3 times.

Assadists set these rules when shot down F-4.

Assadists? Come up with something original. As for setting rules, Turkish aircraft can expect to be blown out of the sky next time they violate Syrian airspace. Hopefully the Greeks will shoot down another Turkish F-16. It's very obvious why Turkey shot the aircraft down. Turkey is the one that buys cheap ISIS oil and just days before the shoot down Russia destroyed 525 ISIS fuel trucks as well as oil refineries, this had Turkey in a rage threatening Russia, not to mention Russia has been pounding other Turkish creations such as the FSA.


As for the "rules of engagement". Turkey breached UN charter by downing the aircraft. Those are not my words but the words of a retired US Air Force Major General. He also called the murder of the Russian pilot a war crime (which it is under the Geneva convention). But of course those "moderates" seem to get away with anything including what appears to be either desecrating the dead pilots corpse by beating him or beating him to death while he was injured. His face was bruised, cut and swollen.



http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...kish-shootdown

Find me pics of R-77 in Latakia.

I don't need to find anything, the R-77 is a common air-to-air missile in the Russian Air Force. The R-73 is just as lethal to an F-16 as an R-77, in fact the R-73 has some advantages over the R-77. At first people were claiming that Russia was only using 'dumb bombs' until pictures appeared of laser and satellite guided bombs, many people including experts were also unaware that Russian cruise missiles fired in Syria had such long ranges. Point is you having a few pictures or not having a few pictures proves nothing.

Of course it is.

You are hopeless.

Su-30SM is similar level to F-16 block 52. But Turks have AMRAAMs and Su-30 does not have R-77.

Firstly


Secondly no, it's not. The F-16 Block 52 dates back to 1991. Every year computers/microprocessors are superseding each other. My smart phone has more computing power than any full size computer from the 1990s. The F-16 is outclassed by the SU-30 in almost every way. Some F-16 Block 52 have some upgrades but many block 52s are very much dated. Many F-16s are using 1980s computers, the SU-30SM, on the other hand is basically fresh from the factory.

 

[BordoEnes]

Erdogan response to Putin's barking:
1. We dont buy oil from Daesh, give proof or stfu
2. We will keep shooting down your fighters jets if you violate our airspace

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan'dan Putin'e petrol yanıtı

 

[madmusti]

5 Turkish Weapons of War Russia Should Fear | The National Interest Blog


Our F4 Phantom Pilots ejected and was alive until we come they was dead, How ?

 

[farag]

While russia is killing your turkmans and turkish truck drivers, have fun drawing cartoons.

5 Turkish Weapons of War Russia Should Fear | The National Interest Blog


Our F4 Phantom Pilots ejected and was alive until we come they was dead, How ?

So ada class frigate or the old german subs are sources of fear now

 

[Ceylal]

You are missing something.The explanation of Goverment and army at the beginning was about an unknown plane.Oh there is nothing about oil tankers. Those planes were bombing turkmens more and more than ISIS.Russia bombed 2-3 times ISIS then continued its real purpose for helping Assad forces.And yes those planes were threat for turkey according to ROE and even 1 month ago, russians entered turkish border and locked radar on our f16s.Turkey said this will not tolerated.Then they entered with UAV and we shot it down.Stop having bias and being ignorant.As you see in the map, Russia is not here for ISIS.

I understand your position and the position of Turkey , , but the facts show otherwise, even NATO are not willing to come openly and support the case presented by Turkey. From all the indications, Russians didn't see Turkey as a threat to their aircraft , otherwise they would have had their bomber escorted, like they are doing now. I am in the believe that the Russian will get even and will reply in kind to Turkey's action.

 

[NUCLEAR_WINTER]

 

[UniverseWatcher]

Turkish newspaper editor in court for 'espionage' after revealing weapon convoy to Syrian militants

A Turkish prosecutor asked a court to imprison the editor-in-chief of Cumhuriyet newspaper pending trial for espionage and treason. In May, the outlet published photos of weapons it said were then transferred to Syria by Turkey’s intelligence agency.
Besides the editor, Can Dündar, the prosecution said it is seeking the same pre-trial restrictions for Cumhuriyet’s representative in Ankara, Erdem Gül.

Dündar arrived at an Istanbul court on Thursday, saying that he and his colleague “came here to defend journalism.”

“We came here to defend the right of the public to obtain the news and their right to know if their government is feeding them lies. We came here to show and to prove that governments cannot engage in illegal activity and defend this,” Dündar was cited by Today’s Zaman.

The articles, published on Cumhuriyet's front page in May, claimed that Turkey’s National Intelligence Organization (MİT) is smuggling weapons in trucks into Syria and was caught doing so twice in 2014. The trucks were allegedly stopped and searched by police, with photos and videos of their contents obtained by Cumhuriyet.

The arms were reportedly delivered to extremist groups fighting against the Syrian government of President Bashar Assad, whom Ankara wants ousted from power.

The Turkish authorities denied the allegations, saying that the trucks were carrying aid to Syrian ethnic Turkmen tribespeople and labeled their interception an act of “treason” and “espionage.”

 

[tugberksamur]

Your're full of it, i am inclined to beleive you havn't even listed to the audio because it is indistinguishable. I was reading an article and native English speakers commented that they did not understand what was being said in the audio, one person said they had to listen to it 3 times.







Assadists? Come up with something original. As for setting rules, Turkish aircraft can expect to be blown out of the sky next time they violate Syrian airspace. Hopefully the Greeks will shoot down another Turkish F-16. It's very obvious why Turkey shot the aircraft down. Turkey is the one that buys cheap ISIS oil and just days before the shoot down Russia destroyed 525 ISIS fuel trucks as well as oil refineries, this had Turkey in a rage threatening Russia, not to mention Russia has been pounding other Turkish creations such as the FSA.


As for the "rules of engagement". Turkey breached UN charter by downing the aircraft. Those are not my words but the words of a retired US Air Force Major General. He also called the murder of the Russian pilot a war crime (which it is under the Geneva convention). But of course those "moderates" seem to get away with anything including what appears to be either desecrating the dead pilots corpse by beating him or beating him to death while he was injured. His face was bruised, cut








I don't need to find anything, the R-77 is a common air-to-air missile in the Russian Air Force. The R-73 is just as lethal to an F-16 as an R-77, in fact the R-73 has some advantages over the R-77. At first people were claiming that Russia was only using 'dumb bombs' until pictures appeared of laser and satellite guided bombs, many people including experts were also unaware that Russian cruise missiles fired in Syria had such long ranges. Point is you having a few pictures or not having a few pictures proves nothing.











You are hopeless.










Firstly


Secondly no, it's not. The F-16 Block 52 dates back to 1991. Every year computers/microprocessors are superseding each other. My smart phone has more computing power than any full size computer from the 1990s. The F-16 is outclassed by the SU-30 in almost every way. Some F-16 Block 52 have some upgrades but many block 52s are very much dated. Many F-16s are using 1980s computers, the SU-30SM, on the other hand is basically fresh from the factory.

You have an understanding problem u got nothing from over 100 pages...

 

[500]

Your're full of it, i am inclined to beleive you havn't even listed to the audio because it is indistinguishable. I was reading an article and native English speakers commented that they did not understand what was being said in the audio, one person said they had to listen to it 3 times.

Thats their problem.

Assadists? Come up with something original. As for setting rules, Turkish aircraft can expect to be blown out of the sky next time they violate Syrian airspace. Hopefully the Greeks will shoot down another Turkish F-16. It's very obvious why Turkey shot the aircraft down. Turkey is the one that buys cheap ISIS oil and just days before the shoot down Russia destroyed 525 ISIS fuel trucks as well as oil refineries, this had Turkey in a rage threatening Russia, not to mention Russia has been pounding other Turkish creations such as the FSA.

In 2012 Assadists shot down Turkish F-4 which very briefly (if at all) passed over Syrian territorial waters. So THEY set these rules, now they pay.

As for the "rules of engagement". Turkey breached UN charter by downing the aircraft. Those are not my words but the words of a retired US Air Force Major General. He also called the murder of the Russian pilot a war crime (which it is under the Geneva convention). But of course those "moderates" seem to get away with anything including what appears to be either desecrating the dead pilots corpse by beating him or beating him to death while he was injured. His face was bruised, cut and swollen.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...kish-shootdown

These are thousands of retired generals in US. Who cares. I repeat its Assadists themselves who set these rules.

I don't need to find anything

You cant, because there are not R-77 on Su-30 in Latakia.

, the R-77 is a common air-to-air missile in the Russian Air Force.

No its not.

Secondly no, it's not. The F-16 Block 52 dates back to 1991. Every year computers/microprocessors are superseding each other. My smart phone has more computing power than any full size computer from the 1990s. The F-16 is outclassed by the SU-30 in almost every way. Some F-16 Block 52 have some upgrades but many block 52s are very much dated. Many F-16s are using 1980s computers, the SU-30SM, on the other hand is basically fresh from the factory.

Russia still cant copy LANTIRN from 1980-es. So I was optimistic when compared Su-30 to F-16 block-52.

 

[fox 2]

@ptldM3 You listened just a AUDIO TAPE who have some parasites. I listened shorter and clear version that our guy speaking very well english with clear voice. Even Netharland official and passanger planes said we heard it. NATO USA said we heard it. So nobody take care of your stupid lies like talking the other pilot. Of course he will say '' oo we don't do nothing, we heard nothing''.

Yeah anyway it's my father who crossed border two times and apologized last month !!!!!!!!!!